As someone striving to put together a commem set with the "look" that yours have, I can only say how impressed I am with your set. A standing ovation !!!!
Nice photo Bajjerfan. If I were looking at the coin to purchase I would have to conclude that there is a VERY good chance that it is AT for the following reasons.
1. It is target toned. (The first book I read in coming to this hobby was Travers' .... Survival Manual). In that book he states that some coin docs are VERY good at target toning. My guess is that this coin was potato- baked to achieve the toning - orange and blue apparently are common colors found in potato-baked coins (according to Travers). There are no transition colors in that coin. There are also no untoned shadows in the metal stressed areas around the stars and letters suggesting post-production heating.
2. The target toning appears on both sides. While target toning can occur after years in an album, I would expect it should happen to one side only.
3. That the coin has the same thing going on both the reverse and the obverse bothers me. My (albeit, limited) experience in viewing toners is that whatever happens to the obverse, something else typically happens on the reverse. That both sides are so similar leads me to suspect "doctoring".
4. Finally, there appears to be a fingerprint from about 9:00 - to 10:30 on the obverse. The coin not toning in the print suggests that the oil protected the surface from the chemical reaction. That could certainly happen in an NT coin that was handled prior to long-term storage wherein the coin toned naturally, but the look just suggests to me a relatively rapid reaction time with protection of the original metal beneath the fingerprint.
There is enough doubt in my mind that I would likely not purchase the coin (certainly not for a premium). If I liked it enough in hand, I might still buy it, but not with the conviction of it being naturally toned.
I hope my analysis did not just trash your favorite coin. If you like then you should own it.
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Here is the original pic as sold on TeleTrade. I keep the coin mainly as a sample thats probably pretty sure AT. I have posted it a number of times in the past as a sample thats highly likely AT. NGC ms63
Fatman, I love your San Diego. I purchased a 36 from Larry Shepard back in the 90s in a PCGS65 holder with incredible toning. Stretched and paid $200 for it, and everyone thought I was crazy. Had to sell it a few years later along with several other coins. Wonder what it would fetch today.... I have no idea what the commem toner market is like anymore.... Anyway, I digress. Great coins!
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-David
As someone striving to put together a commem set with the "look" that yours have, I can only say how impressed I am with your set. A standing ovation !!!!
Lincoln set Colorless Set
U.S. Type Set
1. It is target toned. (The first book I read in coming to this hobby was Travers' .... Survival Manual). In that book he states that some coin docs are VERY good at target toning. My guess is that this coin was potato- baked to achieve the toning - orange and blue apparently are common colors found in potato-baked coins (according to Travers). There are no transition colors in that coin. There are also no untoned shadows in the metal stressed areas around the stars and letters suggesting post-production heating.
2. The target toning appears on both sides. While target toning can occur after years in an album, I would expect it should happen to one side only.
3. That the coin has the same thing going on both the reverse and the obverse bothers me. My (albeit, limited) experience in viewing toners is that whatever happens to the obverse, something else typically happens on the reverse. That both sides are so similar leads me to suspect "doctoring".
4. Finally, there appears to be a fingerprint from about 9:00 - to 10:30 on the obverse. The coin not toning in the print suggests that the oil protected the surface from the chemical reaction. That could certainly happen in an NT coin that was handled prior to long-term storage wherein the coin toned naturally, but the look just suggests to me a relatively rapid reaction time with protection of the original metal beneath the fingerprint.
There is enough doubt in my mind that I would likely not purchase the coin (certainly not for a premium). If I liked it enough in hand, I might still buy it, but not with the conviction of it being naturally toned.
I hope my analysis did not just trash your favorite coin. If you like then you should own it.
–John Adams, 1826
Ankur
PCGS Registries
Box of 20
SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
I knew it would happen.
Below is another coin for your post.
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I was very fortunate to find a nicely toned Centennial set a year or two ago. Thinking about having it put into an NGC Multiholder.
–John Adams, 1826
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
-David
I knew it would happen.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Ankur
PCGS Registries
Box of 20
SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
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Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
Lincoln set Colorless Set
U.S. Type Set