Your grade please on these Barber .25 (cleaned)

pnylvr

I know the cleaning on these is quite harsh, but would like your opinion on the two of them. The 1913 is horizonal and the 1913-d in vertically pictured. What would they grade if not cleaned? Should I send them to ANACS? Paid about 70.00 for both.




Upon further review, I do not think the 1913-P is cleaned. Thanks to sir mfh and others for getting me to look closer.

SirAnthonyAC

Hello,

Both are in very fine condition, based on the barbercoins.org grading system



<< <i>Very Fine (VF 20). All of the letters of LIBERTY will be easily visible. Still more detail in laurel wreath. On many dates, the band under LIBERTY (see arrow) will be complete on VF30 coins (VF-EF). On the back, most of the feathers will be visible. >>



The band under "liberty" needs to be compelet for EF and fine has all letters visable but parts of the letters can't be seen, yours has all letters and almost a full band so.......... I'm guessing very fine.

Barber grading page

The wear on yours, apart from the the cleaning scratchs on the reverse, looks like Barbercoins.org's very fine

originalisbest

I've seen worse in PCGS slabs BUT these wouldn't get in, as they're fairly common - actually I wouldn't bother slabbing either. Why would you want to?

StrikeOutXXX

I agree, they are both VF details.

Not cleaned, you're looking at roughly about $150 (P) & $50 (D) for them. If we split your $70 you paid as $50 & $20, then add about $15 each for grading and shipping to ANACS, you're in them at $65/$35 - which would be optimistic to get that back out of them as-is anyhow. I think they'd look real nice in an album though

SirAnthonyAC

Concerning the cleaning... I can plainly see the scratch marks on the reverse of the second coin in the fields and the color is very flat and consistent (clearly cleaned) but... what tips you off to the first coin being cleaned?

I do not see any scratch marks (a few surface marks on the ob but, that could be circulation) , the coin appears to be naturally toned, I don't see dirt in the letters, the coin doesn't look scrubbed or dipped, the toning is not one dark or one grey color and the coin does have a gradual toning... what's makes the first one cleaned for sure?

pnylvr

It seems that there are some light scratch marks below the eagles feathers in the 1913.

MFH

The 1913-P quarter almost makes XF 40 - its very close - but its closer to VF 35 in details.
The cleaning isn't too bad, as there are just a few hairlines on the portrait. The reverse
seems to be okay and whatever wispy marks there are on the eagle could normally be
called circulation marks.

The other 1913 - I imagine that's a " D " we're seeing and not an " S " ...
also has its problems but it has VF 30 - maybe VF 35 details - borderline grade.
You did mention its a D - and yes, its been scrubbed.
Pity, otherwise a nice collector grade coin.

You paid $70.00 for both ? Then I think you did better than "okay" ,
especially on the 13-P that otherwise would be a $300 coin if it were original
and not tampered with.

originalisbest

Neither coin has been cleaned harshly, and you could make a case that the first one hasn't been cleaned at all; those are just typical hairlines. As I said, I've seen much worse in various TPG holders. One example that comes to mind was an AU-50 1895-O PCGS that was harshly scrubbed white on both sides.

Anyway, as it is, neither of these are worthwhile slabbing candidates, unless you're fond of spending your money for no good reason. In which case go for it.

TomB

Both are in the VF grade range. However, I'm not certain that certification will help their liquidity or price level, so you might simply consider leaving them raw.

pnylvr

I don't think the 1913-P is cleaned after a second more careful examination.

Barberman55

I don't think the 1913-P is cleaned either......the toning looks nice and original, with just a few wispy hairlines across the portrait, due to circulation. The 1913-P is a better date, lower mintage Barber quarter, and probably worth the grading fees for a strong VF coin. The 1913-D on the other hand, is a common date, looks cleaned, and hence......not worth the grading fees for either a bodybag or a net grade.