I got halfway through this thread and realized reading any further is a waste of time. In fact, writing this post is a waste of time, but I guess I'm doing it anyway. The primary motivation for any businessman to come through in every transaction is to receive word of mouth marketing, which can be more powerful than anything else in terms of building a business.
Steve's commitment to his product quality, customer service, and overall attitude towards customers is why many on these baords recommend him.
This is fairly straightforward- if you like his product, buy it. Feel free to recommend it to someone else, but don't expect anything in return. FOr example, my accountant is great and I've sent at least a dozen customers his way, who are now lifelong customers. He gives me a little break on my bill but I certainly don't expect it or have ever asked for it. If he didn't give me the break, I'd still happily be using his services every year.
Also, you have to understand the margins on unopened product aren't that big. It's nearly impossible to find unopened cases at wholesale prices. Any discount he gives is cutting fairly deep into his percentages. In fact, I imagine he has overpaid for quite a few things in order to gain the reputation of having a well-rounded portfolio.
There are certain dealers that have earned respect for their honesty. BBCE has been great although I don't buy wax I have bought some nice graded cards on EBAY. The last few days many have sung the praises of 4SC but others will b*tch because they have have alias company's and don't ship across store lines.
I like DSL. Great cards. Others will complain that they get favors in grading and don't take paypal.
Whoever mentioned that he is knocking down the price up to 10% on these group purchases is right to say that this is a commission, rebate, kickback whatever you wish to call it.
After the last week most of us put a high value on piece of mind. If your cards aren't shipped in a timely manner or have been messed with what commission do you put on that?
You seem like a great guy. Before this thread anyway I apologize for calling you an idiot ..... even if you think I am a Bin Laden relative. This hobby is built on trust for the most part. Steve Hart has mine 100% as I am sure others feel the same. This forum could have done without this thread ....... my final word.
You seem like a great guy. Before this thread anyway I apologize for calling you an idiot ..... even if you think I am a Bin Laden relative. This hobby is built on trust for the most part. Steve Hart has mine 100% as I am sure others feel the same. This forum could have done without this thread ....... my final word.
Osama >>
Fair enough, Softparade. I could have also done without the "uneducated" comment, as well as the insinuation that you knew exactly my intent for posting. But I digress .... I do apologize for liking you to a Terrorist with stubborn faith. Fact is, I knew I'd be opening a potential can of worms with some of the language I used and knowing the immense love affair this board has for Steve.
I appreciate the apology. I will definitely be more mindful of my posts going forward.
Onward to better threads and more hugs.
-t
- Building these sets: ------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+ ------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
And I'd like to apologize for secretly hating all of you to the point where I've wired all of your refrigerators with plastic explosives. That was wrong of me.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
And I'd like to apologize for secretly hating all of you to the point where I've wired all of your refrigerators with plastic explosives.
Well, at least they're only plastic, it'd be even worse if they were the real kind of explosives!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Yeah, plastic. You look hungry grote. Why don't you go make yourself a sandwich.
Was kidding, CD, but thanks anyway!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I understand what you're asking and appreciate the courage to ask a hard question.
The problem is in the wording IMO - you ask a serious question and showcase it with interesting rhetoric.
I'm not really sure of the answer.
But, first - he's been around a long time and the business we give him doesn't amount to as much as one might think.
Plus, Steve buys high quality stuff - if you check his "buy" vs. "sell" prices, you will see a profit margin that's way lower than the guy who buys something for a buck and sells it for 2 to 3.
On the "touting" of his products - that's what businesses expect - IMO - internal marketing - e.g. friend telling a friend - is far more effective for some businesses than external marketings - ads in newspapers, magazines, on TV etc.
Now, "rewards" have been offered for loyalty and questionable products have been replaced without questions.
So, he's providing good products, coupled with good service. That's reward enough for me.
And, last, again - CU's contribution to the annual gross of BBCEx is small - but Steve treats it like it was the ONLY business he gets IMO.
In general and this is not directed at you or anyone in particular: customers' expectations should be met but not with a personal sense of entitlement IMO. If you know what I mean?
