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Ebay bidder offers me a deal.
holeinone1972
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So I listed my 3 piece gold set on ebay. It quickly shot up to $7k and I get this email from the high bidder.
Item: 2006-W 20th Anniversary Gold Eagle Set PCGS 1st Strike (200085933590)
Subject: Re: Question for item #200085933590 - 2006-W 20th Anniversary Gold Eagle Set PCGS 1st Strike
Q: We are the high bidder on this item. If you are willing to end the auction early with our bid, we would be prepared to pay you by cashier's check or money order, thereby saviong you the 3% PayPal fee when paid by credit card. If you decline and I ultimately turn out to be high bidder, please be advised that I will be paying through PayPal by credit card. If you check very recent completed sales of comparable sets, you will see that I have made a very competitive offer. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
The sets have been selling for about $7200, so what would you do end it early, and save the paypal fees, or let it ride?
Rob
Item: 2006-W 20th Anniversary Gold Eagle Set PCGS 1st Strike (200085933590)
Subject: Re: Question for item #200085933590 - 2006-W 20th Anniversary Gold Eagle Set PCGS 1st Strike
Q: We are the high bidder on this item. If you are willing to end the auction early with our bid, we would be prepared to pay you by cashier's check or money order, thereby saviong you the 3% PayPal fee when paid by credit card. If you decline and I ultimately turn out to be high bidder, please be advised that I will be paying through PayPal by credit card. If you check very recent completed sales of comparable sets, you will see that I have made a very competitive offer. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
The sets have been selling for about $7200, so what would you do end it early, and save the paypal fees, or let it ride?
Rob
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Russ, NCNE
<< <i>OK Why? >>
The term "please be advised" is a threat.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>OK Why? >>
Can't you recognize one when you see ONE?
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<< <i>I'd cancel his bid and block him.
Russ, NCNE >>
Ditto
<< <i>I would cancel the bid and block the bidder because the tone of the message was improper, in my opinion, and you will get bids from other folks anyway. >>
Double DITTO
roadrunner
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If so, & you do end early couldn't eBay bam you for evading fee's?
Something doesn't sound 'right' that could cause you problems down the road.
Plus, who's to say if another person wins, they won't pay by some other form than paypal?
You need to IMMEDIATELY cancel the bid!
Report the bidder for circumventing fees, and block him.
Thar cashiers check will be a forgery, I GUARANTEE it!!!!
Cancel
Block
Report
Cancel
Block
Report
(repeat as neccessary)
Yes the message came thru the ebay mail system, and yes it shows up in my myebay page.
CANCEL HIM. BLOCK...ADVISE EBAY...I THINK HE'S A SPOOFER
the username was spitoon66 if anyone is interested.
Thanks Rob
Now I hope I get some great biddding now.
<< <i>OK how do I cancel the bid? >>
Click here.
To block him, click here.
Russ, NCNE
Russ, NCNE
Russ, NCNE
I can understand all the arguments about the tone of his message, the possiblity of a scam, etc. What I can't understand is why anyone believes it is unethical. You, as the seller, always have the ability to close an auction early to the high bidder. That is all he is asking to have happen - not to have it sold off ebay. The buyer has the right to pay in any method that is accepted in the auction. Remember, even if he was high bidder, he could try to send a bad CC/MO.
It seems to me that he feels he is at a fair offer on the set, wants to get it as cheaply as possible, and is willing to split the savings with the seller by not using Paypal. None of this is unethical or against Ebay/Paypal rules as long as the sale is completed through Ebay.
I will say, however, that I would have refused his offer solely based on him telling me he will use Paypal if he is high bidder - it sounds like a threat. He may have been emphasizing the fact that he was planning on paying by Paypal and will switch to CC/MO if it is ended early. Sure doesn't sound like a reason to block or to report. However, if he got nasty after I said no, all bets are off.
Jeff
<< <i>What I can't understand is why anyone believes it is unethical. You, as the seller, always have the ability to close an auction early to the high bidder. >>
I'd get those who expressed that opinion didn't carefully read the post.
Russ, NCNE
I have NEVER accepted one of these offers, and I have NEVER left money on the table.
He is making you that offer because he knows it will go for more... Why else would he?
Jonathan
Make sure he has a confirmed address. This smells bad to me.
Been on EBAY for a while and seen alot . This isnt new.
AZCoin Devil
<< <i>There are lots of people in the world who believe the rules don't apply to them. I follow the rules. If it were me I would politely tell him that I wouldn't even consider such a thing. However, I don't think it's my job to teach the rest of the world ethics. If I thought his money was good I would not cancel his bid. --Jerry >>
Jerry: From what I glean from your thread, if his money's good nothing else matters. There's a name for women who think this way. Would you really want to begin doing business with an arrogant extortionist such as this? How do we ever hope to correct some of the wrongs in this business if we're only in it for the money. This creep should be blocked and reported. As Edmund Burke observed "all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
Dave W
The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer.
