Did you know that George Washington thought Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were dangerous radicals? GW was originally a loyalist but switched sides when the Governor of Virginia revoked his "already-revoked land grants" in the Ohio Valley Indian country? The land grants had already been revoked by George III but GW still held on to them with the hopes that the Indian treaty would be revoked one day as many people thought at the time. It was the act of revoking his already-revoked land grants that convinced GW that the crown had too much power and led him to joining the fledgling country.
While Americans broke many of the treaties they signed with the Indians, the one thing that Indians did that the settlers could not abide by was the Indian tradition of converting captured women and children to their tribe. That was a practice that Americans could never forget or forgive.
Since this year is the 400th anniversary of Jamestown, let's not forget Chief Opechancanough who led the Massacre of 1622 that killed 347 Jamestown settlers (men, women and children) with many more prisoners on the morning of Good Friday. Relations were strained from very early years.
I wonder if Opechancanough will get honored on a coin? Is he the one on this year's Jamestown coins?
<< <i>You mean the Native American freedom fighter who repelled the illegal Anglo-Saxon invaders? >>
What was illegal back in 1622? Do you mean it was illegal to kill women and children? >>
None of them had an Indian issued green card. >>
I'm not sure we can really say the European settlers were illegal. In the early days of European settlement, Indian tribes used the foreigners to shift the balance of power with respect to other Indian tribes so the Europeans were sometimes welcomed and thus could not be considered illegal in a blanket sense.
Oh Great! More small dollar coins to take up that wasted space in the US Treasury vaults!
Whats it take to get a job there counting the monies??? Given enough time, I'm sure I could find an MS69 somewhere!
Whoops! Looks like this isn;t the Sacajawea reverse stuff! My bad!
Whoops skip that last My Bad:
<< <i>[110th CONGRESS House Bills] [From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access] [DOCID: h2358enr.txt] [Enrolled Bill] H.R.2358
One Hundred Tenth Congress of the United States of America AT THE FIRST SESSION
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Thursday, the fourth day of January, two thousand and seven
An Act
To require the Secretary of the Treasury to mint and issue coins in commemoration of Native Americans and the important contributions made by Indian tribes and individual Native Americans to the development of the United States and the history of the United States, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Native American $1 Coin Act''.
SEC. 2. NATIVE AMERICAN $1 COIN PROGRAM.
Section 5112 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: ``(r) Redesign and Issuance of Circulating $1 Coins Honoring Native Americans and the Important Contributions Made by Indian Tribes and Individual Native Americans in United States History.-- ``(1) Redesign beginning in 2008.-- ``(A) In general.--Effective beginning January 1, 2008, notwithstanding subsection (d), in addition to the coins to be issued pursuant to subsection (n), and in accordance with this subsection, the Secretary shall mint and issue $1 coins that-- ``(i) have as the designs on the obverse the so-called 'Sacagawea design'; and ``(ii) have a design on the reverse selected in accordance with paragraph (2)(A), subject to paragraph (3)(A). ``(B) Delayed date.--If the date of the enactment of the Native American $1 Coin Act is after August 25, 2007, subparagraph (A) shall be applied by substituting `2009' for `2008'. ``(2) Design requirements.--The $1 coins issued in accordance with paragraph (1) shall meet the following design requirements: ``(A) Coin reverse.--The design on the reverse shall bear-- ``(i) images celebrating the important contributions made by Indian tribes and individual Native Americans to the development of the United States and the history of the United States; ``(ii) the inscription `$1'; and ``(iii) the inscription `United States of America'. ``(B) Coin obverse.--The design on the obverse shall-- ``(i) be chosen by the Secretary, after consultation with the Commission of Fine Arts and review by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee; and ``(ii) contain the so-called `Sacagawea design' and the inscription `Liberty'. ``(C) Edge-incused inscriptions.-- ``(i) In general.--The inscription of the year of minting and issuance of the coin and the inscriptions `E Pluribus Unum' and `In God We Trust' shall be edge-incused into the coin. ``(ii) Preservation of distinctive edge.--The edge- incusing of the inscriptions under clause (i) on coins issued under this subsection shall be done in a manner that preserves the distinctive edge of the coin so that the denomination of the coin is readily discernible, including by individuals who are blind or visually impaired. ``(D) Reverse design selection.--The designs selected for the reverse of the coins described under this subsection-- ``(i) shall be chosen by the Secretary after consultation with the Committee on Indian Affairs of the Senate, the Congressional Native American Caucus of the House of Representatives, the Commission of Fine Arts, and the National Congress of American Indians; ``(ii) shall be reviewed by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee; ``(iii) may depict individuals and events such as--
