Jeter is one of the best shortstops to play the game. Sure, hated as a Yankee and not an Ozzie Smith in the field. He's the CURRENT leader of the best baseball team in the history of the game.
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I never mentioned Mazeroski and you said that Jeter is the current leader of the best baseball team in the history of the game. Either you meant to say franchise or you've forgotten alot better teams in your time.
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Jeter is a great player and an above average fielder. He plays hard and has great hustle. Does he deserve 3 gold gloves? no way. They tend to hand those out to OFFENSIVE minded players rather than truly rewarding the best defensive SS et.al at the respective positions.
I'm a Mets fan here in NY, but I have to admit that Jeter is a special player, and will be a first ballot lock for the HOF when all is said and done.
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<< <i>I'm a Mets fan here in NY, but I have to admit that Jeter is a special player, and will be a first ballot lock for the HOF when all is said and done. >>
When all is said and done Jeter will break all kinds of Yankee records and some Major League records too. If Jeter stays healthy he will be the first player to get 3,000 Yankee hits. Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle never accomplished this feat in their HOF careers. All Major League teams would love to have this guy.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
THIS is why most guys on this board (who aren't Yankee fans--and there are alot of us guys), post when there is some Derek Jeter talk--you compare him to Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle?!?!?!? Yes, he'll probably get 3000 hits but NO, there isn't a GM alive or dead who would take Jeter over ANY of those 4--he's not in the same league, stop comparing him to them!!! Is he a great Yankee?--YES? Is he the best who ever lived?--not even CLOSE! And 3000 hits is very impressive, I'm not knocking him, but he's not God, and he hasn't won a damn thing in 7 seasons! Now let the blasting begin, I'm due. Jay
you compare him to Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle?!?!?!?
When a player is going to surpass another player and break a team record it is the logical thing to do.
and he hasn't won a damn thing in 7 seasons
Poor Derek Jeter I feel so sorry for him. He will probably cry at the end of the season when it is the first time he hasn't made the post season in his career. 10 AL East Championships, 6 pennants, and 4 World Series rings in 11 seasons is just not good enough for Jeter.
How many post season appearances did the Expos make in their 36 year existence?
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Holy Cow..... First ballot HOF, no doubt. Yes, not Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, DiMag, Gehrig or Mantle. Best all around player in his position in his era. Captain of 4 WS Teams, multiple accolades to boot. Hated by cry babies who wish he was on thier team, or stupid.
Toyboy - get a life. You're just a hater. Joe Carter, et al was many moons ago. Yeah - stick to hockey lore about great teams because you ain't got one to root for in baseball.
BobFettacheese - you don't have a clue. Thanks for weighing in with your cheesy expertise. In the last 20 years, the AL Gold Glove at Shortstop has been dominated by MANY fair offensive players such as Mark Belanger, Rick Burleson, Alan Trammel, Alfredo Griffin, Tony Fernandez and Omar Vizquel. Made offensive contributions to their teams, but not dominant. A-Rod, Ripken and Jeter are a new bread of ass kickers who can play the field and hit with dominance.
Morgoth - yes, best franchise. You must be some kind of twit who is an analyst for a widget company. The best team in the history of baseball was the 1927 NY Yankees. The teams Jeter has been on are a close second to any other team in the history of the game - see rings.
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HAHAHA, oh now I'm a hater. I've said it time and again, he's a great player, period. But no, sorry, 200 million plus, highest payroll by an entire team year after year and all you can boast about are pennants? You're kidding right? My Expos went to the post season once, and now they are no more. Too bad for me. I still root for great players and enjoy watching Jeter. I actually like the guy. It's great to have a player that you really like and can cheer for (I loved Tim Raines and Andres Galarraga), but he is certainly NOT an all-time great. When all is said and done (say in 8 or 9 years when he hangs up his spikes), they may talk about Griffey from this era, or maybe even some will talk about Bonds, but NO ONE will talk about Jeter, and that's my point. Why does it bother me that guys put him up there with Mantle and Dimaggio so much, I don't know?--but this is a public forum. I can say my peace like anyone else here. That's all, good luck to the Yanks, good luck to the Sox, whoever wins, but enough about Jeter guys, come on! Jay
1. Yanks payroll not even close to those numbers in the pennant years. 2. Just goes to show once again that high payroll does not equal pennants. That arguement is the most tired of all.
