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RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
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A.

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B.

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I will give you that the photographic technique is different.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    B.
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  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127
    Looks like wear on the high points of B so I say A.
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  • GeomanGeoman Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭
    B.

    Although coin A may be just a weaker strike.
  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    B
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  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭✭
    The lighting is much too different to compare. My gut instinct is to say that B is a higher grade.

    OR

    Is this a trick question (i.e. same coin, different lighting)?

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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    A is a higher grade, but a much weaker strike.
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    B

    But I like "A" better.
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  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    not same coin, see the die crack at eagles beak.
    I think A
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  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    B
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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    B looks like a higher grade. There appears to be a small amount of wear on A. I could be wrong. It also looks like A could just be the result of a weak strike.
  • BlackBeardBlackBeard Posts: 1,064 ✭


    << <i>A is a higher grade, but a much weaker strike. >>



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    Coin "A" almost looks counterfeit with such mushy details.
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  • 1798CentCollector1798CentCollector Posts: 736
    Hard to tell with the reflectivity in picture A, RYK. Could be some weakness in the strike in A as noted in previous posts, but barring that, B looks a bit better in strike/grade. I might add a very nice one at that. I do like the reverse die crack traversing A. A great opportunity for someone to start collecting die states image
  • eyoung429eyoung429 Posts: 6,374 ✭
    A

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  • DeusExMachinaDeusExMachina Posts: 1,325 ✭
    I would say coin A graded higher. A looks very weakly struck in the middle.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A looks cleaned while B looks to be original I'll take B.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    B. Though photo A is so overexposed it is tough to make an accurate call. (B is a better strike.)
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  • DeusExMachinaDeusExMachina Posts: 1,325 ✭


    << <i>A looks cleaned while B looks to be original I'll take B. >>



    I'm going to stick my neck out here and say, I think A might have some skin.

    It might be original.image
  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    From the pictures I would think B would grade higher.
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  • ModernCrapNutModernCrapNut Posts: 2,086 ✭
    I like "B" better, but in hand "A" may have better luster than the pic shows.


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  • IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975 ✭
    Answering a slightly different question, I'd pay more for coin B.
  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    I'd go with B as A looks cleaned. A does have a wicked die crack though.
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭
    I think A grades higher (and has a cool die crack) but i'd much rather have B
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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    I have a feeling this is a trick question - Is it the same coin in both, with the top one being a typical, poor Heritage pic?
  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    b
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  • MORGANHUNTER2MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭
    A
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No trick.

    A is a coin currently auctioned at Heritage in a PCGS AU-55 holder. B is a coin that I just added to my collection. It's in an older NGC AU-58 holder and failed to cross at PCGS (it was submitted right before I purchased it).

    The 1848-D $5 is one of the worst struck of the Dahlonega $5's (perhaps only the 1861-D is worse). I think my coin is a 58 all day long, and I do not care if the folks at PCGS do not agree. If one were motivated enough to get it into the higher holder, and money was no issue, one thing that one could do is buy the P55 from Heritage, cross the N58 at any grade (decent chance it gets into the P55 holder), then submit the two together for regrade service. It would be a lot of work!

    The Heritage photo is terribly overexposed. I was perusing the Summer FUN catalog yesterday evening and remarking to myself that the photography looked vastly improved. I guess I missed this one.
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  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,319 ✭✭✭✭✭
    B

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  • ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭
    B looks higher grade - I thought it was a MS60 (lots of marks bt no wear I can clearly see) whereas I see some wear on A high points so I'd say a mid to higher grade AU. Why do you think B didn't cross?
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    B
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  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
    B, but I too like A better.
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  • BobGreeneBobGreene Posts: 952 ✭


    << <i>
    It's in an older NGC AU-58 holder and failed to cross at PCGS >>


    You may have to crack it and submit it to PCGS raw. You'll probably get your AU58 grade that way (well, after a couple of submissions at least).



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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    different pair of dies, different die states, and different photography makes comparison of "grade" difficult.

    from what I see, I prefer coin B, but coin A may very well be higher "grade" with less detail.

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    what everyone else said.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Here are the Heritage pictures of the A coin in the holder, PCGS AU55. They are much better than the ones introduced at the start of this thread, the first pictures showing in the Heritage listing. I always use Heritage pictures showing the coin in the holder. The first Heritage pictures in each listing are only good for showing detail.


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  • basestealerbasestealer Posts: 1,579 ✭
    It looks cleaned to me. I like B.
  • joecopperjoecopper Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭
    I would pay more for B
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i like them both and will gladly accept either for my collection.
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  • cvan68cvan68 Posts: 113 ✭
    I like B better.
  • dwsswsdwssws Posts: 2,166
    now that I read the answer i say Bimage still like the die crack on A thoughimage
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not impressed with coin A. I understand the weak strike the late die state with the die cracks, but coin B is exactly what a nice high end and well struck AU should be. Coin B is terrific.

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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    B
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin from Heritage looks like crap from the slab picture -- bordering on bodybag material.

    RYK, what say ye? Is the coin really a dog, or is the pic deceiving?
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The coin from Heritage looks like crap from the slab picture -- bordering on bodybag material.

    RYK, what say ye? Is the coin really a dog, or is the pic deceiving? >>



    I have heard from someone who viewed coin A that it is dipped and unattractive. I have not seen it in person.
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    coin B
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,107 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The coin from Heritage looks like crap from the slab picture -- bordering on bodybag material.

    RYK, what say ye? Is the coin really a dog, or is the pic deceiving? >>



    I have heard from someone who viewed coin A that it is dipped and unattractive. I have not seen it in person. >>



    From an un-scientific look at the Summer FUN Heritage catalog, it seems that roughly 80% of southern gold is dipped and unattractive. Really a shame.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>The coin from Heritage looks like crap from the slab picture -- bordering on bodybag material.

    RYK, what say ye? Is the coin really a dog, or is the pic deceiving? >>



    I have heard from someone who viewed coin A that it is dipped and unattractive. I have not seen it in person. >>



    From an un-scientific look at the Summer FUN Heritage catalog, it seems that roughly 80% of southern gold is dipped and unattractive. Really a shame. >>



    One need not be a scientist to come to that conclusion. And it's not just the Summer FUN Heritage. Ever look at southern gold on the bourse? image Your 80% quickly becomes 95%.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    95%-99%... what is afew percentage points among friends...

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,683 ✭✭✭✭✭
    After seeing all the "B" votes, I feel compelled to say "B".

    "B"

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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
    If I were buying pictures I would buy B. But it I were buying one of the coins I would hold off until I could examine each in hand.

    The difference in lighting used present two very different looking coins. The images suggest that A is a bit softer struck and processed. The die crack is pretty cool though. Image B looks better struck and much more original. They both look like solid AU.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Coin B looks like it has better details. Coin A looks like it was handled recently or cleaned.

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