``(I) the creation of Cherokee written language; ``(II) the Iroquois Confederacy; ``(III) Wampanoag Chief Massasoit; ``(IV) the `Pueblo Revolt'; ``(V) Olympian Jim Thorpe; ``(VI) Ely S. Parker, a general on the staff of General Ulysses S. Grant and later head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs; and ``(VII) code talkers who served the United States Armed Forces during World War I and World War II; and
``(iv) in the case of a design depicting the contribution of an individual Native American to the development of the United States and the history of the United States, shall not depict the individual in a size such that the coin could be considered to be a `2-headed' coin. ``(3) Issuance of coins commemorating 1 native american event during each year.-- ``(A) In general.--Each design for the reverse of the $1 coins issued during each year shall be emblematic of 1 important Native American or Native American contribution each year. ``(B) Issuance period.--Each $1 coin minted with a design on the reverse in accordance with this subsection for any year shall be issued during the 1-year period beginning on January 1 of that year and shall be available throughout the entire 1-year period. ``(C) Order of issuance of designs.--Each coin issued under this subsection commemorating Native Americans and their contributions-- ``(i) shall be issued, to the maximum extent practicable, in the chronological order in which the Native Americans lived or the events occurred, until the termination of the coin program described in subsection (n); and ``(ii) thereafter shall be issued in any order determined to be appropriate by the Secretary, after consultation with the Committee on Indian Affairs of the Senate, the Congressional Native American Caucus of the House of Representatives, and the National Congress of American Indians. ``(4) Issuance of numismatic coins.--The Secretary may mint and issue such number of $1 coins of each design selected under this subsection in uncirculated and proof qualities as the Secretary determines to be appropriate. ``(5) Quantity.--The number of $1 coins minted and issued in a year with the Sacagawea-design on the obverse shall be not less than 20 percent of the total number of $1 coins minted and issued in such year.''.
SEC. 3. TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.
Section 5112(n)(1) of title 31, United States Code, is amended-- (1) by striking the paragraph designation and heading and all that follows through ``Notwithstanding subsection (d)'' and inserting the following: ``(1) Redesign beginning in 2007.--Notwithstanding subsection (d)''; (2) by striking subparagraph (B); and (3) by redesignating clauses (i) and (ii) as subparagraphs (A) and (B), respectively, and indenting the subparagraphs appropriately.
SEC. 4. REMOVAL OF BARRIERS TO CIRCULATION OF $1 COIN.
(a) In General.--In order to remove barriers to circulation, the Secretary of the Treasury shall carry out an aggressive, cost- effective, continuing campaign to encourage commercial enterprises to accept and dispense $1 coins that have as designs on the obverse the so-called ``Sacagawea design''. (b) Report.--The Secretary of the Treasury shall submit to Congress an annual report on the success of the efforts described in subsection (a).
Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Vice President of the United States and President of the Senate.
>>
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>I guess Indians are more popular than Lady Liberty. >>
And why would they not be ? Unless you've seen Lady Liberty living of this land and walking through the woods . Providing for their family and tribe.
PLEASE, send me a sample of the drugs you are currently taking !
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."
<< <i>I guess Indians are more popular than Lady Liberty. >>
And why would they not be ? Unless you've seen Lady Liberty living of this land and walking through the woods . Providing for their family and tribe. >>
I've seen a call for Lady Liberty much more on these boards
Do you know what I think a cool reverse would be? The scene of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima, it would be a tribute to Ira Hayes and also to remind us all that were now all americans.