<< <i> So, he's providing good products, coupled with good service. That's reward enough for me.
And, last, again - CU's contribution to the annual gross of BBCEx is small - but Steve treats it like it was the ONLY business he gets IMO.
mike >>
Stone, solid post -- per your usual.
Though I do disagree with your statement of fact above. How are we to know BBCE's gross and our % of it? I would think that a 75 mini case at $25k and 78 case at $9k would be a pretty big dent in any dealer's cross. But only Steve would be able to talk intelligently to any specific numbers and percentages.
But that's besides the point. For anybody in the community that wishes to continue free word-of-mouth advertising for BBCE -- be my guest. It's not my place to tell you otherwise.
I was just bringing up an observation at the sheer volume of plugs he seemed to be getting in recent weeks. Maybe the Gary saga had something to do with it, I don't know ... I just couldn't seem to read a post without some comment praising/recommending/advocating BBCE. So much so that I thought I'd bring it up.
Really .. nothing more, nothing less.
-t
- Building these sets: ------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+ ------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
<< <i> So, he's providing good products, coupled with good service. That's reward enough for me.
And, last, again - CU's contribution to the annual gross of BBCEx is small - but Steve treats it like it was the ONLY business he gets IMO.
mike >>
Stone, solid post -- per your usual.
Though I do disagree with your statement of fact above. How are we to know BBCE's gross and our % of it? I would think that a 75 mini case at $25k and 78 case at $9k would be a pretty big dent in any dealer's cross. But only Steve would be able to talk intelligently to any specific numbers and percentages.
But that's besides the point. For anybody in the community that wishes to continue free word-of-mouth advertising for BBCE -- be my guest. It's not my place to tell you otherwise.
I was just bringing up an observation at the sheer volume of plugs he seemed to be getting in recent weeks. Maybe the Gary saga had something to do with it, I don't know ... I just couldn't seem to read a post without some comment praising/recommending/advocating BBCE. So much so that I thought I'd bring it up.
Really .. nothing more, nothing less.
-t >>
Tom
If you check the "buy" price for a 75T mini Box - it's 1100$ - unless this is false advertising, he's gonna offer ya 23K for your clean case.
So his flip profit was probably marginal.
Gross in business is meaningless without a total breakdown of the cost of doing business.
BBCEx is a regular advertiser in SCD - full page - which runs between a grand and 750$ - depending on the frequency.
And I would say - and this is a guess - he places like 2 per month.
He travels all over the country - the expense is incredible.
IMO, the amount of money he's made here is negligible - I'm talking profit.
<< <i>Stone, well said. You deserve a reward. Why don't you go make yourself a sandwich.
Lee >>
Wow!
This has been a BAD day.
A good friend flew in today for an implant course downtown.
I took him to lunch - large burger/fries.
Then I had a fish sandwich/fries and ice cream for desert for dinner!!!!
I can't eat for 11 days to make those calories up!!!!
But thanx Lee.
I'll have a bottle of cold water instead. >>
What's an implant course? >>
He's a Prosthodontist in the Army - specialty is crown and bridge but he is also trained in placement of implants - this is a continuing education course. Years ago, the best a dentist could offer for a missing tooth was a bridge to fill the gap - today implants and crowns over the implants can be placed and look as natural as the original missing tooth.
But, that's just a guess - cuz I stayed at a......
I was thinking of asking the same thing, until I realized maybe I dont want to know. The picture in my head assures me I know EXACTLY what it is, and I like it.
<< <i> I was just bringing up an observation at the sheer volume of plugs he seemed to be getting in recent weeks. -t >>
Steve Hart has been getting the same volume of "plugs" that he has since I joined this forum in late 2004. I was directed his way by guys who never post here anymore and by guys that still do.
Blind, you were skeptical at first of the very deserving pile on that followed the most recent fiasco and you seem to be a bit wary about a true top notch guy in this hobby at this moment in time.
Perhaps it is your nature to shun the majority opinion ..... I know that now.
<< <i> I was just bringing up an observation at the sheer volume of plugs he seemed to be getting in recent weeks. -t >>
Steve Hart has been getting the same volume of "plugs" that he has since I joined this forum in late 2004. I was directed his way by guys who never post here anymore and by guys that still do.
