Boopotts. Thanks for understanding what I wrote. I didn't think what I wrote would be so hard for some to understand. Basically SGC told me they do not cross over high dollar cards for fear of damaging them. Mickey71
"As a baseball card collector, I see no incentive at all to consider SGC."
Which changed into:
"Frankly, I believe that SGC has a superior grading scale, the nicest holders, and the best sets of eyes authenticating and grading cards."
And then you take some passive jabs at PSA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stown- point well taken. I do believe SGC has a great product, but I'm perplexed by these "specials" which seem to be completely counterproductive in creating business/winning new customers/keeping current customers. Others, including srs1a, might be correct when they point out that SGC might already have all the volume they can handle. Maybe I'm a cheapskate, but a buck saved per card is worth waiting for, and I'm curious about how long SGC is going to want to keep their customers waiting for a decent grading deal.
Regarding my thoughts on PSA, you have a very loose definition of what a jab is. All I want to know is collectors' thoughts on how well PSA is doing in preventing slabbed fakes. Obviously, a lot of us have good money tied into the PSA graded cards in our collections. It's realistic to want to know what people see PSA doing to protect our collections/investments/etc. Like I said earlier, the top-graded 1959 Topps Venezuelan card on the PSA POP list (#40 Spahn PSA 6) is a plain-as-day American card with 1/100th of the value of the real thing (if it existed). Is this just a rare mistake? That's what I want to know.
<< <i>BTW, if SGC is going out of business, why did Mastro choose them to authenticate the lions share of the Lionel Carter collection? Do you think that having that collection in SGC holders rather than PSA holders kept the prices down for Mastro? I don't think Mastro would have made a decision that they thought would have had a negative impact on their bids. >>
Did you not catch all of the clues that SGC excels in grading pre-war cards?
Anyone who regularly checks all the major grading companies' sites may have noticed how lousy SGC's "specials" have been in the recent past. I didn't think they could do it, but they hit a new low this month:
Hockey/Basketball Special - 1950-present: Complete set (90% or better), $6/card, $500 maximum value, 20 day turn-around
Nonsports Special - Any 20th century non-sports card: $6/card, $1000 maximum value, 20 day turn-around
There are a lot of smart folks on these forums who can straighten me out on this one, but isn't the big money in baseball and not Munsters? Are there many collectors itching to send several hundred modern hockey cards to SGC for grading? As a baseball card collector, I see no incentive at all to consider SGC. >>
I have recently spoken with Joe Orlando on the phone, and he told me that "graded non-sports cards" have "exploded in recent months (...he was talking about "the increased amounts of non-sports material being submitted to PSA").
Seeing both PSA and SGC running "non-sports card specials", just might mean that "The Munsters" may soon bring some "scary graded prices"!
<< <i>We should keep in mind the people who usually praise SGC have an agenda -- usually to tear down PSA -- by spreading vicious lies and dishing out scandalous rumors.
I would steer clear of SGC. I've been told by my law enforcement sources that the local prosecutor in Parsippany is investigating the company on allegations of dogfighting...yes, DOGFIGHTING! Supposedly, there have been reports that pieces of broken plastic shards have been found on some carpeting and there might be some buried slabs on SGC property.
Hey, if you want to support dogfighting, by all means, have your cards graded by SGC.
It wouldn't surprise me if the people who submit cards to SGC also hate our troops, because that's how those people are. >>
I sure hope that your post is tongue and cheek...because if not..its pretty offensive..and simply absurd.
rbjr1- thanks for the insight on the non-sports issues. BTW, what is the story behind the card on the top left? It looks like James Dean eating a bird's egg on a U-boat...
<< <i>BTW, if SGC is going out of business, why did Mastro choose them to authenticate the lions share of the Lionel Carter collection? Do you think that having that collection in SGC holders rather than PSA holders kept the prices down for Mastro? I don't think Mastro would have made a decision that they thought would have had a negative impact on their bids. >>
Did you not catch all of the clues that SGC excels in grading pre-war cards? >>
Yes I did. But if you check the Mastro auction of the Carter collection, SGC graded the 48 Bowman set, the 48 Leaf set (Ruth 96, Williams, Spahn and Wagner 92s), '51 Bowman Mantle 96, Wilson Franks set, 55 Topps set, 59 Topps set, 63 Topps set, 65 Topps set, 70 Topps set, and 67 & 69 Kahn's. Those issues are PSA's bread and butter.
My collection is pretty well mixed, so its a non-issue for me. I collect cards, not holders.
Anyone who regularly checks all the major grading companies' sites may have noticed how lousy SGC's "specials" have been in the recent past. I didn't think they could do it, but they hit a new low this month:
Hockey/Basketball Special - 1950-present: Complete set (90% or better), $6/card, $500 maximum value, 20 day turn-around
Nonsports Special - Any 20th century non-sports card: $6/card, $1000 maximum value, 20 day turn-around
There are a lot of smart folks on these forums who can straighten me out on this one, but isn't the big money in baseball and not Munsters? Are there many collectors itching to send several hundred modern hockey cards to SGC for grading? As a baseball card collector, I see no incentive at all to consider SGC. >>
I am thinking the opposite. Ussually poor specials means business is good, not bad. They apparently do not feel they are hurting enough to provide many discounts.
