<< <i>I think the Hall of Fame is really useless for honoring players. That said it is a great place for remembering the history of baseball. My opinion the Hall should (maybe it does) have sections detailing the 1919 Scandal, the Pete Rose gambling, and eventually the steroid cases. It really should be disconnected from the organized game of baseball.
As for whether Pete should get a job in the game again -- Which part of "lifetime ban" didn't you understand Pete?
So I guess I'm one of the "put his bust in the Hall", "tell his whole story", and don't ever let him into any baseball organization again. >>
I fully agree.
In regards to saying that the "immoral people currently in the HOF didn't have any impact on the game itself", that's true and false. All of the minority-hating, racist, whites only player who dominated baseball in the "golden era" did everything they could to prevent people who weren't white from playing in the game. Some of these players, who are currently in the HOF, would go so far as to threaten the lives of any minority who even thought about playing. PLEASE tell me how that didn't affect the game itself? Refusing to let a wide group of people into the game just because of the color of their skin?
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<< <i>dunno....people seem to have forgiven Clinton for his wrongdoings and blatant lies about it, and he was the friggin president...... >>
Presidents have been doing it for years and regardless if it's right or wrong, the public have accepted it. Don't ask, don't tell.
On the other hand, and as I said before, there is a sign in every single clubhouse (since the early 20's I believe) stating (paraphrased)
"THO SHALT NOT BET ON BASEBALL, PERIOD. YOU DO AND IT'S A LIFETIME BAN, PERIOD."
If there was a sign like that in the White House, bet you Monica wouldn't have sucked on Clinton's cigar
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players, managers, and whoever have been doing it for years too- gambling, steroids, drugs. but those who get caught and lie about it are in a different category.....but then, i'm for Rose to get in, but NOT for steroid abusers. even tho, one could argue that gambling itself could be performance enhancing. the only thing i know is that Rose was one of the most dedicated, serious players to ever play and his performance on the field was not enhanced by anything except the drive to win.
gambling is an addiction, a disease like alcoholism, drugs, food, sex, etc.... all have affected certain players performance. heck, it was widely known that Mantle would often show up and play, drunk off his ass in his later years. What about Ruth eating, drinking, smoking himself useless to the point where he would need someone to run the bases for him? and on, and on, and on....... i think the only thing that separates modern players from the older is the burden (or blessing) of the media, which has grown exponentially since the 80s
Pete Rose's "lack of morality" is not the actual reason he is not in the HOF. Until people can understand that we cannot really have a fair dialogue on the issue.
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In that case then the HOF should be removed from the control of Major League Baseball. The HOF recognizes accomplishments of the game itself, but it has (or should have) absolutely zero impact on the game. Yes, Rose should be banished from the game of baseball for life, but he shouldn't be banished from the HOF which only recognized accomplishments in baseball.
I get a kick out of the fact that the HOF is a part of Major League Baseball. Please tell me how many people who are in the HOF are playing the game right now?
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<< <i>I personally think that Rose belongs in the HOF but should NEVER be allowed to work for any Major League Team ever again. That means no managing, coaching, front office, scouting, Spring Training assistant, etc.
To put ANY of his accomplishments into the HOF such as his number of hits, world series victories, etc. but to not admit him into the HOF is downright hypocritical. >>
I agree, MLB really needs to make active baseball and the HOF two separate issues.
MLB doesn't control the Hall. The BBWAA decided to make everyone banned from baseball ineligible for election to the Hall. The BBWAA could change this if they wanted to, but as Rose sticks his foot deeper down his esophagus, it's not likely to happen.
The reason why Pete Rose is not in the HOF is attributable to Rules for Election, Rule 3.E. - "Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate. " Pete Rose was placed on Baseball's ineligible list in 1989. As best as I can determine, below are the only individuals on Baseball's ineligible list and the basis for being on the list. As long as he is on the list, it's not that the writers won't vote for him, but that they are CAN'T/ARE PRECLUDED from voting for him.
Additionally, as ESPN's Rob Neyer said, it officially called the "National Baseball Hall of Fame AND MUSEUM." (Emphasis added). A muspaeum is defined as an institution devoted to the procurement, care, study, and display of objects of lasting interest or value. The interesting rt is that the HOF makes up a small part of the Hall and Museum and rightfully so. The HOF pertains only to HOF players, managers, etc. But the museum? That's the history of approximately 150 years of baseball. The museum has toons of stuff related to Pete Rose. but the HOF? No way.
