Defining AT: Climate

JoeLewis

Suppose a person stores his coins in a climate that is known to cause toning on coins, is the toning considered artifical?

GoldenEyeNumismatics

there is no such thing as artificial toning.

There is just market acceptable and non-market acceptable

fc

i see a pattern here!

mozeppa

<< <i>i see a pattern here! >>



pictures please!

but then.....i really don't collect patterns.

ccmorgan

What about another thread "defining AT chemicals" and another "defining AT temperature treatment" and another "defining AT techniques" and another "defining the A in AT"

airedale

<< <i>Suppose a person stores his coins in a climate that is known to cause toning on coins, is the toning considered artifical? >>


What & where would that climate be? And did they take common sense precautions?

JoeLewis

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<< <i>Suppose a person stores his coins in a climate that is known to cause toning on coins, is the toning considered artifical? >>


What & where would that climate be? And did they take common sense precautions? >>



If they live in a very hot, humid climate. What if that person does not mind the toning? They do not want to do anything to stop it, but let nature take its course. Are they At'ing their coins?

tsacch

Suppose that multiple threads were combined, especially when the topic was basically the same..........

ricko

Ohhhh... cramps.. laughing so hard.. cannot even eat popcorn.... Cheers, RickO

mercurydimeguy

<< <i>there is no such thing as artificial toning.

There is just market acceptable and non-market acceptable >>



Profound....and brilliant at the same time!

/mdg

JoeLewis

<< <i>Suppose that multiple threads were combined, especially when the topic was basically the same.......... >>



I'm trying to help us define precisely what artifical toning is. Each factor was supposed to be examined to decide whether it should indeed be a part of the definition of AT. With AT being thrown around as often as it is, I'm surprised more people have not put forth their opinion on the matter.

Suppose posting a message that actually contributes something worthwhile to a thread.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>Suppose a person stores his coins in a climate that is known to cause toning on coins, is the toning considered artifical? >>

I do, and I have, and according to some grading services, the answer is yes.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>there is no such thing as artificial toning.

There is just market acceptable and non-market acceptable >>

I tend to agree with MDG that the above statement is succinct and dead-on. Sums it up nicely.

clw54

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<< <i>there is no such thing as artificial toning.

There is just market acceptable and non-market acceptable >>

I tend to agree with MDG that the above statement is succinct and dead-on. Sums it up nicely. >>


So if a person puts sulfur on it and then bakes it on a cookie sheet, it's not AT.

ccmorgan

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<< <i>there is no such thing as artificial toning.

There is just market acceptable and non-market acceptable >>

I tend to agree with MDG that the above statement is succinct and dead-on. Sums it up nicely. >>


So if a person puts sulfur on it and then bakes it on a cookie sheet, it's not AT. >>


As long as it's not intentional no. Oh wait......maybe that's the answer we're looking for. AT climate = your oven.

basestealer

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<< <i>there is no such thing as artificial toning.

There is just market acceptable and non-market acceptable >>

I tend to agree with MDG that the above statement is succinct and dead-on. Sums it up nicely. >>


So if a person puts sulfur on it and then bakes it on a cookie sheet, it's not AT. >>


That's right. I happen to store my entire collection in a convection oven. Prior to that I stored them in a rather unsafe place--buried in soil with bark from oak trees. I never knew they would tone as they did. I certainly didn't think the collection I stored in bleach bottles would tone--I only thought I was being clever hiding them from nosey neighbors. So my coins are all NT, because I didn't intend anything. And it was a complete accident when while soldering together 2 pieces of copper pipe, the blowtorch got the better of me and flamed my entire coin collection that was sitting near the motor oil.

ccmorgan

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<< <i>there is no such thing as artificial toning.

There is just market acceptable and non-market acceptable >>

I tend to agree with MDG that the above statement is succinct and dead-on. Sums it up nicely. >>


So if a person puts sulfur on it and then bakes it on a cookie sheet, it's not AT. >>


That's right. I happen to store my entire collection in a convection oven. Prior to that I stored them in a rather unsafe place--buried in soil with bark from oak trees. I never knew they would tone as they did. I certainly didn't think the collection I stored in bleach bottles would tone--I only thought I was being clever hiding them from nosey neighbors. So my coins are all NT, because I didn't intend anything. And it was a complete accident when while soldering together 2 pieces of copper pipe, the blowtorch got the better of me and flamed my entire coin collection that was sitting near the motor oil. >>


I keep my coins in the oven at 212*F. Mainly to keep humidity from toning them cause then it would be considered AT. Also to keep bacteria from ATing them. Then there's an added bonus the thiefs can't steal them cause they'd burn their hands.

JoeLewis

You guys are just proving that the whole AT vs. NT debate is ridiculous.

ccmorgan

<< <i>You guys are just proving that the whole AT vs. NT debate is ridiculous. >>


No but the way some define it or totally deny it, is. Of course a little sarcasm along the way doesn't hurt.LOL