86 topps ryan psa 10

ldferg

well, it's listed: 180163841550


86 ryan

edited to show the back:

frankhardy

Here's the link - 1986 Topps Nolan Ryan PSA 10

I am going to guess $3,000 on this one.

Clemaz

I am going to guess it goes for $7,345

ldferg

at least 3k if not 5k

ldferg

may be tough to outbid alveoli.

Lothar52

wtf!!!!

Rogermnj

This card is going to hit 5k for sure...

Having said that, anyone who pays 5k for this card needs to have their head examined.

People waited YEARS for this card to show up, so why not wait another 18months when it is a pop25 and get it for $300.

There are thousands of unopened cases of this product left over that will be cracked in the next year or two..(especially after people see what this card sells for)

Having said that, when 5k means nothing or is like $5.00 to us then I guess its no big deal for someone to buy it if it makes them happy.

This final sale price will have a little footnote in the SMR that we will all look back on and laugh at..

A PSA 10 Nolan Ryan Sold (pop1 at the time) sold for $6100 in OCT 2007.

mosaic

This is great news!

I hope it sells for $10,000. Such a big ticket sale will encourage more people to bust cases and to submit in the hopes of getting another 10. It'll take a while, but eventually there will be 2... and 3... and 4... woo!

colebear

$4-5k.

ldferg

i've got a few sitting at psa now. however, 8s and 9s are normally what i yield. i did net a psa 10 gwynn.

mikeschmidt

Geez -- if it sells for that much, I'll be really surprised. I ought to list my 1973 Carlton/Ryan PSA 10 Leaders card, as I don't believe that any have been on the public market in over 5 years.

Marc

ldferg

marc,
now may be a good time for the ryan to come out of hiding. maybe list it with a high BIN and see what kind of interest you get.

TheThrill

Right, Right, Right and Right!

Leiascards

There may be a bunch of this product unopened, but how many 10 Ryans are out there. The centering on the card along with the black borders makes this card harder to find in a 10 than you would think. I predict 6500.00

TheThrill

Honestly, any card in the 80's except 89 Upper Deck is "tough" in PSA 10 or BGS 9.5. The point is that 1986 Topps is for the most part is one of the most unpopular wax boxes out there from the 80's. Traded set is another story. I think that the use of 1 of 1 is sometimes overused and overated. Spending $5000 on a card from a set that is used for starting fireplaces in some states is pretty nuts! I remember the first 1987 Topps BGS 10 selling for $20,000 I beleive. Now that every collector/investor in town submitted them in huge lots, nobody really cares. 86 Topps Tiffany Bonds cant even sell at $600 buy it now. I guess if you can afford to spend $5000 or so on a 86 Topps, knock yourself out! I would rather buy 12 1982 Topps Ripken Rookies!

jmbkb4

<< <i>There may be a bunch of this product unopened, but how many 10 Ryans are out there. The centering on the card along with the black borders makes this card harder to find in a 10 than you would think. I predict 6500.00 >>



If only a small portion of the Ryans out there can grade PSA 10, that is still a LOT of Ryan 10s. Time will tell.

jamesryanbell

$3,265

Stingray

$2,850 will be the final winning bid.

nccardcollector

I am going to check my 86 topps set now!

frankhardy

It's already at $1,746.00.

ldferg

if 4sc couldn't net a 10 yet, it's got to be a tough card. i suspect you will see the pop report grow tremendously for this card after this sell. i will be submitting a few more.

the 81 topps was similar in this fashion and now you can get those for around $500+/-.

Morgoth

Were not talking a few thousand unopened Ryans sitting out there were talking millions. Anyone spending that amount of money on this card just doesn't like money. I guess I look at this grading stuff as verification of condition and no altering. Spending thousands of dollars for a card that out of the holder is less than 1$ is pretty silly, spending 20K for a Mantle that out of the holder is 15K is a better return on investment.

frankhardy

I am not being confrontational, but do you really think that there are millions unopened? I would not have thought that there would be that many still unopened.

Leiascards

I seriously doubt there are millions out there. I think there was an artilcel once where Topps said the estimated print runs of most of Topps cards from the late 80s was around 750K. As of right now there have been 389 submitted and only one 10. Compare that to the Clemens from the same set where 614 have been submitted and only 19 are 10s you see a huge percentage difference. I don't doubt there are a few more out there, but I would be shocked if there were more than 10 total 10s still out there.

1986 was the year many kids started buying baseball cards in great numbers it was also the year the card rush of the late 80s started so I don't think there is as much unopened product as many think.

bifff257

<< <i>I am not being confrontational, but do you really think that there are millions unopened >>




I have no clue how much unopened product is out there, All I do know is that I just bought a wax box for $13.00 from the BBCE.

mj23kg21

<< <i>I seriously doubt there are millions out there. I think there was an artilcel once where Topps said the estimated print runs of most of Topps cards from the late 80s was around 750K. As of right now there have been 389 submitted and only one 10. Compare that to the Clemens from the same set where 614 have been submitted and only 19 are 10s you see a huge percentage difference. I don't doubt there are a few more out there, but I would be shocked if there were more than 10 total 10s still out there. >>



I can about guarantee there is closer to 7.5 million of each card from the late 80s rather than 750k. I know in 1987 I had 50 vending cases which was around 750 sets and I was a pretty small dealer. I would guess there are still millions of each card sitting in unopened cases from 1986.

Salinas

$5475

cardbender

$2 card, $5000 for the plastic slab. Unreal.

Good luck to the seller, I hope he makes a mint.