Blind, you were skeptical at first of the very deserving pile on that followed the most recent fiasco and you seem to be a bit wary about a true top notch guy in this hobby at this moment in time.
Perhaps it is your nature to shun the majority opinion ..... I know that now.
Cheers! >>
One thing to add-- and we're all guilty of this, or at least I certainly am--is that message boards like these can attract strong opinions from people who really have little idea what they're talking about. If someone says "I've bought thousands of dollars of resealed crap from Mark Murphy, and have never gotten a resealed pack from Steve Hart', then that person is in a position to speak intelligently on Steve Hart's integrity relative to that of other dealers. But if the extend of someone's vintage pack buying is a few '85 Football boxes and maybe a handful of '70's racks, and all of these were bought from Steve, then no-- this person is not in a position to speak intelligently on the matter, since they haven't dealt with other dealers. They can say 'Steve's stuff is great'--- that's fine-- but they can't say 'Steve's stuff is better than everyone else's, because-well, because they have no idea if it is or isn't.
This sounds like a question of semantics, but I really don't think it is. If the purpose of these boards is to both recreate AND educate then speaking about Steve's product and service relative to that of other highly visible dealers is just as enlightening, if not more so, then simply discussing Steve's product in a vacuum.
Blind, you were skeptical at first of the very deserving pile on that followed the most recent fiasco and you seem to be a bit wary about a true top notch guy in this hobby at this moment in time.
Perhaps it is your nature to shun the majority opinion ..... I know that now.
Cheers! >>
Astute obversation, but I disagree.
The accusations against Dagget early on were all circumstantial. I am am man of logic and fact -- trying my best of avoid emotion taking over an argument . In regards to Dagget, I was merely reserving accusation until I saw more of the hard facts. As soon as Gary was caught in his first outright lie, (86F bkball box) my "support" -- if you will -- began to crumble. That entire fiasco was originally pure mob mentality based on circumstantial evidence. In the end, he was shown to be guilty, but at the point in time the mob was pouring it on that was NOT fully clear.
Secondly, Softparade, am am not wary in the least about Steve or BBCE. This thread was pointed to us, the community, in regards to how "worship-like" we seem to be towards him. This is NOT a dig at him, nor does it insinuate that he is anything less than top notch. If anything, the CU Forum community should be angry at me b/c of an implied dig at them and their unwavering devotion to one vendor -- not Steve Hart.
Make sense?
-t
- Building these sets: ------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+ ------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
The fact that Steve Hart is so hallowed throughout the hobby as one of the few good guys in it, that does -- unfortunately -- speak volumes about the hobby.
<< <i>The fact that Steve Hart is so hallowed throughout the hobby as one of the few good guys in it, that does -- unfortunately -- speak volumes about the hobby.
You all dig? >>
It is a little funny that a man could have legions ready to erect temples in his honor simply because he's an honest businessman.
"Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins...Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins"
Steve does many many small business owners do every day , provide the best quality of product they can, at a fair price, back ed by solid customer service.
Only, I doubt they have the hysterical supporters.
No one posting with good intent should be bullied by someone who doesn't agree.
Parade's emotional attachment is kind of strange to those of us who welcome reasoned debate of a good topic.
Start an "I ~HEART~ Steve Hart" thread if you please, but stop making me giggle with your Scarlett O'Hara theatrics.
"Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins...Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins"
Steve does many many small business owners do every day , provide the best quality of product they can, at a fair price, back ed by solid customer service.
Only, I doubt they have the hysterical supporters.
No one posting with good intent should be bullied by someone who doesn't agree.
Parade's emotional attachment is kind of strange to those of us who welcome reasoned debate of a good topic.
Start an "I ~HEART~ Steve Hart" thread if you please, but stop making me giggle with your Scarlett O'Hara theatrics. >>
Carew
I think this got out of hand.
Softparade is a good guy - he apologized for loading up on Tom.
I totally agree - people - in this case Tom - should be able to ask a hard question without fear of reprisal.
