Preowned, why not just start selling exclusively with the 100% account, start buying with the other account, then you won't have to go through all this hoopla of buying another item from the seller to leave negative feedback.
That's a good point, but the reason is because the other account has retalitory negs and it just doesn't look good to use it as a buying account. Think about it, if I were bidding on one of your items and you saw that I had a 60% feedback rating as a buyer, you would cancel my bid. When I do use that account, I use it for the purpose as stated above and I usually snipe the item at the last minute. I hate leaving negs. I really do. I try to work it out and that is usually the last resort. And I know that two wrongs don't make a right, but I figure that person had it coming either way, so does it matter which account I leave it from? I guess I could start another buyers account, but at this point what's the purpose? The way that I do it is working for me, but it might not work for everybody. Just my thoughts.
buying an item with no intention of paying and intention of leaving negative is a suspendable offense on Ebay is it worth getting ALL your accounts suspended because you want to protect your precious 100%? Please tell me your ID so I can add you to my BBL.
Also if I see a seller with a neg from a buyer with little or no feedback I don't give it the credit I do if I see a seller with a neg from a buyer with alot of feedback.
That is why you snipe, a seller cannot block a bid based on feedback. Snipe the listing and the seller CANNOT cancel your bids without other problems if you follow through on them.
Re-read the ENTIRE post, don't just skim over it. If you don't understand it, I can translate it to Spanish, Deutsche or Italian if that would help. I said, "I just buy a cheap item from them, pay for it and ..." I didn't say that I had no intentions of paying for it. I do pay for it!
I don't mean to sound rude, but people have been putting words in my mouth when I never said them!
That is not any better you are still only buying the item with the intention of leaving a negative. GROW A SET and don't worry about your precious 100% instead of providing a false neg to the sellers.
All the people who see that neg is some NEWB who bid on an item and left the seller a neg on a cheap item. If you just got screwed by this seller on a 500 dollar item and you neg him on a 1.00 dollar item is that a fair representation of the transaction? I would rather see the neg on the high dollar item than the low dollar item.
Besides that by buying the item all you are doing is lining the scammers pockets. Who is getting better satisfication? If I get screwed on a deal no way in he77 will I send him another dime.
You're forgetting the purpose of the feedback. Feedback is a way to let others know what type of experience you had with the buyer/seller. So, what difference does it matter where the feedback comes from? If I had a bad experiece and couldn't work things out, that person is going to get red mark. I don't see it as "providing a false neg to the sellers" becuase I would have stated the SAME THING whether I left that feedback from one account or another. Again, many people on these boards have 2 ebay accounts - one for buying and one for selling. Is that not a way of protecting their precious feedback? I'm not saying your way or anybody elses way is wrong, I simply stated what works for me.
A good example: If a buy a card from Joe's Card Shop and it turns out to be trimmed I might tell you so that you don't by from Joe's. If you happen to tell somebody else, "Joe's sells trimmed cards", that might keep them from buying from Joe's as well. So, if the interntions of the message is to keep people from buying from Joe's, why does it matter what source it came from as long as it was true?
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OK, you bought the card, never recieved it you leave no feedback.
You buy ANOTHER card pay for it recieve it and leave him a negative.
As I said I would rather see the neg on the more expensive item. When I look at feedback I don't care how many negs they have or what they say, I look at the item in question, time frame from purchase, responses on both sides and base my decision on that. I would rather see the neg where it belongs than on the other item. You are telling others there were no problems on the original transaction.
What happens when that seller decides to file a false UPI on you and get you suspended. Yes I have one on my account from a seller who filed on everyone even though I proved I paid through Paypal Ebay will not remove it, even with the seller now NARU'ed. If one account gets suspended Ebay will suspend all accounts that log in from that IP address regardless of contact information.
Last time I checked Feedback was intended for tell the story of each individual transaction.
I don't leave a neg just for not receiving a card. If he can prove he mailed it then it's my fault for not buying insurance. I stated earlier that I hate leaving negs. I give the seller every benefit of the doubt and try to work things out and a neg is only a last resort.
