Defining AT: Color

JoeLewis

Are there certain colors, brightness/dullness of colors, or patterns of colors that leads you to determine that a coin is definitely AT?

GoldenEyeNumismatics

just about every color can occur naturally--put colors such as pumpkin orange or purple are rather rare.

ccmorgan

Why a separate thread for this?

mozeppa

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you know how threads get buried and mucked up....his first thread was on defining "intent".................this one is on defining the toning in questions coloring patterns that cause a coin to be deemed "at" or natural.

unfortunately many graders don't have that knowledge down to a science yet...and i fear that many many coins are lumped together in the "questionable color" category to avoid drawing a line in the dirt somewhere.





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JoeLewis

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I am trying to keep the arguments focused on one factor only. Otherwise, we get arguments like, "That coin is obviously AT...any reasonable person can tell that."

ricko

When you see such BRIGHT colors - such as the ASE and nickel discussed previously, it immediately indicates either AT or photoshopping... I have seen most colors, in subdues hues, on various NT coins... they are more like pastels. That being said, I have seen what would be termed AT (and justifiably so) that showed the NT colors quite nicely. Despite what many on this forum claim, I can assure you, AT is NOT detectable all the time... and those who claim that skill are wrong. I would not argue a 'high hit average'.. but no one, absolutely no one, can detect it when properly done. Cheers, RickO

JoeLewis

NT?

mgoodm3

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More of a photographic issue.

RotatedRainbows

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Back away from the saturation button.

JoeLewis

I did not take that picture. I took it off another thread. Anyway, some of those Morgans have incredibly vivid colors, and they are considered NT.

Sunnywood

1) The best BC Morgans have exceptionally vivid colors that took DECADES to form under natural storage conditions.

2) That particular image, however, is a type of scan which shows the colors in what I believe to be an excessively "neon fluorescent" fashion

3) There are thousands of Morgans with vivid rainbow bag toning, known factually to have been NT under natural storage conditions over a very long period of time.

4) The type of colors shown on the BC and the ASE would require exceptionally unusual natural conditions to form ... but the ASE has not had the time, nor is known to have been stored in such conditions. Also, the pattern of toning is not suggestive of a natural condition. The presumption here would be AT ... unlike rainbow-toned Morgans, which are widely known to have come straight from Mint bags in that condition. Further, Morgans have been collected for decades, so there are already thousands of coins out there with naturally acquired album or envelope toning ... the same cannot be said for the ASE.

Conclusion: BC Morgan, blatantly NT ..... ASE, blatantly AT

Best,
Sunnywood