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    1948 Leaf #54 Chuck Bednarik (Rookie Card)

    Chuck Bednarik was one of the most feared and crushing tacklers in the history of professional football. Born to Slovakian emigrants, Charles Philip Bednarik played football with the University of Pennsylvania after he returned from World War II. He became a “60 Minute Man” at Penn, playing both sides of the ball – center and linebacker. Appropriately, he sported the #60 jersey, as the Philadelphia Eagles selected him as 1949’s #1 Overall NFL Draft Pick.

    Hard-hitting Charlie developed a nickname, “Concrete Charlie.” Despite public perception that the nickname derived from Bednarik’s rough-tackling style, it is actually a moniker that came from his off-season occupation as a concrete salesman. As it turns out, the name fit appropriately on the field – never more so than when he made his notorious tackle on New York Giants running back Frank Gifford. Bednarik struck him so hard that “The Giff” missed the next 18 months of his career, and was never the same player again.

    Chuck’s athletic abilities and inspirational play became particularly distinct in 1960 when injuries forced the Eagles to ask their 12-year veteran to again play both sides of the line, just as he had in the early part of his career. “Concrete Charlie” again fulfilled 60-minute duties terrifically. He finished the season by capping the Eagles' 1960 NFL Championship Title win over the Green Bay Packers with a last-second, title-saving tackle. With just seconds remaining, the Packers' Jim Taylor appeared to be heading for a winning Packers touchdown until the last Eagle in his path, Bednarik, wrapped him up and slammed him to the ground. In fact, Bednarik stayed on top of Taylor for a few seconds so that the final seconds ticked off the clock, making sure that the Packers could not run another play.

    In retirement, Chuck’s relationship with the Eagles has been...well...pretty weird, dude. His on-again-off-again feud with current Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie stemmed from Lurie’s refusal to buy copies of Bednarik’s book for the entire team – an act that would have actually violated league rules. Bednarik’s grudge continued for years to the point where Chuck openly rooted for the Patriots to beat the Eagles in the 2005 Super Bowl! Bednarik has also openly criticized Deion Sanders when he played both sides of the ball, stating that Bednarik played tougher positions when he accomplished the feat with regularity. Chuck has since apologized and reconciled for many of the above incidents.

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    What kind of legacy do Chuck Bednarik’s fourteen NFL seasons leave behind? Here in 2010, the College Defensive Player of The Year Award is named “The Chuck Bednarik Award”, and Bednarik’s vintage memorabilia – along with much of vintage football memorabilia at large – has surged in value and popularity in recent years.

    His 1948 rookie sports card issued by the Leaf Gum Company is enormously popular with collectors. Why would that be? Many collectors curry aesthetic favor with the sweeping artistry of the early 1950s Bowman Football cards, issued just a few years later. Comparably, it can be opined that 1948 “Leafs” simply don’t look as good with their monochrome backgrounds and the odd dichotomy of players depicted in color uniforms with black-and-white flesh portions of their body showing.

    So then why is this card so popular? It’s the perfect storm of scarcity, Hall of Famer, a popular card issue, and rookie. The lack of artistic quality seems to be replaced by the quirky sort of caricature-like charm that the simple Leaf design exudes. Further, the fact that the Bednarik card is often cut “off-centered” such that the white frame surrounding the card has varying widths only heightens the pursuit of better-centered examples. It is also characteristic of any 1948 Leaf cards to have extraneous print marks and ink stains, further amplifying a hunter’s pursuit of a presentable example. The fact that Bednarik is donning his collegiate Penn Quakers uniform on the card does not at all diminish the desirability. An example graded PSA 8 brought over $38,000 in 2007. Whether seeking the Yellow Background or Orange Background variety, finding a pristine, high-grade example to surface can take years.

    Concrete Charlie may not have won a lot of friends, but he won nearly everything else – two NFL Championships, a Pro Football Hall Of Fame induction, eight All-Pro Selections, 1950s All-Decade Team honors, a spot on the 75th Anniversary All-Time Team, and, finally, his the retiring of his trademark #60 by the Eagles. His inaugural sports card has also won lasting adoration from modern football memorabilia collectors – one that is as hard to find as ... well ... concrete.

    So who would really pay thousands for an example of a card that many concede is not aesthetically fulfilling? Well, I can think of one person who is writing right now. His initials are “KW.”

