# 1 All Time Finest 1960 Set on Andy Madec Auction
pb19991
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Wow, i just clicked the page for Andy Madecs current auction from the Psa website and see that Tony Marino is apparently selling his #1 All Time Finest 1960 Topps Baseball set. what an incredible set Tony has put together, i'm a little sad to see it being sold and even more sad i can't even come close to being able to afford to bid on. good luck with the sale T. Phil
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WOW, up to 98,505.00
Joe
Next bid $108,000
You are 100% right that Spence will win and 100% right he is a shoo-in for the PSA Set Registry Hall of Fame this year.
I would go even further and say I think at this point that his collection is the best on the registry and potentially better than even the famous Dreier collection although I would defer to Anthony Nex on that one which would mmake it the best in the hobby.
I still may have a chance at the 1960s Topps Megaset award this year if I can find the time to register my set.
Jim
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what a truly massive collection of cardboard.
you think seller will recover what he has invested in his set by end of auction? i would say no IMHO
julen
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<< <i> would go even further and say I think at this point that his collection is the best on the registry and potentially better than even the famous Dreier collection although I would defer to Anthony Nex on that one which would mmake it the best in the hobby >>
Sorry Jim, IMO not even close. Maybe appproaching top 5 though.
edited to add: this is based on what I've seen of Mr. Spence's collection as listed on the registry. He could have 10x that in raw cards, and if he's got a huge stash of raw K Bats and Just So's and Boston Garters then all bets are off.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Consider the gact for what Don Collects there is usually 1 or 2 at most above him and he has some of the most sought after sets in the world.
You really think only approaching the Top 5? Look again at what is on the registry and think of 5 better.
Jim
I have no doubt among registry listed collections he's either at the top or near the top of the heap. But there are several dozen collections that I know of (and I'm sure many, many more that I don't know of) that are considerably more extensive. We just saw a small part of one in Lionel Carters offering in the last Mastro, and the sale of his cards will continue in the next few auctions. This is just one example, and from what I understand he didn't collect 19th Century cards at all.
I don't think you can compare condition rarites from '60's Topps sets to true rarites from Pre WW2 and the 1800's. Impressive, but not anywhere near the same league.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
The guy has the top(or one of the top) collection(s) on the registry and because of that almost by definition the top(or one of the top) one(s) in the hobby in almost every well-known pre-war set and most mainstream Topps and Bowman sets in the 1950s and 1960s.
There may be rarer cards and sets but likely the vast majority are low grade. I know you know the Dreier collection well but outside of this I don't see Lionel Carter's collection being comparable in value nor do I think its likely that others are.
Jim
Personally I respect both those who compile a large variety of sets and those who choose to either specialize in a rare issue or a common issue in highest of grades.
Tony thinks that the set will go for around $150,000...anyone that can loan me $149,999?
The real problem is the extra 17% you have to pay in addition to the winning bid!!!!
Perkdog...love your icon...
Spence who?
Collector
Topps 58,59,60,61,62,63,64 Sets
Fleer 60, 61-62 Sets
Who else but Don would bid that high?
Now if this was a Memory Lane auction maybe....
<< <i>I'd guess if the guys who bid $66K for a '62 Koufax or $44K for a '57 Koufax got in the action it could go up that high. I'm guessing it won't either, but it's not crazy to think it might. >>
The last two PSA 9 Koufax cards from 1960 went for $1,100 and $1,500, so I can't imagine that this Koufax PSA 10 is suddently worth tens of thousands of dollars.
Collector
Topps 58,59,60,61,62,63,64 Sets
Fleer 60, 61-62 Sets
<< <i>$150,000????
Who else but Don would bid that high?
Now if this was a Memory Lane auction maybe.... >>
You're bad Jim, you're bad.....
Jim
<< <i>
Tony thinks that the set will go for around $150,000...anyone that can loan me $149,999?
>>
If the seller was hoping for $150,000, is he disappointed with the price? Did he have more into the set than $108,000?
<< <i> believe the Koufax would probably be a 6 to 10 K card on it's own. PB >>
In this current market with 9's getting close to 10k from 62 etc I would bet this card would have gone for much much more than that
<< <i>Sorry Anthony I don't buy it.
The guy has the top(or one of the top) collection(s) on the registry and because of that almost by definition the top(or one of the top) one(s) in the hobby in almost every well-known pre-war set and most mainstream Topps and Bowman sets in the 1950s and 1960s.
There may be rarer cards and sets but likely the vast majority are low grade. I know you know the Dreier collection well but outside of this I don't see Lionel Carter's collection being comparable in value nor do I think its likely that others are.
Jim >>
The "best" is always a subjective judgement, but the Drier collection goes so far beyond the registry that there is no comparison. It's like comparing a private art collection to the Louvre. Both are substantial, both are impressive - but I believe it would be a physical impossibility to put together a collection of registry sets that could compare to the Drier Museum. You just can't believe the breadth of the issues and rarities housed there.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
So I understand. I have corresponded with Doug a couple of times and spoken with Anthony about it.
On my next trip to Los Angeles, Anthony was going to try to get he and I and Doug together that could possibly culminate in me seeing this stunning collection.
I would be thrilled(and honored) to see it.
I didn't know until recently you lived near Anthony. We have gone out to dinner with the famous David Vargha(now a Texan) and the GAI guys in the past when I visited Los Angeles. Would love to have you join us next time.
Jim
A PSA Gem Mint 10 Mantle/Boyer #160 sold for $7,943 in 2005 and $5,533 in 2006
these were some examles of Psa 10 HOF'ers selling in Psa 10 holders. these are both still pop 1 cards so they were the same copy of each being sold twice. PB
<< <i>A PSA Gem Mint 10 Mays sold for $10,330 in 2004 and $8,710 in 2005
A PSA Gem Mint 10 Mantle/Boyer #160 sold for $7,943 in 2005 and $5,533 in 2006
these were some examles of Psa 10 HOF'ers selling in Psa 10 holders. these are both still pop 1 cards so they were the same copy of each being sold twice. >>
koufax is a whole different animal. The mantle is not his main card and mays just does not have the same following as koufax . the koufax collectors have the money and spend it, a psa 8 66 opc sold for over 2k for example. look at what some of the 9's have sold for for topps cards
Andy also told me he tried to get Tony to pull the Koufax 10 to sell sparately and replace it with a 9. He feels the market for Koufax 10s is very good right now based on what he recently (October 2006) sold a 1957 PSA 9 (over $50,000) and 1962 PSA 9 (over $30,000) for. Unfortunately he sold my 57 PSA 9 in October of 2005 for under $8,000. What a difference a year can make.
Bill
when you submit a raw set to Mem, I mean, to an auction house...have they been known to cherry pick the gradeable 9's and 10's out of your set, send those cards in for themselves, replace submitted cards with NM versions (or lesser) and then auction your set for a much lower price than you'd have figured on?
"Sorry, due...the market's just been soft on complete sets" when the winning bid on your set comes in at 75% of book.
Or have I been watching too much CSI?
(Kudos to Andy for being upfront about that Koufax 10 to Tony.)
I usually sell my stuff on eBay, but a couple times I have used Andy when I was selling some high grade stars. Andy and Tony are both great people and I consider myself lucky to have them as resources. I trust them both. They have been absolutely honest and friendly towards me and I am far from being a big dollar customer.
Bill
I'd love to have a few 9s that they both need!!
Is it a coincidence that there's at least 8 PSA 9s from the 1960 set on EBAY over the next few days? Should be fun (for the sellers) to see how much these cards will go for.