EAC purchase #2 & #3

RYK

Barry

Very nice! Even a nice pic for a photo hack like you

Fletcher

Wow ... nice penny! Soooo, what exactly did you pay for your two cents from the show?

coinnut

Wow, nice one RYK !!!

speety

Sweet coin! If only your photoskills were as good

Just kidding, nice coin and thanks for the pics

RYK

The 1837 photo was one of my less sucky ones, taken this afternoon outside in the sunlight. The coin was sitting on my son's Roberto Clemente book.

Actually, I purchased a third large cent; I am hesitant to post my photo, as I am not very happy with it (the image, not the coin).

The coin posted earlier in this thread is an 1837 N4 (R2), listed as #10 in the Condition Census for the variety, and pedigreed to the James Stack collection. I have the original tags from the Stack auction and a subsequent Stack's auction.

Two observations:

1. It is confusing to me that the James Stack collection and James Stack are not related to the Stack's firm, other than that the Stack's firm auction the collection. Okay, I did not clear anything up with that.

2. True EAC collectors are obsessive about the Condition Census for the individual die varieties. I see this as a forerunner of the TPG pop reports and registries.

TomB

Both are superb.

speety

The date on that 1798 looks very strong, i like it!

FatMan

Very nice coppers.

RYK

The 1798 is an S-165 (R4) struck with misaligned dies (as I am told ). This explains why "LIBERTY" in the legend on the obverse is all but gone, while the detail is much sharper on the lower half of the obverse. Despite being only VG, it would rank in the lower end of the condition census for the variety. Both coins were purchased from 1798CoinCollector, a passionate collector of, you guessed it, 1798 large cents by variety and a very nice gentleman. In fact, this was probably the "nicest" and most laid back coin show I have ever attended. No grouchy dealers or rude collectors to be found.

agentjim007

Warning Large cents are addictive.

Aegis3

Quite nice coins.

BTW, what is the exact pedigree for the Stack coin? I've always been confused as to just when/where the Stack large cents were sold.

Longacre

Very nice!

I hope Doug Winter does not monitor these boards.

fc

hm. copper. ryk now collects copper.

maybe he will have to sell his half eagle collection in order
to support his new expensive copper addiction??? ;-)

mgoodm3

nice stuff.

291fifth

I like the idea of owning a Chain Cent. Unfortunately, I can't get excited about either the 1798 or 1837, even though the 1837 would make a very nice type coin.

1798CentCollector

Nice photo's RYK.



<< <i>EAC collectors are obsessive about the Condition Census for the individual die varieties. I see this as a forerunner of the TPG pop reports and registries. >>

Obsessiive and compilsive behaviors are required in EAC Just wait 'till the die state bug bites !!! The Condition Census can be controversial at times, but is much more reliable in some ways since each coin in the Condition Census is photographed, numbered, and recorded with pedigreed information. There cannot be duplication or errors in actual known numbers. The grades are Noyes grades, with some collaboration, So there's room for personal intrepretation and differences of opinion. The numbers in the top 10-15 examples for the Sheldons are probably fairly well established. Not many examples will come to light that would change this sequence. Since the 1999 Census was published ( and even the census as listed Noyes' 1991 book) the order has not changed measurably. The real beauty of the census, is that it does establish a photographic record and provenance of the known top 25 or more examples of the varieties. It also provides a reference point and benchmark in grading and condition - even though we all know that this (grading) can be a subjective and hotly contested or debated subject.

RYK

I received this PM from 1798. It provides some background on these two coins:

"The 1837 N-4 is tied for CC #10 in the Noyes census. So it’s on the official Condition Censusregistry. Noyes grades the coin a MS 60 net 60. Bill tends to be a little tough, on his grades. The coin was sold as an MS 63 in the 1983 stacks sale. I acquired the coin in a Stack’s Nov 2005 sale, where it was graded MS 63. I’ll send the lot description when I get home and can dig that out.

The S-165 is a very scarce variety and tough to find in higher grades. . This is one of the three “Wisker” varieties. The others being the S-166 and S-167. The “Wisker” is diagnostic. You can see a short downward “protrusion under Liberty’s chin. A die engraver’s error. Another diagnostic is the leaves overlapping the wreath stem at IC in AMERICA and evidence of and inverted T in STATES where the T was initially punched in upside down and then repunched in the correct position. Your coin shows this well with the serif of the upside down T quite evident. As you noted ( and I mentioned), the dies were misaligned when the coin was struck. This resulted in a heavy and wide rim around the date and the virtual absence of the legend LIBERTY.

The S-165 is an extremely hard coin to find in high grades and plain tough to locate in nice condition. The highest graded in the current Condition Census is an XF 40 net 40 coin. At number 5 in the Condition Census the net grades drop to F 15 net F 12 at the Condition Census #12 level. The grades continue on in the Fine and VG – G levels the rest of the way in the top 25. Your coin has not been photographed by Noyes ( to my knowledge), but graded at F 12 sharpness net VG 10, it would be slightly better than the current #17 coin in the Condition Census (graded at fine 15 net 10). Yours has fewer deductions so it would be ranked higher. "

CoinRaritiesOnline

Hi RYK. It was great seeing you at the show. Thanks for coming by the table, and congrats on those NEWPS!

LeeG

All are very nice and I would be proud to have them in my collection!!!!!!!!!

CoinAddict

Gorgeous coins.

DoctorPaper

Nice. Can you feel the old copper bugs burrowing under you skin? Looks like you're going to be a condition census kind of guy. I'm a die combo guy. There's room in the tent for all!!

EACer #3289

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i>2. True EAC collectors are obsessive about the Condition Census for the individual die varieties. I see this as a forerunner of the TPG pop reports and registries. >>



The great irony of this is that the traditionalist collectors are usually the guys with disdain for the Registry -

jhdfla

Nice coins!

BTW, the James A. Stack sale of quarters and halves went off in March 1975. They were outstanding coins. Funny, I had mentioned this sale to someone this morning while discussing the purchase of a seated half. My fav coin in that sale was lot 136, 1873cc WA Seated Quarter which which was from the Browning collection, I used to know a guy outside Philly who owned it for a while. Dunno who has it now. Even then it brought 80K. Sorry to digress into silver when you are asking about copper!

John D'.

Aegis3

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<< <i>2. True EAC collectors are obsessive about the Condition Census for the individual die varieties. I see this as a forerunner of the TPG pop reports and registries. >>



The great irony of this is that the traditionalist collectors are usually the guys with disdain for the Registry - >>



One compares coins, whereas the other compares numbers.