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<< <i>What Russ said PLUS, report him to Ebay. That should fix it. >>
Trying to circumvent the Ebay or Paypal process is a good way to get Naru'd. I would report him and send a copy of the email to Ebay.
I guess we will see. Maybe by blocking him/her and cancelling the bid, it will keep more bidders fighting it out, and maybe result in a better auction for me in the long run. On the other hand, maybe if I left the bid alone, other bidders could have seen this as a time to buy as something is happening with the value of this set??????
Patience has never been my strong suit, but I did cancel block him, and will let the auction run it's course.
Here's hoping.
Rob
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<< <i>There are lots of people in the world who believe the rules don't apply to them. I follow the rules. If it were me I would politely tell him that I wouldn't even consider such a thing. However, I don't think it's my job to teach the rest of the world ethics. If I thought his money was good I would not cancel his bid. --Jerry >>
Jerry: From what I glean from your thread, if his money's good nothing else matters. There's a name for women who think this way. Would you really want to begin doing business with an arrogant extortionist such as this? How do we ever hope to correct some of the wrongs in this business if we're only in it for the money. This creep should be blocked and reported. As Edmund Burke observed "all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." Dave W The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer. David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com >>
Well it turned out he was a scammer anyway.
But if you really want to only do business with ONLY ethical people you're going to have to screen them and if you could get them to fill out an anonymous questionaire, you may find that many of the people you do business with are not very nice. Many of the people on the forum here express opinions that make it clear they are not the kind of person I'd ever want to share a lunch with, let alone be my friend. But it would be wrong to refuse to sell them a coin.
Selling things is a two way street. I get the money and they get the privalege of buying from me. Don't get me wrong, it's no more of a privalege to buy from me than anyone else but this is a free country and a buyer generally has the right to shop and buy from a variety of sellers. Nobody has set me up as a judge. I will block bidders to protect myself but not to enforce my ethics on them.
My point is that I don't try to change the world to be like me. I protect myself and except for a few rules like not selling coins to terrorists as a money laundering scheme, I let the rest of the world make their own choices about what kind of people they want to be.
I hope that the cancelled bid doesn't spook the rest of the bidders. Ebay bidders are very easily scared off, especially a high dollar item. I would consider cancelling the auction and relisting a month from now if the bidding totally goes flat.
--Jerry
There are a great many people on and off these boards making deals off E-bay etc all the time. Sometimes you have to go the extra mile to get what you want. BUT, with this bidder, I would do the same thing, block and report. Let him know what you did and why. Maybe then, he'll be a little better with his verbage if he should desire to make an offer in the future. We all make mistakes. Hopefully we learn from them, or, better yet, if we learn from other people's mistakes then we don't get hurt. That's another big factor in these boards. Discussion of old and new, buy/sell/trade.
Even if you don't get the bids as high as he went, does it matter if he wouldn't have bouhgt the set anyway? This way, you saved the time and agrevation, because you are supposed to wait 30 days after the auction ends to see if you get paid or not. Let's just hope more real bidders step up to the plate and go for the gold. GOOD LUCK! Ray
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<< <i>There are lots of people in the world who believe the rules don't apply to them. I follow the rules. If it were me I would politely tell him that I wouldn't even consider such a thing. However, I don't think it's my job to teach the rest of the world ethics. If I thought his money was good I would not cancel his bid. --Jerry >>
Jerry: From what I glean from your thread, if his money's good nothing else matters. There's a name for women who think this way. Would you really want to begin doing business with an arrogant extortionist such as this? How do we ever hope to correct some of the wrongs in this business if we're only in it for the money. This creep should be blocked and reported. As Edmund Burke observed "all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." Dave W The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer. David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com >>
Well it turned out he was a scammer anyway.
But if you really want to only do business with ONLY ethical people you're going to have to screen them and if you could get them to fill out an anonymous questionaire, you may find that many of the people you do business with are not very nice. Many of the people on the forum here express opinions that make it clear they are not the kind of person I'd ever want to share a lunch with, let alone be my friend. But it would be wrong to refuse to sell them a coin.
Selling things is a two way street. I get the money and they get the privalege of buying from me. Don't get me wrong, it's no more of a privalege to buy from me than anyone else but this is a free country and a buyer generally has the right to shop and buy from a variety of sellers. Nobody has set me up as a judge. I will block bidders to protect myself but not to enforce my ethics on them.
My point is that I don't try to change the world to be like me. I protect myself and except for a few rules like not selling coins to terrorists as a money laundering scheme, I let the rest of the world make their own choices about what kind of people they want to be.
I hope that the cancelled bid doesn't spook the rest of the bidders. Ebay bidders are very easily scared off, especially a high dollar item. I would consider cancelling the auction and relisting a month from now if the bidding totally goes flat.