To the buyer, good luck with your wise investment/purchase.

frankhardy

I don't think it will be an investment purchase. I think that there are many, many Nolan Ryan collectors out there and they want to get every card they can and in the highest grade that they can. I think that's why it will go high.

jmbkb4

anyone who buys this card will be buying it for pure enjoyment and not an investment.

and, for that reason, the buyer will be happy with the purchase.

gemint

If it sells for $5k, you could submit 1,000 '86 Ryans under the $5 special for the same cost. That's almost 3x the total population of the card to date. I'm willing to bet there'd be more than one PSA 10 in that group. Plus you'd get a ton of 9s. A tiny sliver of the overall production of the card has been submitted to date. So even a PSA 10 of this black bordered card isn't rare. It's just not worth submitting.

jmbkb4

<< <i>So even a PSA 10 of this black bordered card isn't rare. It's just not worth submitting. >>



Define "worth submitting" please. I'll bet the closing price will change your mind.

gemint

<< <i>

<< <i>So even a PSA 10 of this black bordered card isn't rare. It's just not worth submitting. >>



Define "worth submitting" please. I'll bet the closing price will change your mind. >>



Well, if a PSA 9 goes for $10, then it really isn't worth submitting unless it's for someone's personal collection. Typically a large volume submitter isn't going to be sending those in. Sure, maybe they'll send in a few to see if they can hit a 10 but they're not going to actively go through stacks of vending lots and sending in dozens of them.

It will be interesting to see how much the next one sells for, particularly if another is graded and sold within the next few months. There are probably only a few diehard Nolan Ryan collectors who would spend thousands more to get the minute incremental improvement between a modern PSA 9 and modern PSA 10. Perhaps a good investment would be to buy a solid PSA 9 and keep cracking and resubmitting until it gets a 10.

BobaFett72

"Perhaps a good investment would be to buy a solid PSA 9 and keep cracking and resubmitting until it gets a 10."

exactly.. keep submitting until you get someone who is cross-eyed.. then you get your perfect 10

'cause if its not a 10 the first 25 times you submit it, what magically changes on the 26th try?

This whole thread has inspired me to buy topps rack case, circa 1986. Ill let you know when it arrives!

gemint

<< <i>"Perhaps a good investment would be to buy a solid PSA 9 and keep cracking and resubmitting until it gets a 10."

exactly.. keep submitting until you get someone who is cross-eyed.. then you get your perfect 10

'cause if its not a 10 the first 25 times you submit it, what magically changes on the 26th try?

This whole thread has inspired me to buy topps rack case, circa 1986. Ill let you know when it arrives! >>



It might not even take that many attempts. My 1989 UD Griffey bumped from an 8 to a 10 on the first try. I actually thought it was a 9 when I originally submitted it and it came back an 8.

bifff257

<< <i>who would spend thousands more to get the minute incremental improvement between a modern PSA 9 and modern PSA 10 >>




I personally can't tell the difference between a PSA 9 and a PSA 10 in most cases...

Leiascards

I agree most of the times it is very subtle. On the 86s it is usually a small chip on the black part that is only visible under 10X magnigication.

I would imagine there is going to be an increase in the price of unopened 86 cards in the next few weeks. Might not be much, but I bet there will be one.

Everyone said when that PSA 10 Finest Ryan went for over 2K that there would be a rush of those cards getting graded so far it has not happened. I think there have been 25 graded since and NO 10s.

Stingray

<< <i>

<< <i>who would spend thousands more to get the minute incremental improvement between a modern PSA 9 and modern PSA 10 >>




I personally can't tell the difference between a PSA 9 and a PSA 10 in most cases... >>




I guess it is a case of buying the holder and not the card!?

bifff257

<< <i>I guess it is a case of buying the holder and not the card!? >>




No question about that, The PSA registry has done amazing things to prices.

frankhardy

Well, I think it's going to blow my price away. It's already at $2,019.85.

zef204

Wow. What a tough freaking card!

Anyone who has opened a decent amount of 86 T knows not only how tough 10's are, but how terribly centered the Ryan usually is. There will likely be more surfacing, but I would be willing to bet that over the next 5 years the pop doesn't even rise to 25, and may stay under 10. It is that tough a card to find centered.

Stone193

Wish we had a better scan - great card!

I like the 86s - you could open like a ton of boxes and not find a card like this.

mike

zef204

There are still no 10's of these:





As you can see, centering is tough on the OPC issue as well.

gemint

<< <i>

<< <i>I guess it is a case of buying the holder and not the card!? >>




No question about that, The PSA registry has done amazing things to prices. >>



No kidding! Who would have conceived 10 years ago that someone would pay $2k+ for a 1986 Topps card? Without the set registry, that's a $100 card max. It really does show what marketing can do. Crack that out of the holder and crack out a solid 9 and hand them to any collector (even let them loupe them) and nobody would pay $2k more for one card vs the other.

RemynSkyler

<< <i>Wow. What a tough freaking card!

Anyone who has opened a decent amount of 86 T knows not only how tough 10's are, but how terribly centered the Ryan usually is. There will likely be more surfacing, but I would be willing to bet that over the next 5 years the pop doesn't even rise to 25, and may stay under 10. It is that tough a card to find centered. >>



PD on his uniform is just as commom as being off centered.

jmbkb4

a gorgeous card.

PasadenaMudSlide

From the scan, card does appear perfect and worthy of the lofty grade.

ArnyVee

Nearly $2100 now and I agree that it's a beautiful looking card. Worth $2K? Hmm...not sure. But, obviously several folks think it is.

ldferg

i think this is the tiffany version mislabeled....good gosh what if that was the case...

ArnyVee

<< <i>i think this is the tiffany version mislabeled....good gosh what if that was the case... >>



Oh my! The colors do look very bright for that card....sheesh...

grote15

Considering that there are 18 PSA 10 Tiffany Ryans, well, I'd say the high bidder would be awfully pissed!