Pete Rose admits to betting on Reds' games every night

MikeyLikesIt

Didn't see this posted yet:
ESPN.com

colebear

Should take a poll of who thinks Rose belongs in the hall.

I am a YES

MikeyLikesIt

I don't know. Where do you draw the line?

First he said he didn't bet on baseball. Then he said he bet on baseball but didn't bet on the Reds. Now he says he bet on the Reds but only that they would win every night.

What's next?

storm888

""[It's] all about dollars, Dan and Keith. If I was ever reinstated. If an
owner don't want to win and draw people, don't call my number," Rose said.


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He is absolutely right !

gosteelers

I used to be a YES, now I'm a NO. He's dug himself too deep. You have to draw the line somewhere.

stevek

Rose admits to betting on Reds every night
ESPN.com news services

Pete Rose revealed Wednesday that he bet on the Reds "every night" while he was manager of the team and that the Dowd Report was correct when it said he did so.

RoseAppearing on the Dan Patrick Show on ESPN Radio, Pete Rose said he bet on the Reds to win every night while he was their manager because he believed in his team. Listen

Rose spoke Wednesday with Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann on ESPN Radio to discuss the new Pete Rose exhibit that will be on display at the Great American Ballpark as part of the Reds Hall of Fame. The exhibit will be on display for 11 months.

"I bet on my team every night. I didn't bet on my team four nights a week. I was wrong," Rose said.

Rose said that he believed in his team so much that he bet on them to win every night.

"I bet on my team to win every night because I love my team, I believe in my team," Rose said. "I did everything in my power every night to win that game."

Rose accepted a lifetime ban for gambling in 1989, but denied for nearly 15 years that he bet on baseball. He finally acknowledged in his latest autobiography, published in January 2004, that he made baseball wagers while he managed the Cincinnati Reds.

Rose said he doesn't worry about getting into the Hall of Fame anymore, but if he is reinstated, he hopes to manage again in the majors.

"I quit worrying about it," Rose said about the Hall. The former Reds great said that he thought he was going to be reinstated when he met with commissioner Bud Selig before his book came out. Rose said he met with Selig about a year before the book came out and told him everything that was in the book.

"I really thought I was going to be reinstated. Something changed [Selig's] mind," Rose said.

Rose said he believes it should be up to each individual owner whether he should manage in the majors again.

"[It's] all about dollars, Dan and Keith. If I was ever reinstated. If an owner don't want to win and draw people, don't call my number," Rose said.

Major League Baseball's Hit King also said he thinks that Mark McGwire is getting a raw deal from the writers voting for the Hall of Fame. The reason he said he supported McGwire is because nothing has been proven and they're all "allegations."

"Don't penalize McGwire because you think other guys are taking steroids," Rose said.

McGwire wasn't voted into the Hall of Fame in his first appearance on the ballot in January because of allegations he used performance-enhancing drugs in his career.

Rose admits he made a mistake in betting on baseball.

"I made a big mistake. It's my fault, It's nobody's else's fault," Rose said. However, he said he should be reinstated because "I'm the best ambassador baseball has."

Because of the ban, Rose is not eligible for induction into the Reds' or Baseball's Hall of Fame. He also is not allowed to be involved in most on-field activities, which has prevented the Reds from retiring his uniform No. 14.

Major League Baseball did include him in two events -- 1999's All-Century Team and 2002's 30 Memorable Moments -- that were sponsored by a credit card company.

The new exhibit includes more than 300 items from the career of Rose, who finished playing in 1986 with a record 4,256 hits. His total is reflected at the Reds' Hall in a three-story high wall of baseballs -- one for each hit.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

theczar

if you put pete rose in the hall of fame you may as well put gary daggett in the card sellers hall of fame as well. they both have the same philosophy on life, lie until you get caught. when you do get caught keep denying until there is overwhelming evidence against you, then spin your lies to where you are a victim. if all else fails write a book.

stevek

If anybody at this point can't clearly understand how this affects the integrity of the game, then it's no use explaining it to you!


Also...So Rose is saying he never bet on the Reds to lose?

I guess he should be taken for his word, right?