When all is said and done (say in 8 or 9 years when he hangs up his spikes), they may talk about Griffey from this era, or maybe even some will talk about Bonds, but NO ONE will talk about Jeter,
LOL. Now you are a hallucinating. Jeter will be talked about forever as one of the best Shortstops that ever played the game. Have you noticed how the price of Jeter autographed memorabilia is going through the roof lately?
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
During the last 10 years Jeter has the most hits in the majors.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
It was F-Rod on the mound, no crime in that. Of course Jeter would have to be batting 1.000 in that type of spot to quiet somebody with "B",s for eyeballs.
DH, actually I am a research scientist. You can just admit you meant to use a different word as I was just pointing out that was a pretty strong overstatement of this years Yankees team. I never reverted to name calling or demeaning Jeter so I don't know why your so angry.
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Jeter is batting .605 this year when there are 2 outs and runners in scoring position.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>Is Jeter the worst defensive shortstop in the major leagues? >>
Is this the dumbest question I've ever seen on these boards? >>
I do not think it is clear that he is the worst, but he might be. I have certainly seen dumber things said on this board. If you wish to defend his fielding, please do so with data, not antecdotal evidence. I do not care how many Gold Gloves he has won. Many Gold Gloves have been awarded to undeserving recipients.
<< <i> do not think it is clear that he is the worst, but he might be. I have certainly seen dumber things said on this board. If you wish to defend his fielding, please do so with data, not antecdotal evidence. I do not care how many Gold Gloves he has won. Many Gold Gloves have been awarded to undeserving recipients. >>
<< <i> Jeter's % was 13 out of 24. Guess he's not the worst fielder in the league, nor "might" he be. Dumb question. >>
Thanks for the work Jlb but completely unnecessary as that was stated by someone who obviously doesnt know their baseball or is bitter. >>
Fielding percentage? I did know that anyone still considered that to be a useful tool for evaluating defenders. In The Fielding Bible, Bill James (I will take his statistical analysis over the opinion of anyone here) wrote prior to the 2006 season that the six of the seven worst defensive seasons by a shortstop in the last 30 years belong to Jeter. The seventh belongs to Wil Cordero. His article is in the front of the book.
Look at the zone rating and range factor for the evidence presented in "support" of Jeter. They negate the argument you are trying to make.
The overrating of Jeter's fielding comes primarily from two plays, one was what I call the mistake play. That is the one where Giambi did not slide into home plate because of pure idiocy and lack of hustle. The other is the one where Jeter dove into the stands 'after' he caught the ball. This is hailed as one of the greatest plays ever by Jeter fans and is posted on here. I saw a play far better than that one, by leaps and bounds, and it was at Soldiers Field by a regular guy.
This guy was sitting in seats directly behind the field goal post right next to the runway...of which the ground of the runway was appx 15-20 feet below him. A field goal was kicked though the upright, and this guy jumped over the partition, caught the ball in mid air ABOVE THE OPEN RUNWAY, fell down below and held onto the ball! Amazing!
Don't be fooled by the occasional eye appealing play by Jeter, it is THE BALLS HE DOES NOT GET TO that make him a below average fielder!
There are many MLB shortstops who don't have two famous plays PUBLICIZED like that on their resume, but who are vastly better fielders.
Jeter is a lock HOFer and I love his continued excellence at the plate...he has the only chance on the horizon of passing Rose's hit record. He also has a year or two where he should have garnered more MVP consideration. But he is simply not a + fielding SS.
I agree entirely. BTW, Jeter is above average on popups (according to the article referred to previously). As you note, his weakness is the large number of ground balls he does not reach.
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<< <i>Is Jeter the worst defensive shortstop in the major leagues? >>
Is this the dumbest question I've ever seen on these boards?
Jeter is a great player and an above average fielder. He plays hard and has great hustle. Does he deserve 3 gold gloves? no way. They tend to hand those out to OFFENSIVE minded players rather than truly rewarding the best defensive SS et.al at the respective positions.