  • I am looking to start this set in lowgrade PSA or raw. Anybody have tips for this set or extras to sell?
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am looking to start this set in lowgrade PSA or raw. Anybody have tips for this set or extras to sell? >>



    The best tip I can offer is patience. You can build a nice starter set in midgrade without breaking the bank. Once you start going for some of the high numbers or shooting beyond EX/MT condition, you will see a significant dent in the balance sheet.

    If you're looking for low grade, your best bet is to buy them already graded. Contrary to what you would expect, buying PSA 2's and PSA 3's is probably cheaper than buying similarly graded raw cards. When buying lower grade, pay attention to centering and eye appeal. There's a huge difference between a nice looking PSA 2 or PSA 3 and an ugly one and the price difference won't be very much. It pays to be picky and patient.
  • Does anyone have a Mint 9 from this set? I have never even seen one and would like to.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, finally!

    Entered the last card to complete the Basic Set (still need 14 for the PSA version of the Master Set -- although I'm sitting in the #1 All-Time spot).

    About 2 years on the journey and now it's time to attack the upgrades and get the overall average to 6.00...
  • Congrats Scott.
  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭


    << <i>Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, finally!

    Entered the last card to complete the Basic Set (still need 14 for the PSA version of the Master Set -- although I'm sitting in the #1 All-Time spot).

    About 2 years on the journey and now it's time to attack the upgrades and get the overall average to 6.00... >>



    Awesome news, Scott, congrats!

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    I am sitting at just under 90% complete... but am in no particular rush to "complete" it since I know it will always be a work in progress as I continue to hunt upgrades.

    Snorto~
  • Entered the last card to complete the Basic Set

    Congrats! Welcome to the club Scottimage
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the kind words, guys!

    As Scott said, this set is never ending. There are still just over a dozen that I need for the Master Set (primarily the one of a kind White Backgrounds), but interestingly, I've got about another dozen that aren't cataloged, including a couple of other White Backgrounds (one that is graded the highest of any WB but not labeled as a WB).
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    The fun pat, now, will be going after upgrades for both condition and centering (eye appeal). I honestly believe that eye appeal will be the greatest asset if/when I ever have to sell it off. I think the hardest upgrade challenges will be finding a truly EX/MT or better Bednarik or DiMarco that are sharp AND centered.
  • On the Vintage Sportscard Trading Thread, which some don't read, I just updated the following card for sale. I will offer it here as well:

    Below is a Doak Walker rookie card priced at $549. There may be no other mid-grade Doak RC with more eye appeal.

    PSA 6 Doak Walker RCs with lesser eye appeal than the below have sold for over $600 at least twice before. The VCP average, which include many poorly centered examples, is over $450.

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    1948 Leaf #4 Doak Walker (RC) (HOF) PSA 6......$549
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Well, I bought a few variations for upgrades and took a shot at this Bednarik hoping it would be able to pull a PSA 6. It's got a serious shot, but regardless, it's a lock PSA 5, so it was a reasonable buy. I absolutely loved the centering hence the reason I put a strong snipe in on it. Anyone that has looked for or has Bednariks knows what I'm talking about. I was pleased when it arrived today. My fear was that there might be wrinkles or trimming, but it's clean and unaltered. Wish me luck while it gets ready to head West...

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  • CSUrunandstunCSUrunandstun Posts: 573 ✭✭✭
    If anyone is interested, I have the following '48 Leafs available all in PSA-6 NQ holders...

    Van Buren
    Walker
    Baugh



    Regards,

    Fletch
    Successful transactions with FavreFan1971, ffishonn, Davemri, Publius, DavidPuddy, frcarvell, recbball, and many others...
  • OTW - best of luck on submitting the raw Bednarik.

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    Another 1948 Leaf Philadelphia Eagles HOFer is the subject of a current auction house offering that has probably garnered significant notice. That is the Steve "Big Boy" Van Buren rookie graded PSA 8.5, 1-of-1, none higher, currently being offered at Goodwin & Co. The auction ends next week. That auction house has consistently and indefatigably attracted some of the highest quality 1948 Leaf Football for quite some time now. Additionally, at times the cards display fantastically in their handsome auction catalog. Here's a look at the stellar Big Boy:

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    It appears that Big Boy's blue background contains some print interruption, which makes me wonder why it was awarded the 0.5 bonus. The PSA card grading standards expressly state that the quality of the print is a criterion in considering the 0.5 point. Perhaps other criteria were overwhelmingly positive.