<< <i>President Bush signed the bill today, so it's a done deal: Link >>
no surprise here.
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
i think they'll be a big hit. they are going to tweak them by having edge lettering!
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
So if the regular Sac-Liberty Reverse must be 1 for every 3 dollar coins minted, and the Sac-Indian Reverse must be 1 for every 5 dollar coins minted, what does that result in?
Pres 1: P Pres 2: P Pres 3: P Pres 4: P Sac-L: Grand Total * 1/3 Sac-N: Grand Total * 1/5
It's a mess and once again, our politicians show that they don't have an ounce of sense and are just doing little PC show-boating. If they wanted to do something for the coins, this is not the way to do it. If they wanted to do something for the native americans, this is not the way to do it. They should try doing something based ON THE PERSON and not using race/heritage as an excuse for it.
<< <i>This is just stupid. If for no other reason, than the fact that WE DON'T WANT DOLLAR COINS !!!
What exactly are they trying to accomplish here ?? >>
They've proven conclusively that what the American people want doesn't matter one iota. >>
I'm not so sure about that. Consider the following:
(1) The average American on the street fits the above, they do not want dollar coins. Congress is taking care of these people by keeping the ragbuck alive and giving them what they want.
(2) Many American coin collectors like to collect coins that "circulate" but are in effect, primarily for collectors. Congress is taking care of these people by over producing Prexy Bux and Indian Bux to give the impression they circulate in an effort to give these people what they want.
(3) American Indians are the primary ones that push for Indians on our coinage. They feel disenfranchised by commemoratives for events such as the Louis and Clark Bicentennial because they see the exploration as an event that led to the loss of many lands. Having a Native American coin gives these people what they want.
(4) Many Americans and Congressmen want the concept of Liberty back on our coins. The Statue of Lady Liberty is now on every single Prexy Bux to give these people what they want.
(5) The vending machine industry wants dollar coins with the same size and magnetic properties of previous small dollars so they don't have to retool. This prevents us from moving to smaller diameter but thicker coins. By keeping Prexy and Indian Bux the same size and composition as previous small dollars, these people are getting what they want.
The people who don't like what's happening are probably (a) a small number compared to the people satisfied with the above and (b) don't have an influential organization to make their voice heard in aggregate.
The problem in some eyes could be that Congress is giving too many people what they want.
<< <i>What company builds and sells the coin presses? I want their stock. >>
ME TOO!
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
<< <i>So if the regular Sac-Liberty Reverse must be 1 for every 3 dollar coins minted, and the Sac-Indian Reverse must be 1 for every 5 dollar coins minted, what does that result in?
Pres 1: P Pres 2: P Pres 3: P Pres 4: P Sac-L: Grand Total * 1/3 Sac-N: Grand Total * 1/5
So if the average mintage of Pres-D is P, 8.57 is the Grand Total circulating Dollar Coins.
4P of those are Pres-D 2.85P of those are Sac-L 1.71 of those are Sac-N
If P = 300,000,000 then
1.2 Billion Pres-D 857 Million Sac-L 514 Million Sac-N
Two conclusions: No major Rarities to be found The mint must hire another math major
GT = 6,000/7 >>
(Whoops, hit the wrong button. )
Guess I don't understand...will BOTH the Sac/Liberty AND the Sac/Native American be produced...or are they replacing ("redesigning") the Sac/Liberty with the Sac/Native American?? Likewise, since it's now after 8/25/07, guess they won't be produced until 2009.
[(3) American Indians are the primary ones that push for Indians on our coinage. They feel disenfranchised by commemoratives for events such as the Louis and Clark Bicentennial because they see the exploration as an event that led to the loss of many lands. Having a Native American coin gives these people what they want.
So the Indians (native Americans for pc) want indian coins and are pushing for it but these same indians don't want sports teams to have indian themes and are suing to drop the names. Somehow I missed the logic but I have come to not expect logic when pride and racism is involved. Maybe it's just too much fire water.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
I hear that the mammoths and mastodons have an issue with the ancestors of the native Americans invading their world via the Bering land bridge 30,000 or so years ago.
