Opinions on a 1921 Peace
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Just looking for a little feedback on a 1921 Peace Dollar
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Very nice and lustrous.
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Honestly it seems there have been quite a few Peace BB's lately, including one of mine.
I love the bright-white lustre too!
Could go either 63 (really clean fields; eye appeal; strike) or 62 (scuffs & ticks on cheekbone, cheek and eyebrow.)
<< <i>Nice strike, but really unattractive because of the dipping, IMO >>
I agree.
No character.
BTW, what's the tip off that it's been dipped?
--Severian the Lame
That being said, it's a valuable coin.
<< <i>They spelled 'TRUST' with a 'V', so I'll have to deduct half a point-- 63.5
BTW, what's the tip off that it's been dipped? >>
They look like this before they're dipped
(In my opinion)
<< <i>I was going to say the opposite of everyone here, that it has a rather weak strike for a '21, a year with notoriously strong strikes. And again the opposite, I wasn't impressed with the luster.
That being said, it's a valuable coin. >>
I'd like to find some "notoriously strong strikes" then.
Thats just not the case. Rarely do you find one that isn't weak. Hair over the ear, right center of eagle.
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<< <i>I was going to say the opposite of everyone here, that it has a rather weak strike for a '21, a year with notoriously strong strikes. And again the opposite, I wasn't impressed with the luster.
That being said, it's a valuable coin. >>
I'd like to find some "notoriously strong strikes" then.
Thats just not the case. Rarely do you find one that isn't weak. Hair over the ear, right center of eagle. >>
1921's were the best struck peace dollars.
Could go either 63 (really clean fields; eye appeal; strike) or 62 (scuffs & ticks on cheekbone, cheek and eyebrow.) >>
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1921's were the best struck peace dollars.
Man, you must'a been chopping some of them up and snorting them at the disco.
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1921's were the best struck peace dollars.
Man, you must'a been chopping some of them up and snorting them at the disco.
I know my stuff. Sorry you don't.
eom.
Even a fully struck 1921 will not show detail in the hair over Liberty’s ear – there wasn’t any detail there, and that was intentional. Some of the 1922s were well struck, but the dies were in low relief. This, combined with the broad, detail free expanses of the face and field, give the coins a flat, mushy look. Apparently, this is consistent with what de Francisci and James Fraser wanted since Fraser approved the low relief design on Feb 14, 1922.
<< <i>I was going to say the opposite of everyone here, that it has a rather weak strike for a '21, a year with notoriously strong strikes.... >>
So, let's see a couple, (or, since it's a year with Notoriously strong strikes), how about three, just three photos of notoriously strongly struck 1921 Peace dollars.
thanks in advance, I'm looking forward to them.
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basestealer, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but in this case you may want to reconsider scoffing at the others who have tried to correct you. while 1921 Peace Dollars have an undeniable higher relief to the detail, they are typically not fully struck and have the look of the subject coin-----weak/non-existent hair detail above the ear which often gives a flat, worn look, and a corresponding flat area at the eagles leg where it joins the body/wing.
with all that said, the coin looks like an MS63/64 and maybe not dipped out, just "blue" and washed out because of bad white balance.
Open mouth insert foot Basestealer....
of course you're used to that by now.
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1921's were the best struck peace dollars.
Man, you must'a been chopping some of them up and snorting them at the disco.
I know my stuff. Sorry you don't.
eom. >>
now that's got to be quoted.
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Open mouth insert foot Basestealer....
of course you're used to that by now. >>
pig
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1921's were the best struck peace dollars.
Man, you must'a been chopping some of them up and snorting them at the disco.
I know my stuff. Sorry you don't.
eom. >>
This made me laugh out loud in real life.
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Open mouth insert foot Basestealer....
of course you're used to that by now. >>
pig >>
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WOW!! There's some interesting reading in those search results !
OWN3D !!
<< <i>How'd you know?!
<< <i>1921's were the best struck peace dollars. >>
<< <i>I know my stuff. Sorry you don't. >>
Wow, to be so wrong and with such righteousness. Some of the people on this forum amaze me.
As for the 1921 peace dollar, it was the only year in which the coin was struck in high relief (twice, I believe). Following years the mint reduced the striking pressure and flattened the dies. We can argue over what "full strike" truly means, but my definition of it and the way I'm applying it here is that the 1921 peace dollars had better strikes, stronger strikes, and were struck as the original sculpter intended (contrary to what was posted here, the sculpter did not agree with the changes). Anyway, this isn't a contest. I couldn't care less if anyone's mind changes. It's just not that important.
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<< <i>1921's were the best struck peace dollars. >>
<< <i>I know my stuff. Sorry you don't. >>
Wow, to be so wrong and with such righteousness. Some of the people on this forum amaze me. >>
You and me both.....
<< <i>As an aside, you can see for yourselves (by searching past posts or googling those involved) that a small group of malevolent cyber-obsessed stalkers have taken their sights on me, having previously railroaded numerous others in much the same fashion. Their posts speak for themselves, so pardon my anger when responding further to any thread in which they've spawned.
As for the 1921 peace dollar, it was the only year in which the coin was struck in high relief (twice, I believe). Following years the mint reduced the striking pressure and flattened the dies. We can argue over what "full strike" truly means, but my definition of it and the way I'm applying it here is that the 1921 peace dollars had better strikes, stronger strikes, and were struck as the original sculpter intended (contrary to what was posted here, the sculpter did not agree with the changes). Anyway, this isn't a contest. I couldn't care less if anyone's mind changes. It's just not that important. >>
It reads just like it should.
Nearly all known specimens are lightly struck on the hair at the center of the obverse and often at the center of the reverse as well. In fact, fewer than 10 1921 Peace dollars out of 1,000 are very sharply struck."
I'm siding with Mr. Bowers on this one.
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<< <i>Maybe you should write a book and set the numismatic world straight, once and for all. >>
Everything I've said here is already in every book that discusses peace dollars.
Cheers!
I think the sum of all of your actions on this board speaks for itself if anyone actually does a search as you suggested (just did), rather enlightening to those that normally wouldn't GAF.
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<< <i>semantics. Lucky I don't pour over the typos on this forum--you'd all be ashamed, and I wouldn't have a free day till 2034. >>
Make that 2035...
"pore"
Great thread BTW...
Chicolini: Mint? No, no, I no like a mint. Uh - what other flavor you got?
<< <i>basestealer,
I think the sum of all of your actions on this board speaks for itself if anyone actually does a search as you suggested (just did), rather enlightening to those that normally wouldn't GAF. >>
The sum of my "actions"! LOL. Name an "action" you find unsuitable. Name one.
MS63
Not overdipped IMHO.
basestealer:
FR2
Overdipped IMHO