Being reasonable - BBCEx - appears to be a good company - gives good service - backs up product and has some supporters.
That's about it IMO - but they're not gonna be sending their children off the college on the profit from the purchases from this board.
The good news - when someone is skeptical - it keeps everyone including BBCEx if they're reading on their toes.
<< <i>BBCEx - appears to be a good company - gives good service - backs up product and has some supporters >>
Steve has been doing this for a long time! I use to bid on his auctions in the SCD back in 95 ,96 right up to Ebay days. I have also bought off his website before and he let me put a 1200 dollar card on layaway with no set date to pay it off!You should have seen the way it was packed, in a 12 x 12 box with a mizzilllllion peanuts! I think he deserves all the accolades because it wouldn't be very hard to be shady in this business!
"Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins...Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins"
Steve does many many small business owners do every day , provide the best quality of product they can, at a fair price, back ed by solid customer service.
Only, I doubt they have the hysterical supporters.
No one posting with good intent should be bullied by someone who doesn't agree.
Parade's emotional attachment is kind of strange to those of us who welcome reasoned debate of a good topic.
Start an "I ~HEART~ Steve Hart" thread if you please, but stop making me giggle with your Scarlett O'Hara theatrics. >>
thats funny, did somebody ask you for your 1/2 cent?
mike, I am a good guy who flys off the handle ever once in a long while.
Comments
Steve's commitment to his product quality, customer service, and overall attitude towards customers is why many on these baords recommend him.
This is fairly straightforward- if you like his product, buy it. Feel free to recommend it to someone else, but don't expect anything in return. FOr example, my accountant is great and I've sent at least a dozen customers his way, who are now lifelong customers. He gives me a little break on my bill but I certainly don't expect it or have ever asked for it. If he didn't give me the break, I'd still happily be using his services every year.
Also, you have to understand the margins on unopened product aren't that big. It's nearly impossible to find unopened cases at wholesale prices. Any discount he gives is cutting fairly deep into his percentages. In fact, I imagine he has overpaid for quite a few things in order to gain the reputation of having a well-rounded portfolio.
Lee
Steve
And you did, so where is the beef?
What i did not care for was your comparing us to pimps and him as our HO. Sorry if some of the guys don't see it that way. Some did.
Steve
<< <i>
What i did not care for was your comparing us to pimps and him as our HO. Sorry if some of the guys don't see it that way. Some did.
Steve >>
I guess I didn't take the sensitivity of this board into account. I didn't see any harm in it -- but I can see how others could take offense.
I'll try to be a bit more selective in my choice of language next time...
-t
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
Steve
I like DSL. Great cards. Others will complain that they get favors in grading and don't take paypal.
Whoever mentioned that he is knocking down the price up to 10% on these group purchases is right to say that this is a commission, rebate, kickback whatever you wish to call it.
After the last week most of us put a high value on piece of mind. If your cards aren't shipped in a timely manner or have been messed with what commission do you put on that?
<< <i>No biggie blind.
Steve >>
Blind,
You seem like a great guy. Before this thread anyway
Osama
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>
<< <i>No biggie blind.
Steve >>
Blind,
You seem like a great guy. Before this thread anyway
Osama >>
Fair enough, Softparade. I could have also done without the "uneducated" comment, as well as the insinuation that you knew exactly my intent for posting. But I digress .... I do apologize for liking you to a Terrorist with stubborn faith. Fact is, I knew I'd be opening a potential can of worms with some of the language I used and knowing the immense love affair this board has for Steve.
I appreciate the apology. I will definitely be more mindful of my posts going forward.
Onward to better threads and more hugs.
-t
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
Lee
<< <i>
Well, at least they're only plastic, it'd be even worse if they were the real kind of explosives!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Lee
Was kidding, CD, but thanks anyway!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Lee
I understand what you're asking and appreciate the courage to ask a hard question.
The problem is in the wording IMO - you ask a serious question and showcase it with interesting rhetoric.
I'm not really sure of the answer.
But, first - he's been around a long time and the business we give him doesn't amount to as much as one might think.