<< <i>I hear that the mammoths and mastodons have an issue with the ancestors of the native Americans invading their world via the Bering land bridge 30,000 or so years ago. >>
There you go. Some ambitious politicians should up the p.c. game one more level and suggest mastodon coin. Of course they will have to figure out how to bring them back alive and put them on the voter rolls.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
I read what Yom Kippur meant in wikipedia after seeing it posted in another thread. I suggest all read what it represents and we might have a better world. Let's pick a new date to try it !
I pick THIS DAY
You don't have to change nothin' but yer mind 'cuz the body follows !
<< <i>I hear that the mammoths and mastodons have an issue with the ancestors of the native Americans invading their world via the Bering land bridge 30,000 or so years ago. >>
They should have built an electric fence to keep them out.
<< <i>Do you know what I think a cool reverse would be? The scene of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima, it would be a tribute to Ira Hayes and also to remind us all that were now all americans. >>
Already been done. Check the Marine Corp commem silver dollar.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Comments
<< <i>That'll compliment the illegal Anglo-Saxon invader dollars nicely. >>
What are illegal about them?
<< <i>Native Americans needed better border security. >>
Did you know that George Washington thought Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were dangerous radicals? GW was originally a loyalist but switched sides when the Governor of Virginia revoked his "already-revoked land grants" in the Ohio Valley Indian country? The land grants had already been revoked by George III but GW still held on to them with the hopes that the Indian treaty would be revoked one day as many people thought at the time. It was the act of revoking his already-revoked land grants that convinced GW that the crown had too much power and led him to joining the fledgling country.
While Americans broke many of the treaties they signed with the Indians, the one thing that Indians did that the settlers could not abide by was the Indian tradition of converting captured women and children to their tribe. That was a practice that Americans could never forget or forgive.
I wonder if Opechancanough will get honored on a coin? Is he the one on this year's Jamestown coins?
Propaganda has nothing to do with it, of course.
<< <i>You mean the Native American freedom fighter who repelled the illegal Anglo-Saxon invaders? >>
What was illegal back in 1622? Do you mean it was illegal to kill women and children?
I guess neither of your PM functions work?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>
<< <i>You mean the Native American freedom fighter who repelled the illegal Anglo-Saxon invaders? >>
What was illegal back in 1622? Do you mean it was illegal to kill women and children? >>
None of them had an Indian issued green card.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>You mean the Native American freedom fighter who repelled the illegal Anglo-Saxon invaders? >>
What was illegal back in 1622? Do you mean it was illegal to kill women and children? >>
None of them had an Indian issued green card. >>
I'm not sure we can really say the European settlers were illegal. In the early days of European settlement, Indian tribes used the foreigners to shift the balance of power with respect to other Indian tribes so the Europeans were sometimes welcomed and thus could not be considered illegal in a blanket sense.
Whats it take to get a job there counting the monies??? Given enough time, I'm sure I could find an MS69 somewhere!
Whoops! Looks like this isn;t the Sacajawea reverse stuff! My bad!
Whoops skip that last My Bad:
<< <i>[110th CONGRESS House Bills]
[From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access]
[DOCID: h2358enr.txt]
[Enrolled Bill]
H.R.2358
One Hundred Tenth Congress
of the
United States of America
AT THE FIRST SESSION
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Thursday,
the fourth day of January, two thousand and seven
An Act
To require the Secretary of the Treasury to mint and issue coins in
commemoration of Native Americans and the important contributions made
by Indian tribes and individual Native Americans to the development of
the United States and the history of the United States, and for other
purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Native American $1 Coin Act''.
SEC. 2. NATIVE AMERICAN $1 COIN PROGRAM.