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gosteelers

<< <i>If anybody at this point can't clearly understand how this affects the integrity of the game, then it's no use explaining it to you!


Also...So Rose is saying he never bet on the Reds to lose?

I guess he should be taken for his word, right?




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Didn't the Dowd report confirm that he bet against his team? Removing Mario Soto in one game (who was good at the time and inexplicably replacing him with their worst pitcher)?

perkdog

The bottom line at this point is any of your most far fetched thoughts on Rose's wrongdoing as far as baseball and gambling are concerned, your probably right...he did most likely do it.

stevek

<< <i>

<< <i>If anybody at this point can't clearly understand how this affects the integrity of the game, then it's no use explaining it to you!


Also...So Rose is saying he never bet on the Reds to lose?

I guess he should be taken for his word, right?




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Didn't the Dowd report confirm that he bet against his team? Removing Mario Soto in one game (who was good at the time and inexplicably replacing him with their worst pitcher)? >>




Wow - I'd like to see the box score and the Cincinnati Enquirer writeup of that game, and Soto's comments if he made any - whichever game it was...if anybody knows please post it. Thanks!



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stevek

<< <i>The bottom line at this point is any of your most far fetched thoughts on Rose's wrongdoing as far as baseball and gambling are concerned, your probably right...he did most likely do it. >>




Agreed!

bobsbbcards

I think managers should be required to bet on their teams every night. They might manage better.

gregmo32

The term "Integrity of the Game" has been so overused that it has become a cliche. But this is the original intent of that phrase as it applies to the case of Rose.

Suppose Rose is betting on the Reds to win most of the time. And the bookies (who work for the Mob, directly or indirectly, especially pre Internet) know he is doing so. Does it not make sense that on the nights he chooses not to pick the Reds to win, and abstains from betting, that said bookie could logically deduce that Rose did not believe the Reds would win?

And suppose that Rose gets very deep in debt to the Mob, who tells him that he has to pay NOW. Rose says I don't have the cash. Mob says, "Okay then you just make sure the Reds lose tonight or else we will break your neck and make it look like an accident."

Rose makes decisions that cause that to happen.
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The fact that this hypothetical scenario COULD have happened is how the "integrity of the game" phrase was initially meant. When a manager has reason to consider helping his team to lose on purpose, then the integrity of the game has been compromised, much like the 1919 World Series which almost killed baseball.

The damage Rose did to baseball pales in comparison to what he likely would have done had he not been banned forever when he was.

And to think of all the good people who he slandered publicly for over a decade, good people who did their jobs and concluded rightly that he had bet on baseball. What of them? Where is the apology to all the people who he called liars, to the people whose families were threatened on HIS behalf, because they stated what they had discovered, that Pete Rose gambled on baseball and lied about it.

To tell you the truth, I couldn't care less if he is in the Hall of Fame. Everyone knows how good of a player he was. But I am glad that it looks like the powers that be realize that he has no place in the business of baseball, and that he will not have a chance to again profit from it (officially) in any way. It is not worth the risk for them or anyone involved.

Jdurg

I say that if you are not going to put him in the HOF then you should completely delete every single statistic that he every generated from the records of baseball forever. His on the field accomplishments are HOF worthy. His off the field "accomplishments" are a disgrace. The HOF, however, is not a "good guys who played well" club. There are MANY players in the HOF who are even worse people than Rose is.

I personally think that Rose belongs in the HOF but should NEVER be allowed to work for any Major League Team ever again. That means no managing, coaching, front office, scouting, Spring Training assistant, etc.

To put ANY of his accomplishments into the HOF such as his number of hits, world series victories, etc. but to not admit him into the HOF is downright hypocritical.

He should be put into the HOF but on his plaque his horrific betting on baseball should be mentioned and it should state that he is forever banned from any position in MLB for the rest of his life. This way he'll be recognized as a HOFer, but his atrocious acts will taint his admittance forever.

MikeyLikesIt

<< <i>The term "Integrity of the Game" has been so overused that it has become a cliche. But this is the original intent of that phrase as it applies to the case of Rose.

Suppose Rose is betting on the Reds to win most of the time. And the bookies (who work for the Mob, directly or indirectly, especially pre Internet) know he is doing so. Does it not make sense that on the nights he chooses not to pick the Reds to win, and abstains from betting, that said bookie could logically deduce that Rose did not believe the Reds would win?

