How can I tell if this 180 degree rotated die Morgan is for real? (Updated 3/12/09 now in PCGS holde
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How can I tell if this rotated die Morgan is real? It has a 180 degree rotation. I weighed it on my postal scales and it weighs .9 ounces, I don't have any more sensitive scales available. I flipped the coin and it has some ring too it. In looking at the reverse under magnification, there are some suspicious looking areas where it might have been cut out.
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Charlie
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Charlie
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Charlie
Take it to a coin shop and ask a professional for his opinion.
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<< <i>I am getting ready to send some coins to NGC or PCGS for grading, would they check the coin for being fake if I submitted if for grading? >>
since they guarantee authenticity, they would have to. i hope i'm wrong, it's just a weird digi-pic, but the coin does'nt look right to me.
K S
Most of the countries where these fakes are made use medallic alignment so when they make their counterfeits they align the dies the way their home country coins are done. Any time a new date/denomination is reported to me the first thing I do is try to figure out if the coin is a manufactured fake (man made fakes) or if the coin is a counterfeit and lately most turn out to be counterfeit.
Could this mean the coin may actually be for real and not a counterfeit?
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Charlie
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Despite the order limits, I'm also disappointed that ANACS either ignored the rotation or missed it.
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Since the rotation is so obvious would there be any need to pay the additional $42 to get it noted on the holder?
<< <i>I am kind of slow sometimes, but I finally got around to sending this coin to PCGS for grading. I didn't say anything about the rotation, but I left it in the ANACS holder and it crossed over to PCGS genuine.
Since the rotation is so obvious would there be any need to pay the additional $42 to get it noted on the holder? >>
Call up customer service and tell them you had meant to point out the rotated reverse mint error (PCGS will call it a mint error), and that the coin is currently in a Genuine holder, but you want the rotation mentioned on the label. They'll probably tell you how to get it done, what it would cost, and if you could combine it with another order so that you're not being killed on shipping.
Of course, since it's already in PCGS plastic as a genuine coin, I don't think it'll be worth any more just because their label says "Rotated Reverse," since a 180° rotation isn't exactly a subjective thing. It could even backfire on you and they could take a closer look at authenticity if you point out the 180° rotation, then say it's bad after seeing something they missed.
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A man came to the shop buying Morgans for his collection. After a while he said he had one coin in his album that was "flipped". I determined it was a die rotation. That led me to here today to search.
IIRC this gentleman's was 1882. and my hope is he brings it in some time. Would gladly photograph and post here.
Now before anyone jumps on me for bringing up an old thread, let there be no mistaking the reason why.
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