Plus, Steve buys high quality stuff - if you check his "buy" vs. "sell" prices, you will see a profit margin that's way lower than the guy who buys something for a buck and sells it for 2 to 3.
On the "touting" of his products - that's what businesses expect - IMO - internal marketing - e.g. friend telling a friend - is far more effective for some businesses than external marketings - ads in newspapers, magazines, on TV etc.
Now, "rewards" have been offered for loyalty and questionable products have been replaced without questions.
So, he's providing good products, coupled with good service. That's reward enough for me.
And, last, again - CU's contribution to the annual gross of BBCEx is small - but Steve treats it like it was the ONLY business he gets IMO.
In general and this is not directed at you or anyone in particular: customers' expectations should be met but not with a personal sense of entitlement IMO. If you know what I mean?
mike
Lee
<< <i>Stone, well said. You deserve a reward. Why don't you go make yourself a sandwich.
Lee >>
Wow!
This has been a BAD day.
A good friend flew in today for an implant course downtown.
I took him to lunch - large burger/fries.
Then I had a fish sandwich/fries and ice cream for desert for dinner!!!!
I can't eat for 11 days to make those calories up!!!!
But thanx Lee.
I'll have a bottle of cold water instead.
<< <i>
So, he's providing good products, coupled with good service. That's reward enough for me.
And, last, again - CU's contribution to the annual gross of BBCEx is small - but Steve treats it like it was the ONLY business he gets IMO.
mike >>
Stone, solid post -- per your usual.
Though I do disagree with your statement of fact above. How are we to know BBCE's gross and our % of it? I would think that a 75 mini case at $25k and 78 case at $9k would be a pretty big dent in any dealer's cross. But only Steve would be able to talk intelligently to any specific numbers and percentages.
But that's besides the point. For anybody in the community that wishes to continue free word-of-mouth advertising for BBCE -- be my guest. It's not my place to tell you otherwise.
I was just bringing up an observation at the sheer volume of plugs he seemed to be getting in recent weeks. Maybe the Gary saga had something to do with it, I don't know ... I just couldn't seem to read a post without some comment praising/recommending/advocating BBCE. So much so that I thought I'd bring it up.
Really .. nothing more, nothing less.
-t
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
cuz its hard to care w/ a bag around your head!!!
muhahahah
julen
RIP GURU
<< <i>
<< <i>
So, he's providing good products, coupled with good service. That's reward enough for me.
And, last, again - CU's contribution to the annual gross of BBCEx is small - but Steve treats it like it was the ONLY business he gets IMO.
mike >>
Stone, solid post -- per your usual.
Though I do disagree with your statement of fact above. How are we to know BBCE's gross and our % of it? I would think that a 75 mini case at $25k and 78 case at $9k would be a pretty big dent in any dealer's cross. But only Steve would be able to talk intelligently to any specific numbers and percentages.
But that's besides the point. For anybody in the community that wishes to continue free word-of-mouth advertising for BBCE -- be my guest. It's not my place to tell you otherwise.
I was just bringing up an observation at the sheer volume of plugs he seemed to be getting in recent weeks. Maybe the Gary saga had something to do with it, I don't know ... I just couldn't seem to read a post without some comment praising/recommending/advocating BBCE. So much so that I thought I'd bring it up.
Really .. nothing more, nothing less.
-t >>
Tom
If you check the "buy" price for a 75T mini Box - it's 1100$ - unless this is false advertising, he's gonna offer ya 23K for your clean case.
So his flip profit was probably marginal.
Gross in business is meaningless without a total breakdown of the cost of doing business.
BBCEx is a regular advertiser in SCD - full page - which runs between a grand and 750$ - depending on the frequency.
And I would say - and this is a guess - he places like 2 per month.
He travels all over the country - the expense is incredible.
IMO, the amount of money he's made here is negligible - I'm talking profit.
mike
<< <i>
IMO, the amount of money he's made here is negligible - I'm talking profit.
mike >>
that you may be right on. I really have no idea.
-t
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
<< <i>
<< <i>Stone, well said. You deserve a reward. Why don't you go make yourself a sandwich.
Lee >>
Wow!