Bill Burns 1921 Involvement in the Black Sox Scandal Eddie Cicotte 1921 Involvement in the Black Sox Scandal Cozy Dolan 1924 Alleged by Jimmy O'Connell to have been behind attempt to fix a game in 1924 Phil Douglas 1922 Wrote a letter to Les Mann offering to desert the Giants, if rewarded, so that he wouldn't have to help John McGraw win the pennant (he was mad at McGraw for chewing him out) Jean Dubuc 1922 Involved with Hal Chase in fixing of games during the 1919 season Happy Felsch 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal Chick Gandil 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal Joe Gedeon 1921 Friend of Swede Risberg, knew about the Black Sox Scandal and placed bets for Risberg Joe Jackson 1921 Supposed involvement in Black Sox Scandal Benny Kauff 1920's Alleged to be involved in game fixing, but was actually banned by Landis after being charged in New York with auto theft and receiving stolen property, sued Landis for reinstatement after his acquittal on those charges, but lost Fred McMullin 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal Lee Magee 1919?? Confessed to having helped Hal Chase fix games in 1918 Jimmy O'Connell 1924 Told Philadelphia infielder Heinie Sand before a game in 1924 that "it will be worth $500.00 to you if you don't bear down on us too hard today." Gene Paulette 1919?? Accepted gifts from St. Louis gambler Carl Zork (Zork was also involved in the Black Sox Scandal) Swede Risberg 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal Buck Weaver 1921 Supposed involvement in the Black Sox Scandal Lefty Williams 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal Heinie Zimmerman 1919?? Involved with Hal Chase in game fixing during the 1919 season Pete Rose 1989 Official ruling: Conduct detrimental to baseball. Unofficial ruling: He had a gambling problem
The sad part of all this, though, is that if Pete had been honest and remorseful from the beginning of this saga, I do believe he would have been reinstated by now. But his own lies, deceit and arrogance did him in. Ironically, some of the same traits that made him such a fierce competitor (stubborness, arrogance, etc.) are what helped keep him off the HOF ballot. I don't believe he'll ever be reinstated at this point, even after his death.
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On a much brighter note, (assuming 2010 is his 10th and last year) how awesome would it be come 2015 (or is it 2016?) and Ichiro gives his HOF speech through a translator? Now that would be awesome.
On a much brighter note, (assuming 2010 is his 10th and last year) how awesome would it be come 2015 (or is it 2016?) and Ichiro gives his HOF speech through a translator? Now that would be awesome.
I'm not sure I'd put him in the HOF just yet, though he is well on his way. It'd be something if he can reach 3,000 hits with the late start he had, but if anyone can do it, he can.
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there is a sign in every single clubhouse (since the early 20's I believe) stating (paraphrased)
"THO SHALT NOT BET ON BASEBALL, PERIOD. YOU DO AND IT'S A LIFETIME BAN, PERIOD."
I don't know where that fairy tale started or who started it, but that is just not true. There is no such sign posted in every clubhouse.
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I hate to say this, but Ichiro has ZERO chance at 3000 hits. He currently has 1354 hits and is 34 years old. He'd have to average 200 hits for the next 8 years. I just can't see him playing when he is 42, much less getting 200 hits. Although Paul Molitor collected 225 hits (and led the league) when we has 40. Hmmm? I think I have to reconsider. I'll say it will be very difficult for Ichiro to get 3000.
Growing up I was Pete Rose. In 1970 I met his father during a Cincinnati Reds pickup basketball game when they played a local high school teacher team in my town. Pete's dad would be ashamed of him NOT for what he did when he was a player, but as a father, husband,dad, and manager . Barry, are you listening?
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It only took Rose 20 years to come clean and tell the truth. I guess he wants to make the Hall and cash in on that fame before he tips over. Rose is nearing 66 years old.
There is not a sign that states it in those terms, but there is a sign in the locker rooms that covers it. If I still had it I would quote it. It is much more professionally written, and my recollection is that there are a few other "rules" on it, but there most certainly is such a rule posted. Or at least there was in 1990 or so. I doubt that it has changed now.
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<< <i>there is a sign in every single clubhouse (since the early 20's I believe) stating (paraphrased)
"THO SHALT NOT BET ON BASEBALL, PERIOD. YOU DO AND IT'S A LIFETIME BAN, PERIOD."
I don't know where that fairy tale started or who started it, but that is just not true. There is no such sign posted in every clubhouse. >>
Fairy tale??