And suppose that Rose gets very deep in debt to the Mob, who tells him that he has to pay NOW. Rose says I don't have the cash. Mob says, "Okay then you just make sure the Reds lose tonight or else we will break your neck and make it look like an accident."

Rose makes decisions that cause that to happen.
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The fact that this hypothetical scenario COULD have happened is how the "integrity of the game" phrase was initially meant. When a manager has reason to consider helping his team to lose on purpose, then the integrity of the game has been compromised, much like the 1919 World Series which almost killed baseball.

The damage Rose did to baseball pales in comparison to what he likely would have done had he not been banned forever when he was.

And to think of all the good people who he slandered publicly for over a decade, good people who did their jobs and concluded rightly that he had bet on baseball. What of them? Where is the apology to all the people who he called liars, to the people whose families were threatened on HIS behalf, because they stated what they had discovered, that Pete Rose gambled on baseball and lied about it.

To tell you the truth, I couldn't care less if he is in the Hall of Fame. Everyone knows how good of a player he was. But I am glad that it looks like the powers that be realize that he has no place in the business of baseball, and that he will not have a chance to again profit from it (officially) in any way. It is not worth the risk for them or anyone involved. >>



Very, very good post gregmo. I agree 100%

jskirwin

<< <i>I say that if you are not going to put him in the HOF then you should completely delete every single statistic that he every generated from the records of baseball forever. His on the field accomplishments are HOF worthy. His off the field "accomplishments" are a disgrace. The HOF, however, is not a "good guys who played well" club. There are MANY players in the HOF who are even worse people than Rose is.

I personally think that Rose belongs in the HOF but should NEVER be allowed to work for any Major League Team ever again. That means no managing, coaching, front office, scouting, Spring Training assistant, etc.

To put ANY of his accomplishments into the HOF such as his number of hits, world series victories, etc. but to not admit him into the HOF is downright hypocritical.

He should be put into the HOF but on his plaque his horrific betting on baseball should be mentioned and it should state that he is forever banned from any position in MLB for the rest of his life. This way he'll be recognized as a HOFer, but his atrocious acts will taint his admittance forever. >>



I agree 100%. He broke the rules and lied - so he should be banned from managing a team.

But the HOF is NOT a good guys who played well club. Or should we pull people out of the HOF who broke the law and made it in?

storm888

"There are MANY players in the HOF who are even worse people than Rose is."

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I have no doubt that is the case.

stown

<< <i>The term "Integrity of the Game" has been so overused that it has become a cliche. But this is the original intent of that phrase as it applies to the case of Rose.

Suppose Rose is betting on the Reds to win most of the time. And the bookies (who work for the Mob, directly or indirectly, especially pre Internet) know he is doing so. Does it not make sense that on the nights he chooses not to pick the Reds to win, and abstains from betting, that said bookie could logically deduce that Rose did not believe the Reds would win?

And suppose that Rose gets very deep in debt to the Mob, who tells him that he has to pay NOW. Rose says I don't have the cash. Mob says, "Okay then you just make sure the Reds lose tonight or else we will break your neck and make it look like an accident."

Rose makes decisions that cause that to happen.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The fact that this hypothetical scenario COULD have happened is how the "integrity of the game" phrase was initially meant. When a manager has reason to consider helping his team to lose on purpose, then the integrity of the game has been compromised, much like the 1919 World Series which almost killed baseball.

The damage Rose did to baseball pales in comparison to what he likely would have done had he not been banned forever when he was.

And to think of all the good people who he slandered publicly for over a decade, good people who did their jobs and concluded rightly that he had bet on baseball. What of them? Where is the apology to all the people who he called liars, to the people whose families were threatened on HIS behalf, because they stated what they had discovered, that Pete Rose gambled on baseball and lied about it.

