Questiion for Stone or savy board members
1980scollector
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I got a PM stating he had some 66 high #'s for me and what would I give for them. He described individually(which I have the PM still).
I got the 7 high #'s and 2 of the 7 cards have creases and I PM saying 5 were ok but two have creases.
He is a big time 66 topps set guy that has PSA 10 quality vintage set then I get two cards that are VG at best and when I ask for the refund on the two cards I get the response well Morrellman and somebody else was satisfied so how do I know you are sending me the same cards?
Why would I spend 55.00 for 7 cards I needed only to get them and replace them with VG cards on two of them?
I have bought four lots and am usually ok but CREASES will not work for my sets.
I needed the 5 cards so what should I do?
This is part of the business that pains us that just do it for the love of the game.
I just want a 1960 topps and a 1966 topps set in EXMT condition and it seems to me
I better be prepared to buy two of everything and have one VG set and one EXMT set because on ebay it is about 25% accurate on the board it is 75% accurate grading.
I got the 7 high #'s and 2 of the 7 cards have creases and I PM saying 5 were ok but two have creases.
He is a big time 66 topps set guy that has PSA 10 quality vintage set then I get two cards that are VG at best and when I ask for the refund on the two cards I get the response well Morrellman and somebody else was satisfied so how do I know you are sending me the same cards?
Why would I spend 55.00 for 7 cards I needed only to get them and replace them with VG cards on two of them?
I have bought four lots and am usually ok but CREASES will not work for my sets.
I needed the 5 cards so what should I do?
This is part of the business that pains us that just do it for the love of the game.
I just want a 1960 topps and a 1966 topps set in EXMT condition and it seems to me
I better be prepared to buy two of everything and have one VG set and one EXMT set because on ebay it is about 25% accurate on the board it is 75% accurate grading.
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I am more pissed because he acted as if I swamped his cards for mine.
Just check your cards BEFORE they go out to a customer and we would not have this problem.
Just a darn headache to build sets these days. Finding the cards is difficult but finding them graded accurately is down right tough!
Not to get into a p*ssing match on board, the seller was me. The facts are that I had a 1966 raw set which I broke up when I started a graded set. I had some graded and some not. I was naive to have some of the graded as I did not understand centering issues etc. The cards for the most part had sharp corners but many were O/C which I fully disclosed when selling.
I have slowly sold off part of the set. I will drop names in this case both Winpitcher and Morrellman bought a number of cards from this set from me without complaints. I will humbly say that he gave me a small thank you on this board. I am conservative to the Nth degree when it comes to raw. I would not take money for a creased card. A corner may have a ding in it but again I fully disclosed it. I actually threw in a free card to Morrellman because it did not live up my selling standards.
I sold 1967's to Xbaggypants which were VG-EX. I described card in detail and he came back for a second sale without a hitch.
I may slam people on this board for many things like their man crushes, wanting to make a quick buck etc. but I believe in full honesty. Let me repeat that Mr. 1980scollector--I DO THINGS IN AN HONEST AND ETHICAL MANNER.
The cards were packaged securely and there were no creases in any cards when I sent them out. I will go to my grave knowing that. The fact that he claims not one but two of the seven were creased has no credibility.
All I will say is judging from previous posts by this seller that he is never going to be happy. Several of them are about unpleasant transactions, cases of doctored cards etc. I especially like this one ironically one year old today:
Happy Birthday
This is NOT a case of Caveat emptor, this is a case of someone who expects more than what was advertised. I have in the past refunded money when I was wrong, but giving anything back in this instance would be foolish and giving in to whining.
So game ahead flame away, send more ignorant PM's. I am done with you.
Steve
edited to add: I would hope that Frank refunds for the 2 cards as the buyer is unhappy with them. I would hope that had I was unhappy with any a refund would have been forthcoming to me.
Stone is out of town and I am taking over. That is my decree.
edited to an edit: frank seems 100% that he sent out crease free cards. how about refunding 9.00 then?
Steve
All I can tell you after your comments is this I RECIEVED YOUR CARDS 5 were as decribed TWO HAD CREASES and I do not care about the money what so ever but for you to act as if I am a thief and I thought you just made a mistake and overlooked the creases.
I think alot of people on here know me as NOT A THIEF!
I may have flaws but stealing is not one of them.
If you comments are true and you will go to the grave knowing those two cards were not creased just shows your pathetic narrow minded "IM RIGHT" attitude.
For the record YOU SOLD ME CARDS YOU described as Ex to EXMT range with the description of each card and they showed up at my house and TWO of the cards HAD CREASES and to that I swear on my twin sons lives.
Do I care if you did intentionally? No- Do I think you knew it? No
The way you handled it is hilarious over a 55.00 transaction!
It was 18.00 man! You are wrong about this situation and to say I would bait and switch two cards is too much for me to even comprehend!
It just shows the ugly pathetic side of this hobby!
Thanks for the 5 cards I needed and thanks for ripping me off and acting as if whatever you say is accurate.
Why not examine the cards and decide if indeed you made a mistake?
Why not at least believe perhaps I am not a 20.00 criminal!
as a matter of fact if we can get a reciept where he donates 18.00 to St. Jude Hospital I will send the cards back to him.
It is the fact he claims such harsh accusations over his oversight!
Not that it is any of your business, because it is not but I sponsor a girl in India each month for $40 so she can go to school. I am no hero for doing this and I thank my lucky stars I live in a country where $40 does not mean the difference between getting educated or not.
