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Mike Lowell for MVP

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    he's the MVP of the Red Sox, but not the MVP of the AL East.
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  • SeatedCoinSeatedCoin Posts: 1,040
    Yeah, right. His stats are SOOOOO much better than A-Rods.
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    "The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    mvp isn't all about stats.

    ill point to Kirk Gibson for the Dodgers. a true team leader and the MVP when others had much better stats.

    with Manny and Big Papi having sub-par (relatively) seasons, Lowell has stepped up and exceeded expectations and is a huge reason the sox have held together all season long.

    Arod has the best stats and may be the best player in the majors, but that doesnt guarantee the MVP award.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MVP for the RED SOX but that is about as far as I will go for campaining for him....
  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771
    While Lowell may very well be the MVP of the Sox, there's no way he compares to any of the big 5 in MVP voting.

    Arod, Vlad, Mags...all those would be more worthy candidates.
  • jad22jad22 Posts: 535 ✭✭
    I guess if Arod wins cause his stats, then somebody owes Ortiz a apology for last year. If the MVP is only about stats then I guess Ted Williams should have won the MVP during his 2 seasons where he won the triple crown.
  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771
    Arod won't win solely because of his stats, but because he single-handedly carried the yankees out of the awful year they were headed towards and made them wild card winners.
  • SeatedCoinSeatedCoin Posts: 1,040
    Concession speech
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    "The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
  • rajah424rajah424 Posts: 439 ✭✭
    Yeah, right. His stats are SOOOOO much better than A-Rods

    1942 MVP winner Joe Gordon vs Ted Williams 1942 stats.
    Gordon 322 avg. 173hits 18HR 103RBI
    Williams 356 avg. 186 hits 36HR 137RBI

    1947 MVP winner Joe D. vs Ted Williams 1947 stats.
    Dimaggio 315 avg 168hits 20HR 97RBI
    Williams 343 avg 181hits 32HR 114RBI
  • TomGshotputTomGshotput Posts: 1,358
    There is a strong arguement Kirk Gibson did have the best statistics in 1988

    Strawberry: .269 BA, .366 OBP, .545 SLG
    Gibson: .290, .377, .483
    edge to Strawberry especially since Shea was more of a pitchers park than even Dodger Stadium

    However, 31/35 is stolen base attempts for Gibson compared to 29/43 for Strawberry. That is two extra bases and 10 fewer outs, or equal to an .018 OBP

    Also, Gibson had a 2.14 rangefactor playing with primarily a groundball pitching staff, while Strawberry had a 2.01 rangefactor with a primarily flyball pitching staff. Granted more balls are usually hit to left than right, but the statistics show Gibson as the better defensive player

    Tom
  • TomGshotputTomGshotput Posts: 1,358
    He is not the MVP of the Red Sox. And not even second most valuable player on his own team. Beckett and Ortiz are both ahead of Lowell
    Tom
  • JrMacdaddyJrMacdaddy Posts: 506 ✭✭
    In 1988 Kirk Gibson wan't even MVP of his team.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, right. His stats are SOOOOO much better than A-Rods

    1942 MVP winner Joe Gordon vs Ted Williams 1942 stats.
    Gordon 322 avg. 173hits 18HR 103RBI
    Williams 356 avg. 186 hits 36HR 137RBI

    1947 MVP winner Joe D. vs Ted Williams 1947 stats.
    Dimaggio 315 avg 168hits 20HR 97RBI
    Williams 343 avg 181hits 32HR 114RBI >>



    the voters (media) hated Ted Williams, that's all there is to that story.
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, right. His stats are SOOOOO much better than A-Rods

    1942 MVP winner Joe Gordon vs Ted Williams 1942 stats.
    Gordon 322 avg. 173hits 18HR 103RBI
    Williams 356 avg. 186 hits 36HR 137RBI

    1947 MVP winner Joe D. vs Ted Williams 1947 stats.
    Dimaggio 315 avg 168hits 20HR 97RBI
    Williams 343 avg 181hits 32HR 114RBI >>



    Absolutely criminal. Especially the Joe D year - typical Yankee bias at work, even back then.
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>He is not the MVP of the Red Sox. And not even second most valuable player on his own team. Beckett and Ortiz are both ahead of Lowell >>



    Say what? I guess you don't watch the Red Sox much, because Lowell has indeed been the Sox MVP this season. After him, I would say its a toss-up between Okajima and Beckett, but as much as I love Ortiz, he is hardly the reason for their success to this point this season.
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  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    "He is not the MVP of the Red Sox. And not even second most valuable player on his own team. Beckett and Ortiz are both ahead of Lowell "

    lol that is by far the most ridiculous statement in this thread.

    Ortiz doesnt mention a second thought this year; solid season, but no way close to MVP numbers or performance.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"He is not the MVP of the Red Sox. And not even second most valuable player on his own team. Beckett and Ortiz are both ahead of Lowell "

    lol that is by far the most ridiculous statement in this thread.

    Ortiz doesnt mention a second thought this year; solid season, but no way close to MVP numbers or performance. >>




    image Agreed! Ortiz's "Magic" has all but dissapeared this season, way way off base putting Ortiz up there for Sox MVP, seriously all you have to do is compare their #'s.
  • TomGshotputTomGshotput Posts: 1,358


    << <i>seriously all you have to do is compare their #'s. >>



    Exactly

    .433 OBP for Ortiz compared to .379 for Lowell; .585 Slugging for Ortiz compared to .501 for Lowell. Even Gold Glove defense cannot make up for 10 doubles, 10 homeruns and 50 walks. Still doesn't put him all that close to the best in the league, though
    Tom
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've watched nearly every game. Mike Lowell has been more clutch for the Sox this year than has Ortiz. When a DH with great numbers doesn't win the MVP award, there's got to be a reason why...he's a part time player.
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  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771
    A DH won't win the MVP award until the retarded voters get it through their heads that the DH is a viable position. Nobody gives someone an MVP nod because of how good they play defense, so why do they take it away from someone because they don't play defense? It's the most ridiculous line of 'reasoning' I've ever heard.

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