--Jerry >>
Jerry: I'm sure you are quite right that I along with all the rest of us have done and will do business with unsavory people especially people we don't know on the internet.
I never try to force my ethics or my interpretation of right and wrong on anyone. But once I find someone to be dishonest in his dealings I stop doing business with him.
I am not referring to anything else in that persons personal life which is absolutely none of my business.
I will however judge and hold accountable anyone who is dishonest and disreputable in his business dealings as I expect to be judged and held accountable in mine. I will refuse to do business with such a person.
When I have personal knowledge of a person's disreputable business dealings I will also warn others so as to prevent them from being victimized.
I don't believe my position is one of holier than thou. It is just good ethical business practice. Dave W
The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer.
David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com
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<< <i>There are lots of people in the world who believe the rules don't apply to them. I follow the rules. If it were me I would politely tell him that I wouldn't even consider such a thing. However, I don't think it's my job to teach the rest of the world ethics. If I thought his money was good I would not cancel his bid. --Jerry >>
Jerry: From what I glean from your thread, if his money's good nothing else matters. There's a name for women who think this way. Would you really want to begin doing business with an arrogant extortionist such as this? How do we ever hope to correct some of the wrongs in this business if we're only in it for the money. This creep should be blocked and reported. As Edmund Burke observed "all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." Dave W The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer. David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com >>
Well it turned out he was a scammer anyway. But if you really want to only do business with ONLY ethical people you're going to have to screen them and if you could get them to fill out an anonymous questionaire, you may find that many of the people you do business with are not very nice. Many of the people on the forum here express opinions that make it clear they are not the kind of person I'd ever want to share a lunch with, let alone be my friend. But it would be wrong to refuse to sell them a coin. Selling things is a two way street. I get the money and they get the privalege of buying from me. Don't get me wrong, it's no more of a privalege to buy from me than anyone else but this is a free country and a buyer generally has the right to shop and buy from a variety of sellers. Nobody has set me up as a judge. I will block bidders to protect myself but not to enforce my ethics on them. My point is that I don't try to change the world to be like me. I protect myself and except for a few rules like not selling coins to terrorists as a money laundering scheme, I let the rest of the world make their own choices about what kind of people they want to be. I hope that the cancelled bid doesn't spook the rest of the bidders. Ebay bidders are very easily scared off, especially a high dollar item. I would consider cancelling the auction and relisting a month from now if the bidding totally goes flat. --Jerry >>
Jerry: I'm sure you are quite right that I along with all the rest of us have done and will do business with unsavory people especially people we don't know on the internet. I never try to force my ethics or my interpretation of right and wrong on anyone. But once I find someone to be dishonest in his dealings I stop doing business with him. I am not referring to anything else in that persons personal life which is absolutely none of my business. I will however judge and hold accountable anyone who is dishonest and disreputable in his business dealings as I expect to be judged and held accountable in mine. I will refuse to do business with such a person. When I have personal knowledge of a person's disreputable business dealings I will also warn others so as to prevent them from being victimized. I don't believe my position is one of holier than thou. It is just good ethical business practice. Dave W The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer. David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com >>
I agree that when I find someone dishonest I quit doing business with them. This guy came across to me as a punk just trying to make a lame threat and in his mind "bend" the rules. I've recieved worse threats that that in the past week. And maybe if it had been my auction I would have gone ahead and blocked him. I'm sure my "if I think his money is good" statement might have sounded greedy but what I really meant was "protect yourself from a scammer first". --Jerry
Sounds a lot like uncle Guido, doesn't it ?
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<< <i>What Russ said PLUS, report him to Ebay. That should fix it. >>
Trying to circumvent the Ebay or Paypal process is a good way to get Naru'd. I would report him and send a copy of the email to Ebay. >>
It didn't sound like he was expliciting trying to get the item sold off of eBay. There is an option to end an auction and sell it to the current high bidder and it is not againest eBay's rules, because you are still completing the sale with eBay.
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<< <i>What he is asking you to do is against the eBay rules, you should cancel his bid and report him to eBay! >>
You should probably re-read the post.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>What he is asking you to do is against the eBay rules, you should cancel his bid and report him to eBay! >>
You should probably re-read the post.
Russ, NCNE >>
"We are the high bidder on this item. If you are willing to end the auction early with our bid"
Yep, you are right, he his playing by Ebay rules.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>Let us know if he communicates with you again, might be interesting what he has to say, knowing what we now know. Can someone who is blocked from bidding still communicate with you through the ebay message system? >>
Yes, they can. People here have mentioned getting contact from blocked bidders asking why they are blocked or to take them off so they can bid.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
many times the written word come off differently then intended.
IMO the phrase 'please be advised' is exactly what it says. I guess he could have said ' let it be known' or any other way of getting the message across.
Steve