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Rainbow target toned frankie. NT or AT? GRADE BACK FROM ANACS
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What say you.- Well ANACS graded net 60 AT
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Either way, it's pretty cool!
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Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
It's a good job, too perfect and uniform as mentioned but they've got the spectrum down correctly.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
<< <i>At first glance it looks NT, but I'm inclined to say AT >>
Oh, I'd bet a fair amount that it's AT. I know I can create the same in about 3-4 weeks. I'd guess you might say that's accelerated toning as it can't be done in just one quick job. It does take a little while to get those colors right and to blend as NT. It would pass as NT most anywhere unless you've either done it or seen it done. It's just too perfect. Now if they had continued the process a bit longer, it wouldn't be as uniform and perfect and no one would know. But then, some folks like them like that. It will fetch a pretty nice premium as it is.
Target infers uniform rings and that's just what we've got here.
Now nickels, OTOH, those can be done in just a few minutes. Different metal, different methods and you won't get a target as a rule. Target on a nickel takes quite a bit longer than on a silver coin. Even the War Nicks aren't easy to AT, not enough silver there.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
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<< <i>At first glance it looks NT, but I'm inclined to say AT >>
Oh, I'd bet a fair amount that it's AT. I know I can create the same in about 3-4 weeks. I'd guess you might say that's accelerated toning as it can't be done in just one quick job. It does take a little while to get those colors right and to blend as NT. It would pass as NT most anywhere unless you've either done it or seen it done. It's just too perfect. Now if they had continued the process a bit longer, it wouldn't be as uniform and perfect and no one would know. But then, some folks like them like that. It will fetch a pretty nice premium as it is.
Target infers uniform rings and that's just what we've got here.
Now nickels, OTOH, those can be done in just a few minutes. Different metal, different methods and you won't get a target as a rule. Target on a nickel takes quite a bit longer than on a silver coin. Even the War Nicks aren't easy to AT, not enough silver there. >>
Have you sent your AT's into be graded?
True NT, the lower part of the Bell, at the very least, would have picked up some of the colorization. The gold is a residue of the process of the AT work. The outer ring began as gold before it picked up the colors. Had they just given it some more time, I couldn't have been sure.
It's a good job for certain. Something I wouldn't sell had I done it. Nor would I buy it if that was part of the OP's intent with the thread starter.
There's a chance it may turn in the next 18 months or less. By turn, I mean if it wasn't neutralized, it will begin to turn dark and eventually nearly black.
I have what was a 65 or so 40's Mercury that once was a gorgeous red, blue and purple inside to out. It was intentionally not neutralized. It slabbed as a 66 by one of the top two tier companies, but is now, after 2 years, almost totally black. Just an experiment to see what would happen.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
<< <i>Have you sent your AT's into be graded? >>
A few. I gave up this stuff a couple of years ago.
Yes, they've all slabbed. Never a BB yet. I have a gold/yellow, purple and blue Peace Dollar and I've never seen anything even approaching it before anywhere else. It resides in a top company slab as a 64. No names here, but you are familiar with them, I'm sure.
I posted awhile back about vaporization and uniformity of spraying certain elements to get this effect. I've since dismantled the equipment and nobody needs to PM me as I'm not going to tell how it's done.
The point I'm making is that if I have figured it out, so have others and several are making a killing on them on he Bay as well as coin shows.
Fortunately, it's a small percentage. It isn't an easy process. Takes and education along with equipment and if you don't really know what you're trying to achieve, you're going to end up with blatant AT as 99% of these jokers have done. It's the really good ones that aren't even suspected of it.
Just in case you're wondering, I've never sold on the Bay or any at coin shows. I've shown a few off as AT work and had offers for them even with the knowledge that they are AT, but I've never sold one because I have no idea what someone else may do with it later on.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
Very eye-catching for sure!
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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good looking coin
When the toning and colors flows over high and low spots evenly it raises a red flag in my book
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<< <i>Have you sent your AT's into be graded? >>
A few. I gave up this stuff a couple of years ago.
Yes, they've all slabbed. Never a BB yet. I have a gold/yellow, purple and blue Peace Dollar and I've never seen anything even approaching it before anywhere else. It resides in a top company slab as a 64. No names here, but you are familiar with them, I'm sure.
I posted awhile back about vaporization and uniformity of spraying certain elements to get this effect. I've since dismantled the equipment and nobody needs to PM me as I'm not going to tell how it's done.
