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Genuine ? Cast ? Environmental Damage ?

longtimecollectorlongtimecollector Posts: 2,368 ✭
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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    My vote is genuine from tired old dies.
    Tom

  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Surfaces look funny, so I vote fake, but I don't know squat.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I vote that it needs to go to ANACS or SEGS for authentication.
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  • longtimecollectorlongtimecollector Posts: 2,368 ✭
    Original mintage only 54K, and from 3 pairs of dies with 5 marriages....... I don't think the dies had time to get tired image
    Cam-Slam 2-6-04
    3 "DAMMIT BOYS"
    4 "YOU SUCKS"
    Numerous POTD (But NONE officially recognized)
    Seated Halves are my specialty !
    Seated Half set by date/mm COMPLETE !
    Seated Half set by WB# - 289 down / 31 to go !!!!!
    (1) "Smoebody smack him" from CornCobWipe !
    IN MEMORY OF THE CUOF image
  • yellowjacketyellowjacket Posts: 1,809 ✭
    Fake...cast.

    Garrow
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another vote for fake. Not the type of coin I would buy raw in any event.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no idea if the mint mark has the same born-on date as the rest of the coin, but the coin itself looks genuine.
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    i vote fake.

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  • lkrarecoinslkrarecoins Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭
    I dont like the mintmark...I wouldnt bid on it if i was guaranteed a date with Cindy Crawford image
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I vote for cast counterfeit.
  • BRdudeBRdude Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭
    ditto's on the cast counterfiet,, and not even a good oneimage
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  • options26options26 Posts: 1,431


    << <i>ditto's on the cast counterfiet,, and not even a good oneimage >>

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  • ABSilvercoinsABSilvercoins Posts: 309

    Having received a few counterfeits, I learned how to get a quick idea in just a minute's time.

    - Get an exact weight. Check the coinfacts page to compare.

    - Look for the telltale line around the edge--all cast coins will have it to some degree or another.

    - Do a ring test on a smooth, hard surface. Compare it to the sound of a genuine half.

    If it passes these checks, you may be 99% sure you have a good coin.
    //ab

  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Is it a correct weight for a half dollar, 192 grains, if I remember correctly?
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  • longtimecollectorlongtimecollector Posts: 2,368 ✭
    Not my coin....... the images just looked "off", so I posted here trying to see what you experts thought image
    Cam-Slam 2-6-04
    3 "DAMMIT BOYS"
    4 "YOU SUCKS"
    Numerous POTD (But NONE officially recognized)
    Seated Halves are my specialty !
    Seated Half set by date/mm COMPLETE !
    Seated Half set by WB# - 289 down / 31 to go !!!!!
    (1) "Smoebody smack him" from CornCobWipe !
    IN MEMORY OF THE CUOF image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Original mintage only 54K, and from 3 pairs of dies with 5 marriages...

    Why guess? Compare the date and the mintmark positions to the known varieties. If it's a perfect match, we can't condemn it from the photo.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake in my humble opinion.
    bob
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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    image


    ANACS AU details corroded


    the coin you pictured is damaged at least and probably fake
  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    I vote cast fake.
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll answer with another coin being sold by the same seller:
    1889-CC Morgan AU-53? No earthly way

    Ebay sellers shouldn't be able to get away with ridiculous overgrading just by putting a "?" at the end of their listing title! image

    This kind of listing would keep me far away from bidding on the 1870-CC half from the same seller.

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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    I do not know the dies for the half dollars, but it does not appear to be a cast counterfeit to me at all. The stars and obv shield look right for genuine from the dies. No extraneous bumps and pits from a transfer from an imperfect coin (or coins) Could it be an altered coin? Yes. If you know all of the correct date and mint mark positions for the dies used, that should figure it out.
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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    the seller says....


    Satiny fields with silver-gray toning. Superior appearance that heightens the overall strong eye appeal of this scarce issue. BREEN 4954 RARE! KEY DATE! Under 110 1870 CC $.50’s known to EXIST! This elusive date that saw 54,617 examples produced at the CARSON CITY Mint. Take a good look at this collectors item.... Grading of coins is subjective. Certifying companies frequently assign different grades to the same coin. Everyone grades a little differently, so I'll let you do the final grading. Each coin comes in a tamper proof holder. I guarantee that this coin is authentic and that the images below are unaltered digital photographs of the actual coin.



    and from a powerseller - worthy of a $5K bid
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  • PinnacleRaritiesPinnacleRarities Posts: 172
    IMO "Questionable Authenticity" certification suggested.
  • WritersblockWritersblock Posts: 1,196 ✭
    I'd like to do a comparison with the known dies, but I would not condemn it out of hand from what I see in the pictures so far. I think that slightly porous Lock is not unusual on the very early CC coins.
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Update - - coin sold on ebay for $2,907.57 - - good luck to the buyer.

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  • seatedcollectorseatedcollector Posts: 976 ✭
    one way would be to study heritage archives for a matching die pair, if one cannot be found, try matching the OBV up to a lesser value such as a P mint, if all that fails, try a post on the seated boards


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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    altered date and mintmark
  • seatedcollectorseatedcollector Posts: 976 ✭
    why would anyone alter the date AND mintmark ?? isnt it usually one or the other ?
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>why would anyone alter the date AND mintmark ?? isnt it usually one or the other ? >>



    My guess is holed and plugged.

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  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Am I way off?

    I don't thing this heap is even close to looking right. Heck, it's not even round on the revese. The detail is mushy. Looks like so many other Chinese fakes.

    If it's real, I'd miss the boat on it.
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    looks like it was a metal detector find to me and then it was scrubbed up.
  • ipmmanipmman Posts: 565
    Cast

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