Section 5112 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
``(r) Redesign and Issuance of Circulating $1 Coins Honoring Native Americans and the Important Contributions Made by Indian Tribes and Individual Native Americans in United States History.--
``(1) Redesign beginning in 2008.--
``(A) In general.--Effective beginning January 1, 2008, notwithstanding subsection (d), in addition to the coins to be issued pursuant to subsection (n), and in accordance with this subsection, the Secretary shall mint and issue $1 coins that--
``(i) have as the designs on the obverse the so-called 'Sacagawea design'; and
``(ii) have a design on the reverse selected in
accordance with paragraph (2)(A), subject to paragraph
(3)(A).
``(B) Delayed date.--If the date of the enactment of the Native American $1 Coin Act is after August 25, 2007, subparagraph (A) shall be applied by substituting `2009' for
`2008'.
``(2) Design requirements.--The $1 coins issued in accordance with paragraph (1) shall meet the following design requirements:
``(A) Coin reverse.--The design on the reverse shall bear--
``(i) images celebrating the important contributions made by Indian tribes and individual Native Americans to the development of the United States and the history of the United States;
``(ii) the inscription `$1'; and
``(iii) the inscription `United States of America'.
``(B) Coin obverse.--The design on the obverse shall--
``(i) be chosen by the Secretary, after consultation with the Commission of Fine Arts and review by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee; and
``(ii) contain the so-called `Sacagawea design' and the
inscription `Liberty'.
``(C) Edge-incused inscriptions.--
``(i) In general.--The inscription of the year of minting and issuance of the coin and the inscriptions `E Pluribus Unum' and `In God We Trust' shall be edge-incused into the coin.
``(ii) Preservation of distinctive edge.--The edge- incusing of the inscriptions under clause (i) on coins issued under this subsection shall be done in a manner that preserves the distinctive edge of the coin so that the denomination of the coin is readily discernible, including by individuals who are blind or visually impaired.
``(D) Reverse design selection.--The designs selected for the reverse of the coins described under this subsection--
``(i) shall be chosen by the Secretary after consultation with the Committee on Indian Affairs of the Senate, the Congressional Native American Caucus of the House of Representatives, the Commission of Fine Arts, and the National Congress of American Indians;
``(ii) shall be reviewed by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee;
``(iii) may depict individuals and events such as--
``(I) the creation of Cherokee written language;
``(II) the Iroquois Confederacy;
``(III) Wampanoag Chief Massasoit;
``(IV) the `Pueblo Revolt';
``(V) Olympian Jim Thorpe;
``(VI) Ely S. Parker, a general on the staff of General Ulysses S. Grant and later head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs; and
``(VII) code talkers who served the United States Armed Forces during World War I and World War II; and
``(iv) in the case of a design depicting the contribution of an individual Native American to the development of the United States and the history of the United States, shall not depict the individual in a size such that the coin could be considered to be a `2-headed'
coin.
``(3) Issuance of coins commemorating 1 native american event during each year.--
``(A) In general.--Each design for the reverse of the $1 coins issued during each year shall be emblematic of 1 important Native American or Native American contribution each year.
``(B) Issuance period.--Each $1 coin minted with a design on the reverse in accordance with this subsection for any year shall be issued during the 1-year period beginning on January 1 of that year and shall be available throughout the entire 1-year period.
``(C) Order of issuance of designs.--Each coin issued under this subsection commemorating Native Americans and their contributions--
``(i) shall be issued, to the maximum extent practicable, in the chronological order in which the Native Americans lived or the events occurred, until the termination of the coin program described in subsection
(n); and
``(ii) thereafter shall be issued in any order determined to be appropriate by the Secretary, after consultation with the Committee on Indian Affairs of the Senate, the Congressional Native American Caucus of the House of Representatives, and the National Congress of American Indians.
``(4) Issuance of numismatic coins.--The Secretary may mint and issue such number of $1 coins of each design selected under this subsection in uncirculated and proof qualities as the Secretary determines to be appropriate.
``(5) Quantity.--The number of $1 coins minted and issued in a year with the Sacagawea-design on the obverse shall be not less than 20 percent of the total number of $1 coins minted and issued in such year.''.
SEC. 3. TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.