I have seen the sign in four different stadiums with my own two eyes: Astrodome, the old Arlington field, Kaufmann Stadium, and Minute Maid Park. Ask anyone who has visited a clubhouse and they will tell you the same, it's normally posted just outside of the locker room.
If you have a MLB team in your city/area, call up your local "beat writer" and they will confirm as well.
If that's still not good enough for you, make it worth my while and I'll pull a favor at MMP and personally take a picture of it.
PM me if interested.
Edited to add:
Yeah, what gregmo32 said above. As I said, that's paraphrased...
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL RULES - Rule 21: MISCONDUCT (a) MISCONDUCT IN PLAYING BASEBALL. Any player or person connected with a club who shall promise or agree to lose, or to attempt to lose, or to fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any baseball game with which he is or may be in any way concerned; or who shall intentionally fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any such baseball game, or who shall solicit or attempt to induce any player or person connected with a club to lose, or attempt to lose, or to fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any baseball game with which such other player or person is or may be in any way connected; or who, being solicited by any person, shall fail to inform his Major League President and the Commissioner.
(b) GIFT FOR DEFEATING COMPETING CLUB. Any player or person connected with a club who shall offer or give any gift or reward to a player or person connected with another club for services rendered or supposed to be or to have been rendered in defeating or attempting to defeat a competing club, and any player or person connected with a club who shall solicit or accept from a player connected with another club any gifts or reward for any such services rendered, or supposed to have been rendered, or who having been offered any such gift or reward, shall fail to inform his League President or the Commissioner immediately of such offer, and of all facts and circumstances therewith, shall be declared ineligible for not less than three (3) years.
(c) GIFTS TO UMPIRES Any player or person connected with a club, who shall give, or offer to give, any gift or reward to an umpire for services rendered, or supposed to be or to have been rendered, in defeating or attempting to defeat a competing club, or for the umpire's decision on anything connected with the playing of a baseball game; and any umpire who shall render, or promise or agree to render, any such decision otherwise than on its merits, or who shall solicit or accept such gifts or reward, or having been solicited to render any such decision otherwise than on its merits, shall fail to inform the League President or the Commissioner immediately of such offer or solicitation, and all facts and circumstances therewith, shall be declared permanently ineligible.
(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
(e) VIOLENCE OR MISCONDUCT IN INTERLEAGUE GAMES. In case of any physical attack or other violence upon an umpire by a player, or by an umpire upon a player, or of other misconduct by an umpire or a player, during or in connection with any interleague Major League game or any exhibition game of a Major League Club with a club or team not a member of the same league, the Commissioner shall impose upon the offender or offenders such fine, suspension, ineligibility or other penalty, as the facts may warrant in the judgement of the Commissioner.
(f) OTHER MISCONDUCT. Nothing herein contained shall be construed as exclusively defining or otherwise limiting acts, transactions, practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball; and any and all other acts, transactions, practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball are prohibited and shall be subject to such penalties, including permanent ineligibility, as the facts in the particular case may warrant.
(g) RULE TO BE KEPT POSTED. A printed copy of this Rule shall be kept posted in each clubhouse.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Yes, that is the same poster I have seen. Just couldn't recollect it after all these years.
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Pete broke a rule that cannot be forgiven. The importance of "no betting" was well explained by gregmo32 in one of the early posts to this thread. There is no whitewashing the clear danger of allowing players/managers/etc. to bet on baseball. And I don't care if 500 other players did the same thing. If they are caught, they should also get banned. It's inexplicable why someone who loves the game as much as Pete would risk certain banishment for betting, which tells me that Pete loved betting more than baseball.
They aren't wiping his accomplishments out of the record books. Pete still holds plenty of records which are officially recognized. If you let him in the HOF, what's the punishment? There ought to be some lasting stigma attached to breaking that rule, and keeping him out of the HOF seems appropriate.
Let him keep his records, and wear the scarlet P for Permanently ineligible.
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<< <i>I think the Hall of Fame is really useless for honoring players. That said it is a great place for remembering the history of baseball. My opinion the Hall should (maybe it does) have sections detailing the 1919 Scandal, the Pete Rose gambling, and eventually the steroid cases. It really should be disconnected from the organized game of baseball.
As for whether Pete should get a job in the game again -- Which part of "lifetime ban" didn't you understand Pete?
So I guess I'm one of the "put his bust in the Hall", "tell his whole story", and don't ever let him into any baseball organization again. >>
I fully agree.