I had a similiar situation as yours about the NPI and that was the last time I left a negative. It was a few weeks back, I purchased ebay items 110131939320, 110131765619 and 110131765283 and paid for the items via PayPal on 6/8/07. Several days go by and the seller emailed me and asked when I was going to pay for the item. I emailed them back and told them that I had already paid for the item a week earlier. Two more days go by and the seller files an NPI on me. At that point I wasn't sure if the seller somehow overlooked the payment or was actually trying to scam me. I contacted PayPal and immediately filed an item not received on him, just in case. He emails me back right away and apoligizes to me stating that he had overlooked the payment. In the meantime, I had also responded to eBay concerning the NPI and gave them the PayPal transaction # and they dropped the NPI in literally minutes. The seller had told me they would mail the items the following day (June 14th) and I thought everything was ok. I waited for my package for 10 days and when I got it, it was postmarked on the 20th - a week later than they told me they were going to mail it. And then the icing on the cake: the package didn't include all the cards that I had bought! So to sum it up the the seller files a NPI on me a week after I paid for the items, mails my items a week after he says he's going to and then doesn't include all my cards. Think he got 3 negs? ABSLOUTELY!
I don't know how that seller got that NPI to stick if you had proof you paid for the item via PayPal. You should have fought that harder!
That's a good point, but the reason is because the other account has retalitory negs and it just doesn't look good to use it as a buying account. Think about it, if I were bidding on one of your items and you saw that I had a 60% feedback rating as a buyer, you would cancel my bid. >>
I never look atthe feedback of my high bidders, I doubt many do unless it's a real high dollar item. On the sniping comment, it might help you to snpe all the time, not just on certain auctions.
I always check feedback on my high bidders on every one of my auctions. I learned eBay a lot different than most people, so I guess I still look it it differently. I began eBay by selling $20K+ vehicles, not baseball cards. That's what I did for a living so if I were going to be successful, I had to be good at it. The baseball cards came later and that's just for fun. Whenever I had a bidder on one of my auctions (cars), the first thing I would do was check their feedback. I wanted to know who was bidding on my car. If your're selling a $20 baseball card and end up with a NPB, it's really no big deal. You file your claim with eBay, they refund your final value fees and you re-list the item. Sure, it's somewhat of an inconvenience, but it's alot different than having a NPB on a vehicle. Let's say you sell a vehicle on eBay and after the auction you try to contact the buyer to arrange pick-up/delivery and to take care of the paperwork. You email them and they do not respond. You give them a day or so and email them again. Another day goes by and you still haven't heard from them so on the third day you call their house (eBay gives you their contact information) and leave a message. A couple of more days go by and still no response. You want to give them every benefit of the doubt so you still try to make contact. Well at that point a week has gone by and you haven't heard from the winning bidder. At this point you realize they have no intentions of paying for it. Or they call you a week after the fact and tell you, "Sorry, Junior was just playing around on the computer" and they refuse to pay. That's why I look at my buyers feedback because I want to know who is bidding and do they intend to follow through. As a matter of fact I used to begin every one of my auctions the same way by stating, "If you are new to eBay, have no feedback or recent negative feedback, please contact me before you place your bid and let me know who you are and how you inted to pay for your purchase. Bidders who do not comply with this will have their bids cancelled. This protects me from non paying bidders and allows the serious bidders an opportunity to win this vehicle"
It's a lot of work protecting yourself from NPBs as a dealer, but when you're selling expensive verhicles you have to. Also, dealerships are all about turning inventory. You want to obviously move it as fast as possible. I would usually only list 2 kinds of vehicles on eBay - the really hot vehicles that I knew would sell very quickly or the "aged" inventory that was getting ready to go to auction (which was most of the listings). So when selling a car you don't want to realize a week after the sale that the buyer never really intended to pay. How do you solve that? Know who's bidding on your vehicles. I had a couple of NPBs at first, but once I learned how to avoid them, it stopped.
There are many different ways to manage eBay auctions. Some people think there way is the only way becaust they do it a certain way and it works for them. But what works for one might not work for antoher. For example, you can run a straight fixed price listing (Buy it Now), you can run a fixed price listing and accept best offers or you can run a regular 1, 3, 5, 7 or 10 day auction. If you choose the third you have the option of setting a reserve or not setting a reserve, start the auction low (.99) and let it go from there, start the auction high to discourage bidders just wanting to play around, etc, etc, etc. My point is there is no right way to do it. The right way is the way that works for you. Just my thoughts.