To tell you the truth, I couldn't care less if he is in the Hall of Fame. Everyone knows how good of a player he was. But I am glad that it looks like the powers that be realize that he has no place in the business of baseball, and that he will not have a chance to again profit from it (officially) in any way. It is not worth the risk for them or anyone involved. >>

metalmike

I think Pete belongs in the hall for what he did as a player. That being said I also believe he should not be allowed to be active in baseball in any capacity. Mike

Volver

At this point I think the Hall of Fame is the last thing from his mind. It all about the Madison's to him.

danp306

OK, first I have to say, I can't stand Pete Rose. I hate him more every time I hear him speak.
However, there is no doubt he belongs in the HOF. But here's how it should be done:

Vote him in the day he dies. This way at least his family can benefit from it (for some reason I believe they deserve something
having to deal with him their whole lives).

I do believe he's going in someday, I just hope it is not while he's alive.

Dan

MikeyLikesIt

<< <i>OK, first I have to say, I can't stand Pete Rose. I hate him more every time I hear him speak.
However, there is no doubt he belongs in the HOF. But here's how it should be done:

Vote him in the day he dies. This way at least his family can benefit from it (for some reason I believe they deserve something
having to deal with him their whole lives).

I do believe he's going in someday, I just hope it is not while he's alive.

Dan >>



So if you vote him in, isn't baseball really saying that what he did is OK?

rose14com

Rose continues to embarrass himself with every breath he takes. Still, I believe he belongs in the hall but not in any kind of manager/gm/owner type of capacity. Still, I could never part with my cards, and I'd give my left nut to purchase that Stand Up sflayank is going to have in the REA auction.

danp306

I would vote him in as a player, not as a manager. While he was playing
he didn't do anything wrong (unless being a jerk is something wrong).

Dan

Volver

Pete Rose should be in the Hall...period. I do not agree with his gambling as it goes against everything the game is not...but his game speaks for itself and should be recognized.

Look at LT, Mike Irvin, Ty Cobb - not the most upstanding citizens, but they are in their respective Halls

Yankeeefan

<< <i>I think Pete belongs in the hall for what he did as a player. That being said I also believe he should not be allowed to be active in baseball in any capacity. Mike >>



Agree. What he did as a player made him a 1st ballot lock. But he should never be allowed to hold a baseball job of any kind again.

gregmo32

The issue is not the character of the person Rose is, it is the nature of his transgressions and the DIRECT effect they potentially had on the actual game of baseball, i.e. its competition.

A drunkard or drug addict or ax murderer has no effect on the actual game of baseball, and that is the difference. Those people's decisions only peripherally affect baseball. It is comparing apples and oranges to compare what Rose did and what the other "immoral" people have done.

Every player who has stepped on to a MLB field for decades has known that to gamble on baseball equals a lifetime banishment. Making this a moral issue misses the actual point, and the technical reason Rose is not eligible.

mealeworm

Another Pete Rose thread... BLAH BLAH BLAH.... Who gives a crap about Pete or the HOF.... We have talked about this every way you possible can, so I will enter my .02 as well.

Does Pete's new found honesty surprise anyone? Does anyone think he didn't bet for and against the Reds and the same for every other team in baseball, football,hockey, Dog tracks, horses, numbers, cards, lotto, or Fing pull tabs... No... He is an a$$ and always well be...

BUT

He is still the greatest hitter to play the game and there should be no Hall without Pete. Pete Rose is the hit king and anyone that thinks different can kiss his in debt a$$. Now stop abusing the guy and get him help and MLB could show the world how they helped Pete beat his addiction and allow him in the hall. Think of the PR they could get from that!!!!

PETER EDWARD ROSE FOREVER!!!

Dave

Uncbob

I never liked Pete Rose ( and Iam a Philly fan and loved every thing about that year but him )

Something about him rubbed me wrong

And his breaking Cobbs record is BS

He couldn't have started for a AAA team his last two years of hanging on to break Cobbs record

Cobb hit 300 his last year and if he knew Rose was going to break his record he could have hung in another two years himself

gregmo32

Saying Pete Rose is the best hitter ever is a bit like saying that 116 year old guy that just died in France is the best human ever just because he happened to live so long.

Rose was a damn good player, one of my favorites as a kid, but not even in the conversation as far as "Best Hitter Ever."

(No offense meant, hopefully none taken, by the way...)