    In any case, it is a fantastic card and perhaps one of the most important pieces of Philadelphia Eagles sports memorabilia extant. It has already been bid to a value commensurate with it's rarity and importance, and it will be most interesting to see where it all ends.

    *Note: I employed the word "indefatigable" above expressly for the amusement of one Joe Squires.
  • benderbroethbenderbroeth Posts: 1,699 ✭✭
    i love this thread!
    my t-205's


    looking for low grade t205's psa 1-2
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Heavy bummer as the grade popped today on the Bednarik.

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    I will say that it is the nicest looking PSA 5 that I've seen and I'll post the slab when it arrives. The one positive was that I was able to get it labeled as the "Orange Background," so now I'm officially over 90% on the Master Set...
  • DavemriDavemri Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭
    Wow, I thought 6 minimum. That is one beautiful card!


    Dave

    FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow, I thought 6 minimum. That is one beautiful card!


    Dave >>



    Thanks, Dave. I thought so, too. There's a little wear on the right upper edge and the left corners are a little loose, but I figured at least warranted the .5 love while holding out hope for a PSA 6. Regardless, it fills the "Orange Background" hole (only the second graded) in the Master Set, so I'll worry about bumping it at a later date. Now, I'm down to only needing the White Backgrounds they have listed until they finally add the ones I already have. At least they identified the Governalli helmet variations on this sub even though they aren't showing in the Pop Report, yet.

    Still waiting for the PSA/DNA lot to pop...
  • PubliusPublius Posts: 1,306 ✭✭


    << <i>Wow, I thought 6 minimum. That is one beautiful card!


    Dave >>



    Ditto that Scott. Jasen and I were talking about this card the other day, I was thinking psa 6, outside chance at a 7. Without a doubt, THE nicest psa 5 Ive ever seen then.

    I'd buy it from you..... image

  • Hello All,

    Figured I would add my name to the list of people attempting to put this set together.

    I have a question for those who have gone before me: How successful have you been in crossing-over 1948 Leaf football cards from SGC to PSA? I know SGC is a little more lenient on centering, and I was wondering if PSA downgrades more severely.

    I have attached a scan of a card I purchased off ebay with the intention of crossing it over to PSA. (Note: I used the scan from ebay, as I have paid for, but not yet received, the card.) Any thoughts on how PSA will grade it?

  • Welcome to the Boards

    First of all, that Thompson card presents very well in the SGC holder. I don't think PSA will cross it to a PSA 7 without the "OC" qualifier. That said, you can submit the card for crossover and request it meet a minimum grade with no qualfiers. If it doesn't meet that criteria, than to leave the card in it's SGC holder. You can contact Cosetta or any of the great registry contacts and they can walk you through on how to submit he card correctly. Let us know the results.
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
  • Thanks, Fabfrank. I appreciate the advice.

    I agree, the Thompson looks great in the SGC holder. (I think it's a great looking card no matter the holder.)

    I am trying to build the set in PSA 6 or better—long term goal that should take years to complete—but I am most concerned with eye appeal/presentability.

    I'll let you know what happens.



  • BigDaddyBowmanBigDaddyBowman Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Don't break it out of that beautiful SGC slab!
  • BDB,

    Tell me how you REALLY feel. image Kidding.

    I guess I should wait and see if I can find another Thompson in a PSA holder for my registry set. If I can't find a suitable one, then I can always cross my SGC one over. I have to remember sometimes that this is a marathon for me and not a sprint! No need to rush to add a card to my registry.

    (By the way, I would have responded to your post sooner, but I was distracted by your collection. Awesome stuff! I think I am going to go spend another half an hour or so drooling over your photobucket page.)

  • recbballrecbball Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭
  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    The longer I collect this set, the more it grows on me.

    I just recently picked up this nice PSA 6 high #:

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  • Southsider- That's a really nice 6. Although it's OC top to bottom, it really presents well. Congrats.
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
  • recbballrecbball Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭
    '48 Leafs are on e-Bay $0.99 auction ending Thur night 04/21
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  • recbballrecbball Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭
    A lot of raw '48 leafs ended last night on the bay, I was the under bidder on the Evans and a few others I needed, but I managed to get Sarkesian to fill a hole. Hopefully it will come back a 5.
  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A lot of raw '48 leafs ended last night on the bay, I was the under bidder on the Evans and a few others I needed, but I managed to get Sarkesian to fill a hole. Hopefully it will come back a 5. >>



    I was the winning bidder on 12 of them. I will be down to needing only 2 cards to complete my set once I have this lot graded. I'm pretty happy with the prices, a large lot of high numbers doesn't come along all that often. I was pretty surprised with the Evans going as high as it did. I was outbid by quite a bit on that one.
  • recbballrecbball Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭
    What do you think this Evans 7.5 will close for?