If you want to check out the charity it is:
Christian Foundation for Children and Aging
Ironically her birthday is in August and I will send her another $18 then so maybe you finally SHUT UP and GROW UP! If you send the cards back I'll put them in her birthday letter.
Here is a copy of my last payment from my Mastercard. (For my own protection I have deleted the reference number).
CFCA *SPONSORSHIP 8008756564 KS
Transaction Date 06/05/2007
POST DATE 06/06/2007
Transaction Amount $40.00
Reference Number
Merchant Type Charitable (non-political) organizations that solicit contributions
Method Card Number Captured 01 - Card Number manually keyed
Card Presence 1 - Card not present at time of sale
Billing Dispute Information
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I suggest you relax and just realize the almighty CZAR made a mistake. No need to call names and tell me to shut up or do anything ignorant that you might regret.
I just suggest all board members stay away from this guy because
1) he cannot see two cards with creases in them of seven cards sent
2) when you ask for the problem to be fixed he assumes you are a criminial and switching cards etc.
Talk about unprofessional- I guess because everybody in the steak house liked their steak mine must be good as well!
This guy is a total piece of crap!
Winpitcher- let me know your address and you can take a look for yourself at the cards I recieved!
1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better
Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete
Gotta love the philanthropic twist here.
Can't say I have seen this on the board before.
You'll work it out gentlemen. It's not much money.
Not to be cruel but my mind is twisted. Why did I get a visual of a little Indian girl staring in wonder at the two 66 Topps in her hand? She thinks, "What, no Beckham?" Had to chuckle a bit.
You're a good man for sponsoring the child. More should do the same.
Good luck to all.
Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12
Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
Man, that pic never gets old
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
I have this crazy idea? If a buyer is unsatisfied with your worthless creased cards you give them an opportunity to send them back? Call me crazy but that is just an idea
or go get your prescription checked grandpa because I can assure you I do not have time to go buy creased cards with the exact centering as your two cards to send back.
here is his description on the two creased cards
from blind eye frank-
I also have the Tiger Team card in PSA 7 for $100.
I have building this set in PSA 9 or better (I have 39 10's) and am #10 on the registry. I tell you this NOT to be a bragger, but to give my experience when pricing this set. Beckett's is a guide but there are cards that are in reality easier and more difficult to find.
Whatever you decide I wish you good luck.
Thanks,
Frank
567 Borderline O/C small corner wear $8
590 Close to a centering qualifier corner wear $10
Just a though.
John
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
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I believe pictures and/or scans are in order.
Lee
also you will note the two cards will BE EXACTLY the way he described them(centering t/b etc., corners) except for the crease in each card!
he will state in his PM things like almost OC qualifer and you willl see the exact description of the card mathces the card with a crease-
tommorrow I will get them online for you!
this is going to be hilarious!
1957 Topps 99% 7.40 GPA
Hank Aaron Basic PSA 7-8(75%)
<< <i>stown, I don't know about you, but I would be able to formulate a decision once I saw some scans. >>
Undoubtedly, sir.
I'm still struggling with the title. It either implies that in the absence of a reply from Stone, replies from savy board members would be welcomed, or that Stone and savy board members are mutually exclusive, or both.
Not sure that I'm savy, but I am a board member. I am not Stone. Where is the old man anyway?
<< <i>As a sexy board member here I've got quite a lot to say about this question. Bear with me as this is going to be a number of pages long regarding the word sexy and various philosophical ideas regarding sex. Okay here goes...Firstly...oops...I just noticed it said "savy" board members...never mind. >>
OK... now we're back to "let's see some pics".
1980's in my first post I said the Frank should refund you for the 2 cards. I believe that you are unhappy with them. It does not matter if they are creased or not. I was under the impression that when i dealt with Frank (or anyonefor that matter) that if I am unhappy I can return the cards.
I then when seeing how adamant frank was that he did not send creased cards that maybe you two could split the difference.
It is very possible that he missed the creases, it is also possible that they creased in transit.
I still say that you and he should work it out.
Frank, sigh, you should just accept the 2 cards back and refund the 18.00 Goodwill goes along way and I am sure others will then not hesitate to trade with you in the future.
Bottom line guys make sure you have a refund policy in place before you consumate a deal.
Steve
Mike is taking a break from BS like this.
he told me to mediate as I too am savvy.
Steve
That CDsNuts is one savy dude.
who knows and wish I could just be believed when I say I got the items(could have just said I never recieved item if I was some crook).
As a side note, when this much time elapses, kinda hurts the credibility, if you know what I mean.
<< <i>I'm gonna need to see a scan of the creases, and also a scan of the cards. >>
Lee,
If you need anymore pics of creases or scans of cards, please let me know
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
I just wanted some guidance on just to forget it or what. I was pissed because he acted as if I switched his EXMT cards for VG cards.
It was such a crock. WHy not just say dude I am not giving you your money back?
anyway, you guys don't need to give us such a hard time when we are just asking for help.
I understand you may think I am some idiot that switched cards and wants 18.00 for them! LOL!
However, I am a business man and just did not like the way the seller treated me after I brought it to his attention.
I will not bother you guys anymore after the pics are posted and sorry if I acted out of line.
Heck, I was going to offer covering the $18 but now, I dunno...
If you are going to run a reputable poster's name through the mud, I suggest posting evidence to prove your case at the time of the accusation.
3 days later, the popcorn becomes a little stale.
Frank came on and said he was the seller.
Steve
"He is a big time 66 topps set guy that has PSA 10 quality vintage set"
If the crease doesn't fit, you must acquit.
The damaged cards in question must be returned to the seller post haste. A youngster in India eagerly awaits.