Uncbob

<< <i>Another Pete Rose thread... BLAH BLAH BLAH.... Who gives a crap about Pete or the HOF.... We have talked about this every way you possible can, so I will enter my .02 as well.

Does Pete's new found honesty surprise anyone? Does anyone think he didn't bet for and against the Reds and the same for every other team in baseball, football,hockey, Dog tracks, horses, numbers, cards, lotto, or Fing pull tabs... No... He is an a$$ and always well be...

BUT

He is still the greatest hitter to play the game and there should be no Hall without Pete. Pete Rose is the hit king and anyone that thinks different can kiss his in debt a$$. Now stop abusing the guy and get him help and MLB could show the world how they helped Pete beat his addiction and allow him in the hall. Think of the PR they could get from that!!!!

PETER EDWARD ROSE FOREVER!!!

Dave >>



Greates Hitter HAH HAH HAH

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Cobb vs Rose

rbdjr1

Rose is the career leader in hits (4,256), singles (3,215), at-bats (14,053) and games played (3,562).
He is second all-time in doubles, fourth in runs, and collected at least 100 hits in his first 23 seasons,
a record. He had more than 200 hits in a season 10 times, also a record, led the league in hits in
seven seasons, and is the most prolific switch-hitter in history. He is the only player to play 500
games at five different positions and was named the Player of the Decade for the 1970s by
TSN. He revived the head-first slide and popularized running to first base on a walk after
seeing Enos Slaughter do it. Because of his seemingly boundless enthusiasm, he was nicknamed
"Charlie Hustle" by Whitey Ford. Rose once said that he'd "walk through hell in a gasoline suit
to keep playing baseball." He has also been endlessly compared to Ty Cobb, including allegations
of betting on his own team, an accusation Cobb faced in the final years of his career.
Rose's statistical standing in major league history is ensured, but his reputation and
eventual election to the Hall of Fame is in serious doubt following his lifetime
suspension by Commissioner Giamatti in 1989. Born and raised in Cincinnati, the brash,
crewcut rookie broke into the Reds' starting lineup in 1963 and was named Rookie of the Year.
In the top of the ninth in a scoreless game in Colt Stadium on April 23, 1964,
Rose reached first on an error and scored on another error to make
Houston rookie Ken Johnson the first pitcher to lose a complete game no-hitter.
But Rose slumped late in 1964, was benched, and finished with just a .269 average.
He came back in 1965 to lead the league in hits (209) and at-bats (670), and hit .312,
the first of 15 consecutive .300 seasons. He hit a career-high 16 homers in 1966,
then moved from second base to the right field the following year. In 1968,
he started the season with a 22-game hit streak, missed three weeks, including the All-Star game,
with a broken thumb, then had a 19-game hit streak late in the season.
He had to finish the season 6-for-9 to beat out Matty Alou
and win the first of two close NL batting-title races. In 1969,
Rose and Roberto Clemente were tied for the batting title going into the final game.
Rose bunted for a base hit in his last at-bat of the season to beat out Clemente.
Rose's hustle won the All-Star Game in 1970 for the NL, and may have spoiled the career
of Oakland catcher Ray Fosse, Rose's dinner companion the night before the game in Cincinnati.
In the 12th inning, Rose led off with a single and went to second on a single by the Dodgers' Bill Grabarkewitz.
The Cubs Jim Hickman then singled sharply to center. Amos Otis' throw beat Rose to the plate,
but Rose barreled over Fosse, separating the catcher's shoulder, to score the winning run.
Rose sparked the The Big Red Machine to a sweep of the LCS against Pittsburgh that year.
He drove in a run to snap a scoreless tie in the 10th inning in the first game, then singled
during the eighth inning rally that produced the winning run in the third game. In 1972,
Rose, now in left field, again led the league in hits and at-bats,
hit .450 in the LCS against Pittsbugh, but managed only a .214 average
in the seven-game loss to Oakland in the World Series. Rose enjoyed his
best-ever season in 1973. He won his third and final batting title with a .338 average,
collected a career-high 230 hits and was named the NL MVP. The Reds, however,
lost the LCS to the upstart Mets, despite Rose's eighth-inning homer to tie
Game One and his 12th-inning homer to win Game Four.
The Mets were spurred on by Rose's fight with diminutive
Met shortstop Bud Harrelson in Game Three, which prompted a bench-clearing brawl.
Rose slumped badly in 1974, hitting only .284, although he did lead the league in runs