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<< <i>I'm a Mets fan here in NY, but I have to admit that Jeter is a special player, and will be a first ballot lock for the HOF when all is said and done. >>
agreed, I still hate him.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Yes, he'll probably get 3000 hits but NO, there isn't a GM alive or dead who would take Jeter over ANY of those 4--he's not in the same league, stop comparing him to them!!! Is he a great Yankee?--YES? Is he the best who ever lived?--not even CLOSE! And 3000 hits is very impressive, I'm not knocking him, but he's not God, and he hasn't won a damn thing in 7 seasons! Now let the blasting begin, I'm due.
Jay
When a player is going to surpass another player and break a team record it is the logical thing to do.
and he hasn't won a damn thing in 7 seasons
Poor Derek Jeter I feel so sorry for him. He will probably cry at the end of the season when it is the first time he hasn't made the post season in his career.
How many post season appearances did the Expos make in their 36 year existence?
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
First ballot HOF, no doubt.
Yes, not Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, DiMag, Gehrig or Mantle.
Best all around player in his position in his era.
Captain of 4 WS Teams, multiple accolades to boot.
Hated by cry babies who wish he was on thier team, or stupid.
Toyboy - get a life. You're just a hater. Joe Carter, et al was many moons ago. Yeah - stick to hockey lore about great teams because you ain't got one to root for in baseball.
BobFettacheese - you don't have a clue. Thanks for weighing in with your cheesy expertise. In the last 20 years, the AL Gold Glove at Shortstop has been dominated by MANY fair offensive players such as Mark Belanger, Rick Burleson, Alan Trammel, Alfredo Griffin, Tony Fernandez and Omar Vizquel. Made offensive contributions to their teams, but not dominant. A-Rod, Ripken and Jeter are a new bread of ass kickers who can play the field and hit with dominance.
Morgoth - yes, best franchise. You must be some kind of twit who is an analyst for a widget company. The best team in the history of baseball was the 1927 NY Yankees. The teams Jeter has been on are a close second to any other team in the history of the game - see rings.
But no, sorry, 200 million plus, highest payroll by an entire team year after year and all you can boast about are pennants? You're kidding right? My Expos went to the post season once, and now they are no more. Too bad for me. I still root for great players and enjoy watching Jeter. I actually like the guy. It's great to have a player that you really like and can cheer for (I loved Tim Raines and Andres Galarraga), but he is certainly NOT an all-time great. When all is said and done (say in 8 or 9 years when he hangs up his spikes), they may talk about Griffey from this era, or maybe even some will talk about Bonds, but NO ONE will talk about Jeter, and that's my point. Why does it bother me that guys put him up there with Mantle and Dimaggio so much, I don't know?--but this is a public forum. I can say my peace like anyone else here.
That's all, good luck to the Yanks, good luck to the Sox, whoever wins, but enough about Jeter guys, come on!
Jay
2. Just goes to show once again that high payroll does not equal pennants. That arguement is the most tired of all.
LOL. Now you are a hallucinating. Jeter will be talked about forever as one of the best Shortstops that ever played the game. Have you noticed how the price of Jeter autographed memorabilia is going through the roof lately?
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
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<< <i>I see Jeter was pretty clutch in the 9th inning today, with the game on the line. >>
You know you would be creamin your jeans to have a SS like Jeter on the Bosox! Wasnt it RIP that said that he was dreamy? LOL
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
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<< <i>Is Jeter the worst defensive shortstop in the major leagues? >>
Is this the dumbest question I've ever seen on these boards? >>
I do not think it is clear that he is the worst, but he might be. I have certainly seen dumber things said on this board. If you wish to defend his fielding, please do so with data, not antecdotal evidence. I do not care how many Gold Gloves he has won. Many Gold Gloves have been awarded to undeserving recipients.