In regards to saying that the "immoral people currently in the HOF didn't have any impact on the game itself", that's true and false. All of the minority-hating, racist, whites only player who dominated baseball in the "golden era" did everything they could to prevent people who weren't white from playing in the game. Some of these players, who are currently in the HOF, would go so far as to threaten the lives of any minority who even thought about playing. PLEASE tell me how that didn't affect the game itself? Refusing to let a wide group of people into the game just because of the color of their skin?
<< <i>dunno....people seem to have forgiven Clinton for his wrongdoings and blatant lies about it, and he was the friggin president...... >>
Presidents have been doing it for years and regardless if it's right or wrong, the public have accepted it. Don't ask, don't tell.
On the other hand, and as I said before, there is a sign in every single clubhouse (since the early 20's I believe) stating (paraphrased)
"THO SHALT NOT BET ON BASEBALL, PERIOD. YOU DO AND IT'S A LIFETIME BAN, PERIOD."
If there was a sign like that in the White House, bet you Monica wouldn't have sucked on Clinton's cigar
gambling is an addiction, a disease like alcoholism, drugs, food, sex, etc.... all have affected certain players performance. heck, it was widely known that Mantle would often show up and play, drunk off his ass in his later years. What about Ruth eating, drinking, smoking himself useless to the point where he would need someone to run the bases for him? and on, and on, and on....... i think the only thing that separates modern players from the older is the burden (or blessing) of the media, which has grown exponentially since the 80s
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I get a kick out of the fact that the HOF is a part of Major League Baseball. Please tell me how many people who are in the HOF are playing the game right now?
<< <i>I personally think that Rose belongs in the HOF but should NEVER be allowed to work for any Major League Team ever again. That means no managing, coaching, front office, scouting, Spring Training assistant, etc.
To put ANY of his accomplishments into the HOF such as his number of hits, world series victories, etc. but to not admit him into the HOF is downright hypocritical. >>
I agree, MLB really needs to make active baseball and the HOF two separate issues.
Nick
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Additionally, as ESPN's Rob Neyer said, it officially called the "National Baseball Hall of Fame AND MUSEUM." (Emphasis added). A muspaeum is defined as an institution devoted to the procurement, care, study, and display of objects of lasting interest or value. The interesting rt is that the HOF makes up a small part of the Hall and Museum and rightfully so. The HOF pertains only to HOF players, managers, etc. But the museum? That's the history of approximately 150 years of baseball. The museum has toons of stuff related to Pete Rose. but the HOF? No way.
Bill Burns 1921 Involvement in the Black Sox Scandal
Eddie Cicotte 1921 Involvement in the Black Sox Scandal
Cozy Dolan 1924 Alleged by Jimmy O'Connell to have been behind attempt to fix a game in 1924
Phil Douglas 1922 Wrote a letter to Les Mann offering to desert the Giants, if rewarded, so that he wouldn't have to help John McGraw win the pennant (he was mad at McGraw for chewing him out)
Jean Dubuc 1922 Involved with Hal Chase in fixing of games during the 1919 season
Happy Felsch 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal
Chick Gandil 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal
Joe Gedeon 1921 Friend of Swede Risberg, knew about the Black Sox Scandal and placed bets for Risberg
Joe Jackson 1921 Supposed involvement in Black Sox Scandal
Benny Kauff 1920's Alleged to be involved in game fixing, but was actually banned by Landis after being charged in New York with auto theft and receiving stolen property, sued Landis for reinstatement after his acquittal on those charges, but lost
Fred McMullin 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal
Lee Magee 1919?? Confessed to having helped Hal Chase fix games in 1918
Jimmy O'Connell 1924 Told Philadelphia infielder Heinie Sand before a game in 1924 that "it will be worth $500.00 to you if you don't bear down on us too hard today."
Gene Paulette 1919?? Accepted gifts from St. Louis gambler Carl Zork (Zork was also involved in the Black Sox Scandal)
Swede Risberg 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal
Buck Weaver 1921 Supposed involvement in the Black Sox Scandal
Lefty Williams 1921 Involvement in Black Sox Scandal
Heinie Zimmerman 1919?? Involved with Hal Chase in game fixing during the 1919 season
Pete Rose 1989 Official ruling: Conduct detrimental to baseball. Unofficial ruling: He had a gambling problem
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I'm not sure I'd put him in the HOF just yet, though he is well on his way. It'd be something if he can reach 3,000 hits with the late start he had, but if anyone can do it, he can.
