Toned Kennedy
AlixTCat
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Here we have a coin that is toned. However I don't deal in toned coins and can't determine if it is NT or AT. Any input would be great. I got it from a true old collection, my boss's great aunt's husband collected dozens of them back in the 60's. They have been in albums and 2x2's for 40 years. But the colors look funny to me and on both the front and back.
Thanks in advance.
Jonathan
Thanks in advance.
Jonathan
I have been a collector for over mumbly-five years. I learn something new every day.
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<< <i>AT >>
So, should I dip it? LOL!!!!
Jonathan
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<< <i>AT >>
So, should I dip it? LOL!!!!
Dip it? It's fricken Kennedy. Melt it!
end toner?
i really like it when posts take an amazing twist like that :-)
amaze me!
<< <i>AT >>
Can't be, didn't you read the "story" they are from an old collection? Get with it dude!
<< <i>Fatman says....
<< <i>AT >>
Can't be, didn't you read the "story" they are from an old collection? Get with it dude!
Sorry, Thanks for setting me straight. Must be NT.
But those colors don't look like NT to me. So I thought I'd see what others, who have far more advanced knowledge of toning, think of this coin. I pulled it out of an old album. The kind of album with the slides obverse and reverse. Nothing else in the album was toned this way. Just normal brown edge toning.
Thanks again for all the input.
Jonathan
These would be a desireable toning other than a nice rainbow targeting.
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
please dont misunderstand us. if you feel the coin is legit that
is all that is important.
but when it comes time to sell it, alas, that is when this debate
begins.
can anyone be truly sure? no. pay accordingly then for toned coins
with your eyes wide open.
but at first glance, you coin screams improper storage.
<< <i>alixtcat,
please dont misunderstand us. if you feel the coin is legit that
is all that is important.
but when it comes time to sell it, alas, that is when this debate
begins.
can anyone be truly sure? no. pay accordingly then for toned coins
with your eyes wide open.
but at first glance, you coin screams improper storage. >>
I think that was what I was saying. Improper storage. Not necessarily AT as it was not toned that way on purpose.
However, if improper storage, would not the rest of the coins stored the same way look the same?
I don't feel the coin is legit, or I would not have posted it for input. But I don't know what was done to make it so colorful when the rest of the coins don't look like it. Perhaps the good ol' uncle was experimenting with surface colors back in the early 70's.
Jonathan
Edit... There won't be any "time to sell" as it is not my coin and my boss will not sell it or any of the coins her aunt left her.
<< <i>Dip it? It's fricken Kennedy. Melt it! >>
ROFL! Man that's funny.
I have never seen a coin tone that way in a 2X2 flip nor an album. If it did tone this way in an album send it in to be graded and let a TPG decide if it is acceptable. If it is you might be able to get a few $$$ out of it.
Take care,
Jonathan
My second experience was with a 1988 Proof Silver Eagle, which was stored in its original blue velvet case for 19 years. Like a fool, I sold it before I got back into collecting and found this web site. The coin had started to pick up a subtle, but beautiful blueish-purple tone, similar to your coin. None of the other Proof Silver Eagles in the whole group showed any other toning. I can't explain the occurance.
There are some good threads on toning, if you use the search function - read the one that discussed the science of toning. Also, go to TomB's website for another good resource.
I'd be curious if you could document what you might know about the storage conditions and history of the albums and the collection that this coin came from. It does seem to me that Halves, Quarters, and Dimes all tone a bit differently. I am sure that someone like TomB could tell you why.
Regards, jmski
I knew it would happen.
I knew it would happen.
I expected people would just say "AT" without explaining why. I know most people probably don't know why. The just want to jump on the bandwagon for some non-apparent reason.
I appreciate a thoughtful response such as yours. Even if it is AT, somehow artificially toning in an album in an attic for 30 years or more, one could at least be polite and point out why one thinks such a thing.
I thought the coin looked AT myself. I could not point out why though. That is why I posted it here for comments.
jmski, thanks for your comments.
Jonathan
If you feel that I jumped all over you, or was simply quick to jump on the AT bandwagon, I apologize. My tongue and cheek reply suggesting to melt it was nothing more than simple humorous banter in response to your suggestion to dipping it.
In your original post your simply requested input regarding AT/NT which is why I replied AT. Without getting into arguments about how the toning occurred, based upon the image, and the image alone, I am 99.9% sure that coin would not be holdered by a top tier TPG.
As to your new question concerning how the toning formed and why it is different from others in the same album you would have to know the history of the coin before it was inserted in the album. The toning looks to me to be chemically induced. That leads me to believe that the coin may have been dipped or cleaned with some kind of cleaner and not properly rinsed before it was placed in the album. One could argue that since it took 40 years to develop it is NT, but the characteristics of the toning are consistent with similar toning that can be created in minutes/hours.
<< <i>Jonathan,
If you feel that I jumped all over you, or was simply quick to jump on the AT bandwagon, I apologize. My tongue and cheek reply suggesting to melt it was nothing more than simple humorous banter in response to your suggestion to dipping it.
In your original post your simply requested input regarding AT/NT which is why I replied AT. Without getting into arguments about how the toning occurred, based upon the image, and the image alone, I am 99.9% sure that coin would not be holdered by a top tier TPG.
As to your new question concerning how the toning formed and why it is different from others in the same album you would have to know the history of the coin before it was inserted in the album. The toning looks to me to be chemically induced. That leads me to believe that the coin may have been dipped or cleaned with some kind of cleaner and not properly rinsed before it was placed in the album. One could argue that since it took 40 years to develop it is NT, but the characteristics of the toning are consistent with similar toning that can be created in minutes/hours. >>
My response, tongue in cheek, asking if I should dip it was in response to your sig line. I thought you'd get that.
I appreciate your current response. I should have been more clear in my original post as to the fact that I was seeking more than "AT" from a group of people.
Since the other coins don't exhibit this kind of toning, I would have to concur that it is not NT, although I don't know what may have happened to it before it made it into that album.
Thanks for your kind response. You were not one that made me feel "jumped on" but I do appreciate this latest response. I know nothing about toned coins and stay away from them due to that fact. Too many AT coins out there now and even the "so-called" NT ones look too good to be true.
Jonathan
If the coin toned over 30 years in an album, sitting in an attic - that is not artificial toning, in my book. Take a few minutes to document how the coin was stored, and found. Take a few photos. Then, take steps to store the coin in a stable environment.
The reason I posted that dime pic was so that you would see that the color development on your coin is almost identical to the color on a coin which I know to be original and beautifully toned. It is entirely possible that your coin is the real thing and if so, I don't know of many Kennedys that have toned that nicely. You might seek Russ's opinion as well. Regards, jmski
I knew it would happen.