The point I'm making is that if I have figured it out, so have others and several are making a killing on them on he Bay as well as coin shows.
Fortunately, it's a small percentage. It isn't an easy process. Takes and education along with equipment and if you don't really know what you're trying to achieve, you're going to end up with blatant AT as 99% of these jokers have done. It's the really good ones that aren't even suspected of it.
Just in case you're wondering, I've never sold on the Bay or any at coin shows. I've shown a few off as AT work and had offers for them even with the knowledge that they are AT, but I've never sold one because I have no idea what someone else may do with it later on. >>
Amazing. Meaning, not a single response to this. This forum's interest in AT is obviously a mile wide, and a micron deep. No one really cares, just something to mouth off about. Else that post would have started a discussion rivaling the AT vs NT flame wars, and justifiably so. So let's just stop pretending it's a major issue here.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Who cares?
It's a relatively common coin with a low value.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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<< <i>No. if the coin was/is genuine and 65 or better, it would have significant value to a real Frankie collector. >>
I stand corrected.
I knew it would happen.
I am going to say NT. It looks like it has that lined or linear toning from the mint set packaging under that rainbow tone
Yes there are lines across it like what you see from the mint sets.
I picked it up for $8 because I liked it and I really coudn't tell if it is AT or NT. I was leaning towards AT but I would be interested to see if it will holder now
<< <i>I am going to say NT. It looks like it has that lined or linear toning from the mint set packaging under that rainbow tone
Yes there are lines across it like what you see from the mint sets.
I picked it up for $8 because I liked it and I really coudn't tell if it is AT or NT. I was leaning towards AT but I would be interested to see if it will holder now >>
You know my opinion on this coin, but for $8, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I would not be at all surprised if it holdered given some of the Frankies that both NGC and PCGS have holdered.
As to the linear toning, I have heard tell that that can come out when ANY sort of toning occurs to a '60, AT or NT. Basically consider it like a supersaturated solution just waiting to let go.
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<< <i>As to the linear toning, I have heard tell that that can come out when ANY sort of toning occurs to a '60, AT or NT. >>
I'll second that. All the lines mean in this case is that it is a genuine 60-p.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
It is interesting how when someone says AT, many others say AT as well, and then when the tide shifts more say NT...
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Ditto........seen this exact look on doctored coins many times at shows and on Ebay but it tends to fool most folks.....
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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fake , fake .....- FAKE
<< <i>Amazing. Meaning, not a single response to this. >>
A lot of people don't read the subsequent posts and just chime in with their own opinion.
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<< <i>Amazing. Meaning, not a single response to this. >>
A lot of people don't read the subsequent posts and just chime in with their own opinion. >>
Yes, it's a good point. And don't get me wrong, I am not criticizing him. If I was going to do that, I would be quite clear about it. I actually applaud his openness. Been waiitng for that for a long time here. It's just that the non-response by so many who seem to live and die for AT vs NT threads, and the evil of the coin doctors, is stunning. To be consistent, they would have had something, anything to say. You know? Since they still haven't, we should drop the pretense.
I mean, pages upon pages of threads flaming Pat over and over again, yet not a peep for someone who claims he can and has done the ATing himself? Again, I think he done good "coming out" like that.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>I mean, pages upon pages of threads flaming Pat over and over again, yet not a peep for someone who claims he can and has done the ATing himself? Again, I think he done good "coming out" like that. >>
He did say that, "Just in case you're wondering, I've never sold on the Bay or any at coin shows. I've shown a few off as AT work and had offers for them even with the knowledge that they are AT, but I've never sold one because I have no idea what someone else may do with it later on."
Given that he was good enough to come out, I am willing to take him at his word on it. It is the knowing selling of an AT coin as NT that bothers me. I don't have a problem with someone playing around to see what they can make a coin look like.
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
But this one looked wrong from the instant I saw it, and I guess for the reasons that Mike states. That some think it could possibly be NT simply mystifies me.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
<< <i>What I find incredulous are people with obvious AT coins as their icons claiming they can tell the difference. >>
Who might you be referring too....inquiring minds want to know
Honestly your credibility with that statement took a hit since you proclaimed the coin NT in the post above
<< <i>What I find incredulous are people with obvious AT coins as their icons claiming they can tell the difference. >>
The coins might be NT but I think some of these images have been juiced
He's a moron. And completely misses the irony again. Someone who can make 2doors' coin has said so, yet not a word about that. Just throws out a slander that proves his ignorance of AT vs NT. Typical, tho.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."