This has been a BAD day.
A good friend flew in today for an implant course downtown.
I took him to lunch - large burger/fries.
Then I had a fish sandwich/fries and ice cream for desert for dinner!!!!
I can't eat for 11 days to make those calories up!!!!
But thanx Lee.
I'll have a bottle of cold water instead.
What's an implant course?
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Stone, well said. You deserve a reward. Why don't you go make yourself a sandwich.
Lee >>
Wow!
This has been a BAD day.
A good friend flew in today for an implant course downtown.
I took him to lunch - large burger/fries.
Then I had a fish sandwich/fries and ice cream for desert for dinner!!!!
I can't eat for 11 days to make those calories up!!!!
But thanx Lee.
I'll have a bottle of cold water instead.
What's an implant course? >>
He's a Prosthodontist in the Army - specialty is crown and bridge but he is also trained in placement of implants - this is a continuing education course. Years ago, the best a dentist could offer for a missing tooth was a bridge to fill the gap - today implants and crowns over the implants can be placed and look as natural as the original missing tooth.
But, that's just a guess - cuz I stayed at a......
mike
<< <i>
What's an implant course? >>
I was thinking of asking the same thing, until I realized maybe I dont want to know. The picture in my head assures me I know EXACTLY what it is, and I like it.
<< <i>
<< <i>
IMO, the amount of money he's made here is negligible - I'm talking profit.
mike >>
that you may be right on. I really have no idea.
-t >>
I'll tell ya what - if they were mini-dag boxes? Profit is off the chart!
<< <i> I was just bringing up an observation at the sheer volume of plugs he seemed to be getting in recent weeks.
-t >>
Steve Hart has been getting the same volume of "plugs" that he has since I joined this forum in late 2004. I was directed his way by guys who never post here anymore and by guys that still do.
Blind, you were skeptical at first of the very deserving pile on that followed the most recent fiasco and you seem to be a bit wary about a true top notch guy in this hobby at this moment in time.
Perhaps it is your nature to shun the majority opinion ..... I know that now.
Cheers!
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>
<< <i> I was just bringing up an observation at the sheer volume of plugs he seemed to be getting in recent weeks.
-t >>
Steve Hart has been getting the same volume of "plugs" that he has since I joined this forum in late 2004. I was directed his way by guys who never post here anymore and by guys that still do.
Blind, you were skeptical at first of the very deserving pile on that followed the most recent fiasco and you seem to be a bit wary about a true top notch guy in this hobby at this moment in time.
Perhaps it is your nature to shun the majority opinion ..... I know that now.
Cheers!
One thing to add-- and we're all guilty of this, or at least I certainly am--is that message boards like these can attract strong opinions from people who really have little idea what they're talking about. If someone says "I've bought thousands of dollars of resealed crap from Mark Murphy, and have never gotten a resealed pack from Steve Hart', then that person is in a position to speak intelligently on Steve Hart's integrity relative to that of other dealers. But if the extend of someone's vintage pack buying is a few '85 Football boxes and maybe a handful of '70's racks, and all of these were bought from Steve, then no-- this person is not in a position to speak intelligently on the matter, since they haven't dealt with other dealers. They can say 'Steve's stuff is great'--- that's fine-- but they can't say 'Steve's stuff is better than everyone else's, because-well, because they have no idea if it is or isn't.
This sounds like a question of semantics, but I really don't think it is. If the purpose of these boards is to both recreate AND educate then speaking about Steve's product and service relative to that of other highly visible dealers is just as enlightening, if not more so, then simply discussing Steve's product in a vacuum.
<< <i>
Blind, you were skeptical at first of the very deserving pile on that followed the most recent fiasco and you seem to be a bit wary about a true top notch guy in this hobby at this moment in time.
Perhaps it is your nature to shun the majority opinion ..... I know that now.
Cheers!
Astute obversation, but I disagree.