Hey, everyone....I had a crappy week. I probably shouldn't have made that second call. I'll be the first to say it was uncalled for and very impolite. I have no excuses. As far as the neg feedback. I don't like leaving it, I don't really want it. I'd rather just leave the situation alone. Everyone handles things differently because we're all different when it comes to personalities. But, whomever called me out about the second call being impolite...thank you. It wasn't right and I didn't have a right to do that even after the fact. They refunded me and I should have let it go. But, it's a part of life and a lesson learned. Thanks everyone!
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<< <i>I haven't yet because I have 100% positive and I really don't want that to change. >>
For God's sake, don't use that as an excuse. That's what the bad sellers want. Leave the GD negative and to hell with retaliation.
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That's a good point, but the reason is because the other account has retalitory negs and it just doesn't look good to use it as a buying account. Think about it, if I were bidding on one of your items and you saw that I had a 60% feedback rating as a buyer, you would cancel my bid. When I do use that account, I use it for the purpose as stated above and I usually snipe the item at the last minute. I hate leaving negs. I really do. I try to work it out and that is usually the last resort. And I know that two wrongs don't make a right, but I figure that person had it coming either way, so does it matter which account I leave it from? I guess I could start another buyers account, but at this point what's the purpose? The way that I do it is working for me, but it might not work for everybody. Just my thoughts.
Also if I see a seller with a neg from a buyer with little or no feedback I don't give it the credit I do if I see a seller with a neg from a buyer with alot of feedback.
That is why you snipe, a seller cannot block a bid based on feedback. Snipe the listing and the seller CANNOT cancel your bids without other problems if you follow through on them.
I don't mean to sound rude, but people have been putting words in my mouth when I never said them!
All the people who see that neg is some NEWB who bid on an item and left the seller a neg on a cheap item. If you just got screwed by this seller on a 500 dollar item and you neg him on a 1.00 dollar item is that a fair representation of the transaction? I would rather see the neg on the high dollar item than the low dollar item.
Besides that by buying the item all you are doing is lining the scammers pockets. Who is getting better satisfication? If I get screwed on a deal no way in he77 will I send him another dime.
You're forgetting the purpose of the feedback. Feedback is a way to let others know what type of experience you had with the buyer/seller. So, what difference does it matter where the feedback comes from? If I had a bad experiece and couldn't work things out, that person is going to get red mark. I don't see it as "providing a false neg to the sellers" becuase I would have stated the SAME THING whether I left that feedback from one account or another. Again, many people on these boards have 2 ebay accounts - one for buying and one for selling. Is that not a way of protecting their precious feedback? I'm not saying your way or anybody elses way is wrong, I simply stated what works for me.
A good example: If a buy a card from Joe's Card Shop and it turns out to be trimmed I might tell you so that you don't by from Joe's. If you happen to tell somebody else, "Joe's sells trimmed cards", that might keep them from buying from Joe's as well. So, if the interntions of the message is to keep people from buying from Joe's, why does it matter what source it came from as long as it was true?
You buy ANOTHER card pay for it recieve it and leave him a negative.
As I said I would rather see the neg on the more expensive item. When I look at feedback I don't care how many negs they have or what they say, I look at the item in question, time frame from purchase, responses on both sides and base my decision on that. I would rather see the neg where it belongs than on the other item. You are telling others there were no problems on the original transaction.
What happens when that seller decides to file a false UPI on you and get you suspended. Yes I have one on my account from a seller who filed on everyone even though I proved I paid through Paypal Ebay will not remove it, even with the seller now NARU'ed. If one account gets suspended Ebay will suspend all accounts that log in from that IP address regardless of contact information.
Last time I checked Feedback was intended for tell the story of each individual transaction.
I don't leave a neg just for not receiving a card. If he can prove he mailed it then it's my fault for not buying insurance. I stated earlier that I hate leaving negs. I give the seller every benefit of the doubt and try to work things out and a neg is only a last resort.