    Evans 7.5

    Whoever wins this, please consider selling me your lower grade Evans if you are upgrading, thanks.
  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    Yes, also consider selling me your lower grade Evans.

  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Well, it isn't a card, but I've been searching for some neat companion pieces for my Master Set... When I saw this, I knew I had to have it and didn't let price get in the way. I know of only a couple of wrappers and have never seen one for sale, but until this popped up in the Dreier Collection, I didn't even know a wax box existed...

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  • WOW!!image
    That box is amazing!

    If I can ask, how much was that prize?
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
  • recbballrecbball Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭
    image Wow, can't be too many of those out there.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>WOW!!image
    That box is amazing!

    If I can ask, how much was that prize? >>



    Thanks! It isn't a pretty number. With BP and S/H, just under $2900... But like I said, I HAD to have it.

    Now I have to track this bugger down, but without the 1949 copyright...

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  • I have no idea what an item like that would be worth, but when you gotta have it, you gotta pay the price. Congrats
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭


    << <i>Well, it isn't a card, but I've been searching for some neat companion pieces for my Master Set... When I saw this, I knew I had to have it and didn't let price get in the way. I know of only a couple of wrappers and have never seen one for sale, but until this popped up in the Dreier Collection, I didn't even know a wax box existed...

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    Freakin' EPIC! I've never seen one of those before and, given the scarcity of the wrappers alone, was wondering if any boxes had survived. Awesome pick up, Scott, congrats!

    Snorto~
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What do you think this Evans 7.5 will close for?

    Evans 7.5
    >>



    Pretty reasonable price considering there's only about 92% of the card in the holder... The two PSA 6's over the next week or so will fare quite nicely in price relative to the PSA 7.5 mini, considering they are whole cards...
  • recbballrecbball Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Pretty reasonable price considering there's only about 92% of the card in the holder... The two PSA 6's over the next week or so will fare quite nicely in price relative to the PSA 7.5 mini, considering they are whole cards... >>



    Trimmed or miscut?
  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    By the way, I'm selling some of my extra 48 Leafs over on the BST board 48 Leafs.

    I'll throw them up on Ebay tomorrow night sometime if they are still available.
  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What do you think this Evans 7.5 will close for?

    Evans 7.5
    >>



    Pretty reasonable price considering there's only about 92% of the card in the holder... The two PSA 6's over the next week or so will fare quite nicely in price relative to the PSA 7.5 mini, considering they are whole cards... >>



    I see one up for sale now is at $469 already. Is there another one on ebay that I'm not seeing?
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Scott unbelievable score! Very nice and congrats!
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Pretty reasonable price considering there's only about 92% of the card in the holder... The two PSA 6's over the next week or so will fare quite nicely in price relative to the PSA 7.5 mini, considering they are whole cards... >>



    Trimmed or miscut? >>



    Not miscut...
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I see one up for sale now is at $469 already. Is there another one on ebay that I'm not seeing? >>



    Patience... There will be another shortly.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    So, one Evans down and another one still to finish. Hope you guys have gotten your fill. Probably won't see another for awhile...
  • recbballrecbball Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭
    I got the last Evans, which puts me at 100% with a 5.234 avg. image
    Started the set on 10/30/08
    Very challenging set to put together.
    Will put up a scan when I get it.
    Thanks,
    Tom
  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    So that was you. image I guess I probably cost you a couple bucks on that one. At least now I know that there will be one less bidder for the next one when/if it comes up. If anyone reading this thread has upgraded their Evans or Girard, please PM me if you like to sell your duplicates.

  • 1960toppsguy1960toppsguy Posts: 1,127 ✭✭
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So that was you. image I guess I probably cost you a couple bucks on that one. At least now I know that there will be one less bidder for the next one when/if it comes up. If anyone reading this thread has upgraded their Evans or Girard, please PM me if you like to sell your duplicates. >>



    Can't have this Girard (or my regular one, either)... image

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  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    Okay, well I ended up winning the Evans PSA 7 for less than the last two PSA 6's sold for. But, I actually think that's the right result, since the PSA 7 doesn't look as nice as either of the PSA 6's. Anyway, one down, one more card to go - Earl Girard you are now in my sights.
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