The accusations against Dagget early on were all circumstantial. I am am man of logic and fact -- trying my best of avoid emotion taking over an argument . In regards to Dagget, I was merely reserving accusation until I saw more of the hard facts. As soon as Gary was caught in his first outright lie, (86F bkball box) my "support" -- if you will -- began to crumble. That entire fiasco was originally pure mob mentality based on circumstantial evidence. In the end, he was shown to be guilty, but at the point in time the mob was pouring it on that was NOT fully clear.
Secondly, Softparade, am am not wary in the least about Steve or BBCE. This thread was pointed to us, the community, in regards to how "worship-like" we seem to be towards him. This is NOT a dig at him, nor does it insinuate that he is anything less than top notch. If anything, the CU Forum community should be angry at me b/c of an implied dig at them and their unwavering devotion to one vendor -- not Steve Hart.
Make sense?
-t
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
You all dig?
<< <i>The fact that Steve Hart is so hallowed throughout the hobby as one of the few good guys in it, that does -- unfortunately -- speak volumes about the hobby.
You all dig? >>
It is a little funny that a man could have legions ready to erect temples in his honor simply because he's an honest businessman.
shall have another one.
BTW: Cubby=Cub Fan
Lee
<< <i>Whatever you say Mr. Haggard.
Lee >>
Excuse me, but it's 'Pastor Ted' to the spiritually unwashed.
"Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins...Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins"
Steve does many many small business owners do every day , provide the best quality of product they can, at a fair price, back ed by solid customer service.
Only, I doubt they have the hysterical supporters.
No one posting with good intent should be bullied by someone who doesn't agree.
Parade's emotional attachment is kind of strange to those of us who welcome reasoned debate of a good topic.
Start an "I ~HEART~ Steve Hart" thread if you please, but stop making me giggle with your Scarlett O'Hara theatrics.
Loves me some shiny!
<< <i>this thread desperately needs a pandrews post
i was too busy being practicing my ninja e-thug powers..
+1 for nunchuk skillz..
Steve
<< <i>fanatical? like the guys that defended MINTSTATE?
Steve >>
Good point.
steve
<< <i>Geez SoftPariah, are you dating Steve?
"Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins...Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins"
Steve does many many small business owners do every day , provide the best quality of product they can, at a fair price, back ed by solid customer service.
Only, I doubt they have the hysterical supporters.
No one posting with good intent should be bullied by someone who doesn't agree.
Parade's emotional attachment is kind of strange to those of us who welcome reasoned debate of a good topic.
Start an "I ~HEART~ Steve Hart" thread if you please, but stop making me giggle with your Scarlett O'Hara theatrics. >>
Carew
I think this got out of hand.
Softparade is a good guy - he apologized for loading up on Tom.
I totally agree - people - in this case Tom - should be able to ask a hard question without fear of reprisal.
Being reasonable - BBCEx - appears to be a good company - gives good service - backs up product and has some supporters.
That's about it IMO - but they're not gonna be sending their children off the college on the profit from the purchases from this board.
The good news - when someone is skeptical - it keeps everyone including BBCEx if they're reading on their toes.
And that's a good thing IMO.
mike
Steve
edited typo
<< <i>BBCEx - appears to be a good company - gives good service - backs up product and has some supporters >>
Steve has been doing this for a long time! I use to bid on his auctions in the SCD back in 95 ,96 right up to Ebay days. I have also bought off his website before and he let me put a 1200 dollar card on layaway with no set date to pay it off!You should have seen the way it was packed, in a 12 x 12 box with a mizzilllllion peanuts! I think he deserves all the accolades because it wouldn't be very hard to be shady in this business!
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
<< <i>Geez SoftPariah, are you dating Steve?
"Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins...Dont nobody talk bout Miss jenkins"
Steve does many many small business owners do every day , provide the best quality of product they can, at a fair price, back ed by solid customer service.
Only, I doubt they have the hysterical supporters.
No one posting with good intent should be bullied by someone who doesn't agree.
Parade's emotional attachment is kind of strange to those of us who welcome reasoned debate of a good topic.
Start an "I ~HEART~ Steve Hart" thread if you please, but stop making me giggle with your Scarlett O'Hara theatrics. >>
thats funny, did somebody ask you for your 1/2 cent?
mike, I am a good guy who flys off the handle ever once in a long while.
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