Just to clarify some things, it was the 1914 set that sold for over 800,000. The 144 card set, along with 2,500 other cards, were found by a NY woman in a shoe box which had belonged to her uncle who died during WWll and had been kept untouched since the time of his death...
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Thanks for understanding what I wrote. I didn't think what I wrote would be so hard for some to understand.
Mickey71
From your first post:
"As a baseball card collector, I see no incentive at all to consider SGC."
Which changed into:
"Frankly, I believe that SGC has a superior grading scale, the nicest holders, and the best sets of eyes authenticating and grading cards."
And then you take some passive jabs at PSA.
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Stown- point well taken. I do believe SGC has a great product, but I'm perplexed by these "specials" which seem to be completely counterproductive in creating business/winning new customers/keeping current customers. Others, including srs1a, might be correct when they point out that SGC might already have all the volume they can handle. Maybe I'm a cheapskate, but a buck saved per card is worth waiting for, and I'm curious about how long SGC is going to want to keep their customers waiting for a decent grading deal.
Regarding my thoughts on PSA, you have a very loose definition of what a jab is. All I want to know is collectors' thoughts on how well PSA is doing in preventing slabbed fakes. Obviously, a lot of us have good money tied into the PSA graded cards in our collections. It's realistic to want to know what people see PSA doing to protect our collections/investments/etc. Like I said earlier, the top-graded 1959 Topps Venezuelan card on the PSA POP list (#40 Spahn PSA 6) is a plain-as-day American card with 1/100th of the value of the real thing (if it existed). Is this just a rare mistake? That's what I want to know.
<< <i>BTW, if SGC is going out of business, why did Mastro choose them to authenticate the lions share of the Lionel Carter collection? Do you think that having that collection in SGC holders rather than PSA holders kept the prices down for Mastro? I don't think Mastro would have made a decision that they thought would have had a negative impact on their bids. >>
Did you not catch all of the clues that SGC excels in grading pre-war cards?
<< <i>Just throwing this one out there...
Anyone who regularly checks all the major grading companies' sites may have noticed how lousy SGC's "specials" have been in the recent past. I didn't think they could do it, but they hit a new low this month:
Hockey/Basketball Special - 1950-present: Complete set (90% or better), $6/card, $500 maximum value, 20 day turn-around
Nonsports Special - Any 20th century non-sports card: $6/card, $1000 maximum value, 20 day turn-around
There are a lot of smart folks on these forums who can straighten me out on this one, but isn't the big money in baseball and not Munsters? Are there many collectors itching to send several hundred modern hockey cards to SGC for grading? As a baseball card collector, I see no incentive at all to consider SGC. >>
I have recently spoken with Joe Orlando on the phone, and he told me that "graded non-sports cards" have "exploded in recent months (...he was talking about "the increased amounts of non-sports material being submitted to PSA").
Seeing both PSA and SGC running "non-sports card specials", just might mean that "The Munsters" may soon bring some "scary graded prices"!
rd
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<< <i>We should keep in mind the people who usually praise SGC have an agenda -- usually to tear down PSA -- by spreading vicious lies and dishing out scandalous rumors.
I would steer clear of SGC. I've been told by my law enforcement sources that the local prosecutor in Parsippany is investigating the company on allegations of dogfighting...yes, DOGFIGHTING! Supposedly, there have been reports that pieces of broken plastic shards have been found on some carpeting and there might be some buried slabs on SGC property.
Hey, if you want to support dogfighting, by all means, have your cards graded by SGC.
It wouldn't surprise me if the people who submit cards to SGC also hate our troops, because that's how those people are.
I sure hope that your post is tongue and cheek...because if not..its pretty offensive..and simply absurd.
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I was happy to purchase these SGC's recently! Nice cards, great prices!
rd
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Smokestack Lightning (Live) 1968
Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
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<< <i>BTW, if SGC is going out of business, why did Mastro choose them to authenticate the lions share of the Lionel Carter collection? Do you think that having that collection in SGC holders rather than PSA holders kept the prices down for Mastro? I don't think Mastro would have made a decision that they thought would have had a negative impact on their bids. >>
Did you not catch all of the clues that SGC excels in grading pre-war cards? >>
Yes I did. But if you check the Mastro auction of the Carter collection, SGC graded the 48 Bowman set, the 48 Leaf set (Ruth 96, Williams, Spahn and Wagner 92s), '51 Bowman Mantle 96, Wilson Franks set, 55 Topps set, 59 Topps set, 63 Topps set, 65 Topps set, 70 Topps set, and 67 & 69 Kahn's. Those issues are PSA's bread and butter.
My collection is pretty well mixed, so its a non-issue for me. I collect cards, not holders.
<< <i>Just throwing this one out there...
Anyone who regularly checks all the major grading companies' sites may have noticed how lousy SGC's "specials" have been in the recent past. I didn't think they could do it, but they hit a new low this month:
Hockey/Basketball Special - 1950-present: Complete set (90% or better), $6/card, $500 maximum value, 20 day turn-around
Nonsports Special - Any 20th century non-sports card: $6/card, $1000 maximum value, 20 day turn-around
There are a lot of smart folks on these forums who can straighten me out on this one, but isn't the big money in baseball and not Munsters? Are there many collectors itching to send several hundred modern hockey cards to SGC for grading? As a baseball card collector, I see no incentive at all to consider SGC. >>
I am thinking the opposite. Ussually poor specials means business is good, not bad. They apparently do not feel they are hurting enough to provide many discounts.