scored with 110. In 1975, Rose was moved to third base to make room for rookie
outfielder Ken Griffey, and led the Reds to the first of two straight
World Series victories. Rose was named the 1975 World Series MVP on the
strength of 10 hits and a .370 average. The Reds swept the Yankees in the 1976 Series,
despite only a .188 average for Rose. In 1978, Rose mounted the last serious threat to
Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hit streak. Rose hit safely in 44 straight games, the most by a
NL player in the 20th century. On May 5, he became the youngest player ever to reach 3,000 hits.
After the season, Rose became a free agent and, after a fierce bidding war, signed with the Phillies.
Installed at first base, his fifth position in the majors, he hit .331.
The next season, despite only a .282 regular-season average,
he helped the Phillies win their first-ever World Championship.
With one out in the ninth inning of the sixth and final game of the World Series,
the Phillies were leading 4-1 with Tug McGraw on the mound, but the bases were full of Royals.
Frank White's foul pop bounced out of catcher Bob Boone's glove,
but Rose grabbed it in the air to prevent a possible tragedy.
In the strike-shortened 1981 season, Rose led the league in hits and had his last .300 season, batting .325.
Now 40 years old, it was clear his career was winding down,
but the question of whether he could catch Cobb and the all-time hit record of 4,192
kept his name in the news. The night after the strike ended on August 10, he passed
Musial as the NL all-time hit leader. He hit just .271 in 1982, but collected 172 more hits.
In 1983, the last year of his contract with the Phillies, he hit just .245. Rose, Joe Morgan,
and Tony Perez, aging remnants of the Big Red Machine teams, helped the Phillies to the World Series,
losing to the Orioles in five games. It was clear that the Phillies were moving toward youth,
and the question was, who would want a forty-two-year-old player.
The Expos, needing some help at the gate, signed him, and on April 13,
a day before his forty-third birthday, he collected his 4,000th hit.
But he wasn't hitting consistently, and was benched in July.
On August 16, he was traded back to his hometown Reds,
was named player-manager, and responded by batting .365 the rest of the season.
In 1985 the city named a street near the ballpark after him as the Cobb hoopla built.
On September 11 in Cincinnati, batting lefthanded, he hit a line single to left off the Padres' Eric Show
for hit number 4,193 to pass Cobb. In order to reach Cobb,
Rose collected more than 1,000 hits after the age of 38.
He guided the Reds to a second-place finish in the NL West that year, and again in 1986, his last year as an active player.
Cincinnati finished second again in 1987, and for the fourth time in a row in 1988. During the 1988 season,
Rose got into a shoving match with umpire Dave Pallone, and was suspended for 30 days.
Early in 1989, his job in jeopardy because of consistant second-place finishes,
Rose was accused of being in massive debt to gamblers and of betting on his own team.
He resorted to months of legal stratagems,
challenging the Commissioner's authority, until finally agreeing on
August 24 to a deal in which he dropped his suit against baseball and
accepted the lifetime suspension. In return, there were no official findings announced.
By that time, testimony and documents from a federal case
involving one of his bookmakers had revealed everything anyway,
but Rose obdurately denied that he had done anything deserving censure. re: baseballlibrary.com

mealeworm

Don't forget I am a Rod Carew fan as well. The TWO greatest hitters.

ArchStanton

integrity of the game

When did baseball every have integrity? A game has nothing but participants. When was that group of participants ever known for its integrity? If you look back as far as you can, you'll find that baseball has always been full of crooks, liars, cheats and ne'er-do-wells. I don't particularly like Pete Rose. I never have. But he certainly belongs in baseball's hall of fame.

I also honestly believe that Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire belong in the hall of fame. I might be an idiot, but it is baseball.

gregmo32

That is just my point. It is not about the integrity of the "players" in the game. What Pete did violated the actual game, not the subjective morality of its participants.

jmbkb4

<< <i>I used to be a YES, now I'm a NO. He's dug himself too deep. You have to draw the line somewhere. >>



Excellent point. BUT, I have recently swung from no --> YES. Pete Rose is an idiot, but one cannot negate what he has done for baseball over the past 30 years.