<< <i> do not think it is clear that he is the worst, but he might be. I have certainly seen dumber things said on this board. If you wish to defend his fielding, please do so with data, not antecdotal evidence. I do not care how many Gold Gloves he has won. Many Gold Gloves have been awarded to undeserving recipients. >>
Here is last years fielding % stats -
NAME GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR
Omar Vizquel, SF 152 148 1281.1 599 205 390 4 87 .993 4.18 .864
Adam Everett, Hou 149 146 1292.1 688 202 479 7 105 .990 4.74 .905
David Eckstein, StL 120 119 1029.0 547 178 363 6 87 .989 4.73 .857
Jimmy Rollins, Phi 157 156 1378.0 670 213 446 11 96 .984 4.30 .818
Michael Young, Tex 155 155 1356.1 747 241 492 14 113 .981 4.86 .836
Khalil Greene, SD 113 111 998.2 456 138 309 9 60 .980 4.03 .851
Edgar Renteria, Atl 146 146 1265.1 597 185 399 13 76 .978 4.15 .816
Jhonny Peralta, Cle 147 145 1275.1 710 235 459 16 95 .977 4.90 .817
Juan Uribe, CWS 132 127 1130.0 604 217 373 14 84 .977 4.70 .868
Derek Jeter, NYY 150 149 1292.1 610 214 381 15 81 .975 4.14 .810
Orlando Cabrera, LAA 152 152 1321.2 645 253 376 16 100 .975 4.29 .818
Jack Wilson, Pit 131 129 1130.0 642 198 426 18 88 .972 4.97 .837
Miguel Tejada, Bal 150 150 1294.2 675 238 418 19 108 .972 4.56 .824
Yuniesky Betancourt, Sea 157 156 1374.1 701 251 430 20 95 .971 4.46 .806
Jose Reyes, NYM 149 148 1320.1 583 176 390 17 72 .971 3.86 .858
Clint Barmes, Col 125 122 1073.2 582 193 371 18 89 .969 4.73 .845
Angel Berroa, KC 131 129 1117.1 573 188 367 18 95 .969 4.47 .791
Bill Hall, Mil 127 126 1090.1 511 173 321 17 56 .967 4.08 .829
Royce Clayton, Cin/Was 129 121 1055.0 529 171 340 18 54 .966 4.36 .815
Rafael Furcal, LA 156 156 1371.0 790 270 493 27 117 .966 5.01 .822
Hanley Ramirez, Fla 154 153 1323.1 695 258 411 26 111 .963 4.55 .786
Ronny Cedeno, ChC 134 130 1130.2 528 148 357 23 64 .956 4.02 .838
Carlos Guillen, Det 145 144 1235.0 634 178 428 28 88 .956 4.42 .832
Felipe Lopez, Cin/Was 155 152 1337.0 604 187 389 28 79 .954 3.88 .788
Jeter's % was 13 out of 24. Guess he's not the worst fielder in the league, nor "might" he be. Dumb question.
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Jeter's % was 13 out of 24. Guess he's not the worst fielder in the league, nor "might" he be. Dumb question. >>
Thanks for the work Jlb but completely unnecessary as that was stated by someone who obviously doesnt know their baseball or is bitter.
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Jeter's % was 13 out of 24. Guess he's not the worst fielder in the league, nor "might" he be. Dumb question. >>
Thanks for the work Jlb but completely unnecessary as that was stated by someone who obviously doesnt know their baseball or is bitter. >>
Fielding percentage? I did know that anyone still considered that to be a useful tool for evaluating defenders. In The Fielding Bible, Bill James (I will take his statistical analysis over the opinion of anyone here) wrote prior to the 2006 season that the six of the seven worst defensive seasons by a shortstop in the last 30 years belong to Jeter. The seventh belongs to Wil Cordero. His article is in the front of the book.
Look at the zone rating and range factor for the evidence presented in "support" of Jeter. They negate the argument you are trying to make.
This guy was sitting in seats directly behind the field goal post right next to the runway...of which the ground of the runway was appx 15-20 feet below him. A field goal was kicked though the upright, and this guy jumped over the partition, caught the ball in mid air ABOVE THE OPEN RUNWAY, fell down below and held onto the ball! Amazing!
Don't be fooled by the occasional eye appealing play by Jeter, it is THE BALLS HE DOES NOT GET TO that make him a below average fielder!
There are many MLB shortstops who don't have two famous plays PUBLICIZED like that on their resume, but who are vastly better fielders.
Jeter is a lock HOFer and I love his continued excellence at the plate...he has the only chance on the horizon of passing Rose's hit record. He also has a year or two where he should have garnered more MVP consideration. But he is simply not a + fielding SS.