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"THO SHALT NOT BET ON BASEBALL, PERIOD. YOU DO AND IT'S A LIFETIME BAN, PERIOD."
I don't know where that fairy tale started or who started it, but that is just not true. There is no such sign posted in every clubhouse.
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I guess he wants to make the Hall and cash in on that fame before he tips over. Rose is nearing 66 years old.
There is not a sign that states it in those terms, but there is a sign in the locker rooms that covers it. If I still had it I would quote it. It is much more professionally written, and my recollection is that there are a few other "rules" on it, but there most certainly is such a rule posted. Or at least there was in 1990 or so. I doubt that it has changed now.
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<< <i>there is a sign in every single clubhouse (since the early 20's I believe) stating (paraphrased)
"THO SHALT NOT BET ON BASEBALL, PERIOD. YOU DO AND IT'S A LIFETIME BAN, PERIOD."
I don't know where that fairy tale started or who started it, but that is just not true. There is no such sign posted in every clubhouse. >>
Fairy tale??
I have seen the sign in four different stadiums with my own two eyes: Astrodome, the old Arlington field, Kaufmann Stadium, and Minute Maid Park. Ask anyone who has visited a clubhouse and they will tell you the same, it's normally posted just outside of the locker room.
If you have a MLB team in your city/area, call up your local "beat writer" and they will confirm as well.
If that's still not good enough for you, make it worth my while and I'll pull a favor at MMP and personally take a picture of it.
PM me if interested.
Edited to add:
Yeah, what gregmo32 said above. As I said, that's paraphrased...
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MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL RULES - Rule 21: MISCONDUCT
(a) MISCONDUCT IN PLAYING BASEBALL. Any player or person connected with a club who shall promise or agree to lose, or to attempt to lose, or to fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any baseball game with which he is or may be in any way concerned; or who shall intentionally fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any such baseball game, or who shall solicit or attempt to induce any player or person connected with a club to lose, or attempt to lose, or to fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any baseball game with which such other player or person is or may be in any way connected; or who, being solicited by any person, shall fail to inform his Major League President and the Commissioner.
(b) GIFT FOR DEFEATING COMPETING CLUB. Any player or person connected with a club who shall offer or give any gift or reward to a player or person connected with another club for services rendered or supposed to be or to have been rendered in defeating or attempting to defeat a competing club, and any player or person connected with a club who shall solicit or accept from a player connected with another club any gifts or reward for any such services rendered, or supposed to have been rendered, or who having been offered any such gift or reward, shall fail to inform his League President or the Commissioner immediately of such offer, and of all facts and circumstances therewith, shall be declared ineligible for not less than three (3) years.
(c) GIFTS TO UMPIRES Any player or person connected with a club, who shall give, or offer to give, any gift or reward to an umpire for services rendered, or supposed to be or to have been rendered, in defeating or attempting to defeat a competing club, or for the umpire's decision on anything connected with the playing of a baseball game; and any umpire who shall render, or promise or agree to render, any such decision otherwise than on its merits, or who shall solicit or accept such gifts or reward, or having been solicited to render any such decision otherwise than on its merits, shall fail to inform the League President or the Commissioner immediately of such offer or solicitation, and all facts and circumstances therewith, shall be declared permanently ineligible.
(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
(e) VIOLENCE OR MISCONDUCT IN INTERLEAGUE GAMES. In case of any physical attack or other violence upon an umpire by a player, or by an umpire upon a player, or of other misconduct by an umpire or a player, during or in connection with any interleague Major League game or any exhibition game of a Major League Club with a club or team not a member of the same league, the Commissioner shall impose upon the offender or offenders such fine, suspension, ineligibility or other penalty, as the facts may warrant in the judgement of the Commissioner.
(f) OTHER MISCONDUCT. Nothing herein contained shall be construed as exclusively defining or otherwise limiting acts, transactions, practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball; and any and all other acts, transactions, practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball are prohibited and shall be subject to such penalties, including permanent ineligibility, as the facts in the particular case may warrant.
(g) RULE TO BE KEPT POSTED. A printed copy of this Rule shall be kept posted in each clubhouse.
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They aren't wiping his accomplishments out of the record books. Pete still holds plenty of records which are officially recognized. If you let him in the HOF, what's the punishment? There ought to be some lasting stigma attached to breaking that rule, and keeping him out of the HOF seems appropriate.
Let him keep his records, and wear the scarlet P for Permanently ineligible.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
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