I had a similiar situation as yours about the NPI and that was the last time I left a negative. It was a few weeks back, I purchased ebay items 110131939320, 110131765619 and 110131765283 and paid for the items via PayPal on 6/8/07. Several days go by and the seller emailed me and asked when I was going to pay for the item. I emailed them back and told them that I had already paid for the item a week earlier. Two more days go by and the seller files an NPI on me. At that point I wasn't sure if the seller somehow overlooked the payment or was actually trying to scam me. I contacted PayPal and immediately filed an item not received on him, just in case. He emails me back right away and apoligizes to me stating that he had overlooked the payment. In the meantime, I had also responded to eBay concerning the NPI and gave them the PayPal transaction # and they dropped the NPI in literally minutes. The seller had told me they would mail the items the following day (June 14th) and I thought everything was ok. I waited for my package for 10 days and when I got it, it was postmarked on the 20th - a week later than they told me they were going to mail it. And then the icing on the cake: the package didn't include all the cards that I had bought! So to sum it up the the seller files a NPI on me a week after I paid for the items, mails my items a week after he says he's going to and then doesn't include all my cards. Think he got 3 negs? ABSLOUTELY!
I don't know how that seller got that NPI to stick if you had proof you paid for the item via PayPal. You should have fought that harder!
<< <i>Ahman,
That's a good point, but the reason is because the other account has retalitory negs and it just doesn't look good to use it as a buying account. Think about it, if I were bidding on one of your items and you saw that I had a 60% feedback rating as a buyer, you would cancel my bid. >>
I never look atthe feedback of my high bidders, I doubt many do unless it's a real high dollar item.
On the sniping comment, it might help you to snpe all the time, not just on certain auctions.
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I always check feedback on my high bidders on every one of my auctions. I learned eBay a lot different than most people, so I guess I still look it it differently. I began eBay by selling $20K+ vehicles, not baseball cards. That's what I did for a living so if I were going to be successful, I had to be good at it. The baseball cards came later and that's just for fun. Whenever I had a bidder on one of my auctions (cars), the first thing I would do was check their feedback. I wanted to know who was bidding on my car. If your're selling a $20 baseball card and end up with a NPB, it's really no big deal. You file your claim with eBay, they refund your final value fees and you re-list the item. Sure, it's somewhat of an inconvenience, but it's alot different than having a NPB on a vehicle. Let's say you sell a vehicle on eBay and after the auction you try to contact the buyer to arrange pick-up/delivery and to take care of the paperwork. You email them and they do not respond. You give them a day or so and email them again. Another day goes by and you still haven't heard from them so on the third day you call their house (eBay gives you their contact information) and leave a message. A couple of more days go by and still no response. You want to give them every benefit of the doubt so you still try to make contact. Well at that point a week has gone by and you haven't heard from the winning bidder. At this point you realize they have no intentions of paying for it. Or they call you a week after the fact and tell you, "Sorry, Junior was just playing around on the computer" and they refuse to pay. That's why I look at my buyers feedback because I want to know who is bidding and do they intend to follow through. As a matter of fact I used to begin every one of my auctions the same way by stating, "If you are new to eBay, have no feedback or recent negative feedback, please contact me before you place your bid and let me know who you are and how you inted to pay for your purchase. Bidders who do not comply with this will have their bids cancelled. This protects me from non paying bidders and allows the serious bidders an opportunity to win this vehicle"
It's a lot of work protecting yourself from NPBs as a dealer, but when you're selling expensive verhicles you have to. Also, dealerships are all about turning inventory. You want to obviously move it as fast as possible. I would usually only list 2 kinds of vehicles on eBay - the really hot vehicles that I knew would sell very quickly or the "aged" inventory that was getting ready to go to auction (which was most of the listings). So when selling a car you don't want to realize a week after the sale that the buyer never really intended to pay. How do you solve that? Know who's bidding on your vehicles. I had a couple of NPBs at first, but once I learned how to avoid them, it stopped.
There are many different ways to manage eBay auctions. Some people think there way is the only way becaust they do it a certain way and it works for them. But what works for one might not work for antoher. For example, you can run a straight fixed price listing (Buy it Now), you can run a fixed price listing and accept best offers or you can run a regular 1, 3, 5, 7 or 10 day auction. If you choose the third you have the option of setting a reserve or not setting a reserve, start the auction low (.99) and let it go from there, start the auction high to discourage bidders just wanting to play around, etc, etc, etc. My point is there is no right way to do it. The right way is the way that works for you. Just my thoughts.