Section 5112(n)(1) of title 31, United States Code, is amended--
(1) by striking the paragraph designation and heading and all that follows through ``Notwithstanding subsection (d)'' and inserting the following:
``(1) Redesign beginning in 2007.--Notwithstanding subsection
(d)'';
(2) by striking subparagraph (B); and
(3) by redesignating clauses (i) and (ii) as subparagraphs (A) and (B), respectively, and indenting the subparagraphs appropriately.
SEC. 4. REMOVAL OF BARRIERS TO CIRCULATION OF $1 COIN.
(a) In General.--In order to remove barriers to circulation, the Secretary of the Treasury shall carry out an aggressive, cost-
effective, continuing campaign to encourage commercial enterprises to accept and dispense $1 coins that have as designs on the obverse the so-called ``Sacagawea design''.
(b) Report.--The Secretary of the Treasury shall submit to Congress an annual report on the success of the efforts described in subsection
(a).
Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Vice President of the United States and
President of the Senate.
>>
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I guess Indians are more popular than Lady Liberty. >>
And why would they not be ? Unless you've seen Lady Liberty living of this land and walking through the woods . Providing for their family and tribe.
PLEASE, send me a sample of the drugs you are currently taking !
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
<< <i>
<< <i>I guess Indians are more popular than Lady Liberty. >>
And why would they not be ? Unless you've seen Lady Liberty living of this land and walking through the woods . Providing for their family and tribe. >>
I've seen a call for Lady Liberty much more on these boards
Thanks,
Chris
<< <i>President Bush signed the bill today, so it's a done deal: Link >>
Thanks for the link newsman.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
The Mysterious Egyptian Magic Coin
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Coins on Television
<< <i>You must not judge the past by the standards of today - it was a radically different world - and, in some ways, better. Cheers, RickO >>
few words but very true
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<< <i>President Bush signed the bill today, so it's a done deal: Link >>
no surprise here.
i think they'll be a big hit. they are going to tweak them by having edge lettering!
<< <i>Now if they'd put some precious metal back in them and have the incuse design, I'd say ... bring 'em on !!! >>
I'd suppose you'd want them to circulate too ....Geez .!!..what do want ...the world?!?!?....
Pres 1: P
Pres 2: P
Pres 3: P
Pres 4: P
Sac-L: Grand Total * 1/3
Sac-N: Grand Total * 1/5
So....
GrandTotal (GT) = Sum (Pres 1
GT = 4P + GT/3 + GT/5
15 GT = 60P + 5 GT + 3 GT
7 GT = 60P
GT = 8.57P
So if the average mintage of Pres-D is P, 8.57 is the Grand Total circulating Dollar Coins.
4P of those are Pres-D
2.85P of those are Sac-L
1.71 of those are Sac-N
If P = 300,000,000 then
1.2 Billion Pres-D
857 Million Sac-L
514 Million Sac-N
Two conclusions:
No major Rarities to be found
The mint must hire another math major
GT = 6,000/7
It's a mess and once again, our politicians show that they don't have an ounce of sense and are just doing little PC show-boating.
If they wanted to do something for the coins, this is not the way to do it. If they wanted to do something for the native americans, this is not the way to do it.
They should try doing something based ON THE PERSON and not using race/heritage as an excuse for it.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
This is just stupid. If for no other reason, than the fact that WE DON'T WANT DOLLAR COINS !!!
What exactly are they trying to accomplish here ??
<< <i>This is just stupid. If for no other reason, than the fact that WE DON'T WANT DOLLAR COINS !!!
What exactly are they trying to accomplish here ?? >>
They are trying to see if collectors will buy them.
<< <i>This is just stupid. If for no other reason, than the fact that WE DON'T WANT DOLLAR COINS !!!
What exactly are they trying to accomplish here ?? >>
They've proven conclusively that what the American people want doesn't matter one iota.
Top officials must feel there are enough lamb standing in line, willing to get slaughtered.
On a serious note, why not, Native Americans paid the price for Westward expansion, and were routed to
unwanted parcels of land.
<< <i>
<< <i>This is just stupid. If for no other reason, than the fact that WE DON'T WANT DOLLAR COINS !!!