""I made a big mistake. It's my fault, It's nobody's else's fault," Rose said. However, he said he should be reinstated because "I'm the best ambassador baseball has.""

I don't know -- it is really a tough call. America is a very forgiving place and I think that Pete needs a second (third?, fourth?) chance.

jmbkb4

<< <i>I think Pete belongs in the hall for what he did as a player. That being said I also believe he should not be allowed to be active in baseball in any capacity. Mike >>

stevek

Pete Rose will never be allowed back in MLB. "Everybody" except him already knew that and this betting admission by him in my view means he finally realizes it as well.

jad22

There is no way of knowing if Rose threw games. If he was allowed in the hall of fame then Joe Jackson should be allowed in the hall.
Ty Cobb had issues, everyone loves to bash the man, read the book by Stump.

BobaFett72

I hope he never gets in, a liar, a cheat, addict. stain on the game

Carew29

Maybe he can use Barry's excuse----"I unknowingly bet on my own team"

julen23

pete rose movie rocked.

julen

JackWESQ

My opinion is that Rose should not be in the HOF. It's written there clear as day.

"Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

HOF Criteria

1. Player's record = Stats
2. Playing ability = Hmmm? Bo Jackson comes to mind. Can you have the ability, but not the career stats, e.g. Career cut short?
3. Integrity = Defined as firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : Incorruptibility
4. Sportsmanship = Defined as conduct (as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport
5. Character = Defined as Reputation; Moral excellence and firmness.
6. Contributions to the team.

Rose easily passes on 1 and 2; Likely on 4 and 6. But what about 3 and 5. How can he NOT fail on integrity and character. All we focus on is the on-field accomplishments, e.g. stats. But the rules clearly provide that voting shall (not may, but SHALL) be based upon 1 through 6. This is in clear distinction to the Pro Football Hall of Fame whose Bylaws provide that voters are to consider only on-field performance. When you take into consideration nos. 3 and 5 (and the voters are required to), I don't think Rose should ever be inducted into the HOF.

/s/ JackWESQ

storm888

""Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing
ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the
team(s) on which the player played."

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Yesterday, I went to a legislative hearing on a judicial confirmation.

The BAR guys went into pretty good detail about the weighting
of formulas used by their selection committee when preparing
to make recommendations.

There are lots of criteria; just like there are in the above quoted
rule. In theory, it might be possible to score VERY low on one or
more criteria category, score VERY high in several others, and
still earn a recommendation.

At the hearing, there was alot of discussion about the differences
between "qualified" and "highly-qualified."

At some point, the voters will begin to parse the merits in the
sundry categories and accept that Rose is only "qualified." He
will then be admitted.

gregmo32

Carew29

Post of the day.
Wish I had thought of that one.

PuertoRicanFogBank

Pete Rose = TOOL.

stown

Everytime Rose walked into the locker room, there was a huge sign stating (paraphrased) "Thou shalt not bet on baseball. If thou bets, thou gets banned FOREVER." Pete knew the consequences yet he continued to break the cardinal rule of baseball.

I think he had a chance to come back when there was a ground swell of support from both players and fans. He blew it and has no one to blame but himself.

gregmo32

Stown,

I actually used to have a copy of one of those signs that a buddy got from a MLB locker room.
Apparently it is drilled in to their heads from their first day in the minor leagues.

sagard

I think the Hall of Fame is really useless for honoring players. That said it is a great place for remembering the history of baseball. My opinion the Hall should (maybe it does) have sections detailing the 1919 Scandal, the Pete Rose gambling, and eventually the steroid cases. It really should be disconnected from the organized game of baseball.

As for whether Pete should get a job in the game again -- Which part of "lifetime ban" didn't you understand Pete?

So I guess I'm one of the "put his bust in the Hall", "tell his whole story", and don't ever let him into any baseball organization again.

RoarIn84

dunno....people seem to have forgiven Clinton for his wrongdoings and blatant lies about it, and he was the friggin president......

"Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."Text

yeah, like Ty Cobb