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WhatafindWhatafind Posts: 432
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Can anyone tell me if they think this clip is a fake or what. ?? -? JEFFERSON - ELLIPTICAL DIE CLIP Item number: 230117493965
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  • N8N8 Posts: 505
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  • ColquhounColquhoun Posts: 545 ✭
    I am about as far as you can get from an error expert (but I am trying to learn), but looks fake to me. The design seems too strong all the way to the clip.

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    There's no Blakesly effect, my vote is fake.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake, uneven and no Blakesly.... Cheers, RickO
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,360 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There's no Blakesly effect, my vote is fake. >>



    Lack of a Blakesly Effect does not necessarily indicate a fake. If the coin is struck on type 1 (no upset rim) clipped blank, no Blakesly effect will be present. A better indication of a genuine clip is the metal flow around the clip and the "cut & sheer" effect on the edge within the clip.

    With that being said, it does look fake.

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  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a pretty funky outline for a curved clip. From your pics it's impossible to see any metal flow from the letters. A closer zoom of the lettering?
  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first impression when I saw that auction was the clip is real. It should not be a perfect arc, the pressure of the strike will cause a large clip like that to go "out of round" as the metal flows between the dies. Looking at it closer now, the area at the front of the jacket looks curious, as that is one of the deepest parts of the die I wouldn't necessarily expect to see that much metal flow into the clip right there. The rim at either end of the clip looks right, though, it has a slight "hook" which is distinctive and hard to fake. If I could see the edge inside the clip I could be more sure, but right now I'll go out on a limb and say it's a legitimate error.

    Also, just to nitpick, that is not an "elliptial" clip, it is just a very large curved clip, sometimes referred to as a "crescent clip" (think moon phases).


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  • WhatafindWhatafind Posts: 432
    Sean, thank for the help.
    Never give up the hunt!
    25 inf 1/14 Gold Dragons ,never surrender, over come and adapt
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭

    I think this is real. The clip is pre-strike thus the funky edge.

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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    I don't see the flow I would expect from a genuine clip. Where's Fred W?
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