What exactly are they trying to accomplish here ?? >>
They've proven conclusively that what the American people want doesn't matter one iota. >>
I'm not so sure about that. Consider the following:
(1) The average American on the street fits the above, they do not want dollar coins. Congress is taking care of these people by keeping the ragbuck alive and giving them what they want.
(2) Many American coin collectors like to collect coins that "circulate" but are in effect, primarily for collectors. Congress is taking care of these people by over producing Prexy Bux and Indian Bux to give the impression they circulate in an effort to give these people what they want.
(3) American Indians are the primary ones that push for Indians on our coinage. They feel disenfranchised by commemoratives for events such as the Louis and Clark Bicentennial because they see the exploration as an event that led to the loss of many lands. Having a Native American coin gives these people what they want.
(4) Many Americans and Congressmen want the concept of Liberty back on our coins. The Statue of Lady Liberty is now on every single Prexy Bux to give these people what they want.
(5) The vending machine industry wants dollar coins with the same size and magnetic properties of previous small dollars so they don't have to retool. This prevents us from moving to smaller diameter but thicker coins. By keeping Prexy and Indian Bux the same size and composition as previous small dollars, these people are getting what they want.
The people who don't like what's happening are probably (a) a small number compared to the people satisfied with the above and (b) don't have an influential organization to make their voice heard in aggregate.
The problem in some eyes could be that Congress is giving too many people what they want.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
I think it's a great idea. These dead president coins are too long in the tooth, and frnkly fugly.
It's time we started designing American Images on coinage. The Grand Canyon. The Rocky Mountains. Key West
<< <i>What company builds and sells the coin presses? I want their stock. >>
ME TOO!
<< <i>So if the regular Sac-Liberty Reverse must be 1 for every 3 dollar coins minted, and the Sac-Indian Reverse must be 1 for every 5 dollar coins minted, what does that result in?
Pres 1: P
Pres 2: P
Pres 3: P
Pres 4: P
Sac-L: Grand Total * 1/3
Sac-N: Grand Total * 1/5
So....
GrandTotal (GT) = Sum (Pres 1
GT = 4P + GT/3 + GT/5
15 GT = 60P + 5 GT + 3 GT
7 GT = 60P
GT = 8.57P
So if the average mintage of Pres-D is P, 8.57 is the Grand Total circulating Dollar Coins.
4P of those are Pres-D
2.85P of those are Sac-L
1.71 of those are Sac-N
If P = 300,000,000 then
1.2 Billion Pres-D
857 Million Sac-L
514 Million Sac-N
Two conclusions:
No major Rarities to be found
The mint must hire another math major
GT = 6,000/7 >>
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Guess I don't understand...will BOTH the Sac/Liberty AND the Sac/Native American be produced...or are they replacing ("redesigning") the Sac/Liberty with the Sac/Native American?? Likewise, since it's now after 8/25/07, guess they won't be produced until 2009.
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So the Indians (native Americans for pc) want indian coins and are pushing for it but these same indians don't want sports teams to have indian themes and are suing to drop the names. Somehow I missed the logic but I have come to not expect logic when pride and racism is involved. Maybe it's just too much fire water.
It's one of the few constants we have to embrace.
Bering land bridge 30,000 or so years ago.
<< <i>I hear that the mammoths and mastodons have an issue with the ancestors of the native Americans invading their world via the
Bering land bridge 30,000 or so years ago.
There you go. Some ambitious politicians should up the p.c. game one more level and suggest mastodon coin. Of course they will have to figure out how to bring them back alive and put them on the voter rolls.
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<< <i>I hear that the mammoths and mastodons have an issue with the ancestors of the native Americans invading their world via the
Bering land bridge 30,000 or so years ago.
They should have built an electric fence to keep them out.
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<< <i>Do you know what I think a cool reverse would be? The scene of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima, it would be a tribute to Ira Hayes and also to remind us all that were now all americans. >>
Already been done. Check the Marine Corp commem silver dollar.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I'll ask the obvious question.... where does the AMERO coin fit into this???? !