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And the next Presidential Dollar Major Error is...Madison Proof Doubled Die Reverse!

Look for your self, you will notice the hand on the torch, hair line, nose, eye, fingertips..etc....I found this in a set yesterday...it is the reverse of the Madison Dollar. Think the sets might start selling now??


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This is a normal image as it should appear for comparison.



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This is a normal image as it should appear for comparison.

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<< <i>How many of these coins did you find, and how many sets did you look at? >>
Sufice to say several out of 100 sets
I'll see what the first one goes for at auction, I'll send the others for certification.
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<< <i>How many of these coins did you find, and how many sets did you look at? >>
Sufice to say several out of 100 sets
I'll see what the first one goes for at auction, I'll send the others for certification. >>
With several found out of only 100 sets, it doesn't seem as if it is going to be particularly scarce, does it? Of course that doesn't mean it won't be an ebay gold mine.
<< <i>Likely strike doubling which is common in modern proofs........... >>
ya sure rain on his parade.
looks pretty much the same, and, based on the
scans, I'd say they exhibit "ejection" or "mechanical"
doubling, and do not appear to be double struck
coins.......
If you'd like, bring one or more to the ANA in Milwaukee,
and I'll be glad to examine them up-close and personal.........
Fred
looks pretty much the same, and, based on the
scans, I'd say they exhibit "ejection" or "mechanical"
doubling, and do not appear to be double struck
coins.......
If you'd like, bring one or more to the ANA in Milwaukee,
and I'll be glad to examine them up-close and personal.........
Fred
What is the difference between double-die and double struck?
then struck again - either in the collar, or with
the second strike off center.
A doubled die is just that - the DIE itself was
impressesed twice from a working Hub -
<< <i>Likely strike doubling which is common in modern proofs........... >>
I agree.
TD
A year of so ago, I had found a silver state quarter proof that had this same identical type of doubling... and got very excited thinking it was a major doubled, maybe even a tripled die. After careful study over time, I came to realize it most likely is machine doubling, since the motto had that same wide flattened shelf that was not frosted...... even though much of the doubling was frosted......
I would certainly take Fred Weinberg up on his offer to look at them at a coin show.... he will definitely give you the real story on whether they are the real thing or not.
I didn't know the coin was out yet?
Edited: Doh, it's a proof...
--Christian
Double die is when the die is stamped (processed) it is impressed a second time just a bit off. Every single coin would look the same (at least in EDS). The double die coins would have a rounded look not a flat look like this image.
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Also the fact that this I have only found a few I had said several but the better term is a few, all on the Madison Dollar makes me believe it is a problem with the die itself. Maybe someone can show an example of ejection doubling to this extent on some other coin. Anyone?
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TD
The easiest way to tell if you have several is look at all of the ones that have doubling, compare it and if it's not exactly the same on every coin it's definitely only strike doubling. It looks like the best area to look at would be the finger tips on the torch. Real DDOs will be EXACTLY the same not just similar.
I have seen it on modern proofs.
Here's a 69 proof cent with strike doubling:
(like the 69 strike doubles crooks sell as DDOs on ebay)
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<< <i>what if it rotated ever-so-slightly between strikes? >>
I would think slight rotation of the die between strikes, not the coin.
One thing that can happen with proofs is tha since they receive two strikes, if machine doubling occurs on the first strike, the second strie can flatten and spread the "shelf" created by the machine doubling. I believe that is called flat field doubling.
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One thing to look for is the design element itself. On a true hub doubled coin, the element..say the torch or the finger...is actually 2 separate fingers or 2 separate torches-one overlapping the other. But on a stike or mechanical doubled coin the element...again say the finger or torch...is actually only ONE finger or ONE torch...with some sort of stiking on the normal sized element, like your example.
A better example. an outstretched hand is 5 fingers---mechanical doubling still shows 5 fingers, but a second imprint is often seen on the 5 normal sized fingers...
a true doubled die shows 10 fingers on the same outstretched hand, 5 slightly offset from the other 5.
<< <i>I see someone asked this question in this thread but no one answered. I have searched the mint site and I can not even find the release date for James madison. How did you get one? >>
It's part of the 4 coin proof set...
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Same coin?
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