Where's all the hate for Donaghy?
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I've read (and replied) the great emotions involved in the Vick case. Dogs are, after all, man's best friend. But in the midst of this, a man has plead guilty to fixing games, to affecting their outcome, and leaking that information to mobsters. Pete Rose was vilified to an extent that I still don't understand...he bet on games, but didn't affect their outcome, yet he's called the epitome of evil by many, many people.
Here we have a guy who fixed games, possibly fixed playoff games, and his story is largely ignored here. Why is that?
Why would we rather focus our hate and anger on Vick, while this guy who affected the integrity of the sports goes largely unnoticed? Why aren't more people absolutely up in arms, why isn't Stern's head on a platter for allowing this to happen? Why was it a federal investigation and not one by the NBA that brought this guy down?
It's amazing to me that the very integrity of the sport of basketball has been called into question and there's not so much as a peep about it here.
Here we have a guy who fixed games, possibly fixed playoff games, and his story is largely ignored here. Why is that?
Why would we rather focus our hate and anger on Vick, while this guy who affected the integrity of the sports goes largely unnoticed? Why aren't more people absolutely up in arms, why isn't Stern's head on a platter for allowing this to happen? Why was it a federal investigation and not one by the NBA that brought this guy down?
It's amazing to me that the very integrity of the sport of basketball has been called into question and there's not so much as a peep about it here.
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randy
<< <i>I think what Vick did was far worse than anything this guy and Pete Rose did combined. It is something very very different when someone causes physical harm to a innocent being for pleasure. >>
Exactly!!!! One impacts sports the other is torturing animals for fun. No comparison in my mind.
Referees are basically a bunch of unknowns to the general public, there is no real emotional attachment or sense of identity to them as being a representative of a team so when they do something wrong the public reaction is muted.
Maybe the problem with no big reaction is a reflection on the decline in the image of the NBA in general.
<< <i>Pete Rose was vilified to an extent that I still don't understand...he bet on games, but didn't affect their outcome, yet he's called the epitome of evil by many, many people. >>
Always the Rose apologist, even in a thread you started about Donaghy.
2) as mentioned, I don't find his actions to be as evil as Vicks
3) still hope he gets what's coming to him
4) I don't see any arguments supporting him, so no need to debate
Animal abuse is nothing other than despicable
Like comparing Henry Hill with a child molestor. Both are monsters, but Goodfellas is always a good watch
While the Basketball Ref betting on games played by thugs is no real shocker to anybody. You know it was happening, just a question of when someone would get caught
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<< <i>Gambling and fixing games is intriguing >>
Intriguing? I don't think Pete Rose was ever called 'intriguing' by those who hunted him down, his actions (betting on games) was called one of the most hideous actions ever.
But then as someone said above, it has more to do with the person doing it than the action itself.
<< <i>Animal abuse is nothing other than despicable >>
No one ever said it wasn't.
<< <i>Here we have a guy who fixed games, possibly fixed playoff games, and his story is largely ignored here. Why is that? >>
because nobody here has tried to defend Donaghy like you defend Vick and his cruelty to animals.. if you werent such a fan of Vick and tortured animals, there wouldnt be as much conversation about it..
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<< <i>Here we have a guy who fixed games, possibly fixed playoff games, and his story is largely ignored here. Why is that? >>
because nobody here has tried to defend Donaghy like you defend Vick and his cruelty to animals.. if you werent such a fan of Vick and tortured animals, there wouldnt be as much conversation about it.. >>
And the hate and misstatements continue.
I never said I was a fan of vick or toruring animals, perhaps if you weren't in such a rush to judge and crucify me there wouldn't be so much drama here.
I simply said that (a) he's entitled to a fair trial and (b) should be able to pursue his profession after his jail time and subsequent suspension buy the NFL.
Please stop lying about what I've said - it does no good to anyone.
<< <i>It's very simple none of us knew who he was and would never have recognized him. His pedestal is way shorter than Vick's. I would think anyone with half an average IQ could have figured that one out. Very poor analogy the ref and Vick. >>
Actually I think treetop nailed it...it has more to do with the pleasure of the general public watching those on top fall.
<< <i>It's very simple none of us knew who he was and would never have recognized him. His pedestal is way shorter than Vick's. I would think anyone with half an average IQ could have figured that one out. Very poor analogy the ref and Vick. >>
I like this analogy and agree. I do stand by my statement earlier in this thread as well.
Exactly!!!! One impacts sports the other is torturing animals for fun. No comparison in my mind.
Absolutely! No comparison to one ref who may or may not have affected the spread in certain games---and frankly, such activity has gone on for years in sports as long as gamblers are involved.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the public's enjoyment on watching Vick fall, and everything to do with revulsion at his actions. For those of us with some sense of morality or compassion, there is no comparison between a guy trying to shave a few points off a basketball game score and another guy who was directly involved in the brutalizing, torturing and killing of defenseless animals. The analogy is asinine to begin with.
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<< <i>guy is now gonna roll over on everyone that was involved???? Snitch!!! >>
He'd better watch who he's rolling over on or he won't need to worry about an investigation or jail time
now they are saying the nba scandal is much more widespread than they first thought, might get pretty interesting real quick
A more appropriate Vick comparison would be Rae Caruth or O.J. Simpson since their actions took the lives of innocents. Whether more people get upset over animals or people is a good debate but there is one big reason the animal lovers are making a huge deal here. Vick tortured, hung and drowned innocent animals and will be out in 1 to 2 years of jail. If you did that to 1 human your in jail for life so to say Vick is being persecuted harder because he killed animals is not true when it comes down to real punishment.
The league will never allow him to play again. He is done. No room for dog killers in the NFL.
<< <i>Someone correct me if I am wrong, but the animal cruelty under present law would most likely not get him any time, its the gambling and transporting the dogs across state line for gambling purposes that will earn him jail time if he is found guilty or pleads. >>
I think you may be right, however I do think there is curcumstances where you can actually do time for cruelty to animals. I dont believe it is much time but couple it with his other charges and he is going to do some slammer time one way or another IMO
<< <i>now they are saying there are more nba refs involved beside donaghy,whole wolrd of sports went nuts this year! >>
That's the trouble with the media, the whole world didn't go nuts, just a tiny, tiny percentage and yet that's all the media wants to talk about...instead of talking about the Rick Ankiels of the world, instead of talking about the exciting baseball playoff races, they focus on this hateful, negative stuff.
randy
It's not all sunshine and lollipops.
if more Ref's are involved, and Im certain he isnt the only one in the NBA; its news.
You hope that people are going to be honest and do their jobs professionally, but experience tells me that a high percentage of folks will make bad decisions.
<< <i>I think what Vick did was far worse than anything this guy and Pete Rose did combined. It is something very very different when someone causes physical harm to a innocent being for pleasure. >>
I agree with this. Well put.
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