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If the edge is missing the lettering how do you tell what mint it is from?

Mmmmmm, I wonder if there is any way to tell the Denver mint coins from the Philly mint errors?

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,607 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's an easy answer. It's from Philly. Denver doesn't screw up making coins.
    How often are there such errors out of Denver ?
    Please do not refer to the Wisconsin Leaf coins, as they were pre-manufactured dies and do not count as a basis for arguement. image
  • If they smell real bad, they are from Phillyimage
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps by the other coins in the roll? Just a wild guess... Cheers, RickO
  • If they are from Philly they will have grease o them.
    coins are my life
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Plus there's no date on them.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,607 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Perhaps by the other coins in the roll? Just a wild guess... Cheers, RickO >>



    on a more serious note: The location they are found usually will determine, also.

    Does anyone know how distribution works or where the dividing lines are (State by State) on distribution of the minted business strike coins ???????????
  • These coins have been found in both D rolls ( chicago area ) and P rolls (northern florida)
  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    Only your buffer knows
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  • << <i>Plus there's no date on them. >>



    OMG, we will never know that the 2007 Wasington dollars were minted in 2007. image
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  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like 1965 all over again.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you want to learn something about numismatics conduct a die study of known P and D mint coins. Cataloge the different dies for each and then compare the unmarked coin to see which die it is from.
  • Since 300,000,000 of these coins were minted, how many dies would that be? I am thinking that even if a die lasted 100,000,000 strikes that would be alot of die varieties. Do they last longer than that?


  • << <i>Since 300,000,000 of these coins were minted, how many dies would that be? I am thinking that even if a die lasted 100,000,000 strikes that would be alot of die varieties. Do they last longer than that? >>

    A die would never last that long. Probably about 500,000-1,000,000 strikes per die is reasonable.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,308 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Perhaps by the other coins in the roll? Just a wild guess... Cheers, RickO >>



    on a more serious note: The location they are found usually will determine, also.

    Does anyone know how distribution works or where the dividing lines are (State by State) on distribution of the minted business strike coins ??????????? >>



    Generally, but not always, P minted coins are distributed east of the Mississippi River while Denver minted coins are distributed west of said river.
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  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
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  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    Some on this Forum claim to know the difference, but they ain't telling???
    A grievious microscopic study of many many coins may provide the answer.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Some on this Forum claim to know the difference, but they ain't telling???
    A grievious microscopic study of many many coins may provide the answer. >>



    I have posted regarding this several times. Do a search.
    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • I'm suprised...!!...as collectors we should know this answer imediately...You flip it in the air.If it lands on heads ..it's from Phil..if it's tails then it's from Denver..........image
    ......Larry........image
  • the denver ones cost more...................
  • mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭
    >>>>>>>>>>>>I'm suprised...!!...as collectors we should know this answer imediately...You flip it in the air.If it lands on heads ..it's from Phil..if it's tails then it's from Denver..........>>>>>>>>>>



    What if it lands on the unlettered edge?image
  • GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374


    << <i>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm suprised...!!...as collectors we should know this answer imediately...You flip it in the air.If it lands on heads ..it's from Phil..if it's tails then it's from Denver..........>>>>>>>>>>



    What if it lands on the unlettered edge?image >>


    Then you will be able to read peoples minds...!!!! One of the old Twilight Zone episodes....!!!
    Here's the Link........... .....a penny for your thoughts!!!
    ......Larry........image
  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461


    << <i>

    << <i>Some on this Forum claim to know the difference, but they ain't telling??? A grievious microscopic study of many many coins may provide the answer.

    >>

    I have posted regarding this several times. Do a search. TD >>




    You ain't telling and who really cares. Just spin them on a table, if they creep west--D, if they creep east--P.
    If they creep north or south, they have received a buff and rim job.
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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And, there's NOT 300,000 of 'em. (Washington Plain Edges)

    Based on the services, known hoards, etc.,
    I estimate 75,000 to 100,000 max, or thereabouts.
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • Fred, didn't you have an article a short while ago about discerning the P's from the D's according to the layers visible on the edge of the coin?
    EAC member since 2011, one third of the way through my 1793 large cent type set
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I've bought about 185 or so Plain Edge's from
    Denver rolls - two groups, one from a local coin
    dealer here on Ventura Blvd. (whom I've known for
    over 37 years), and another group from a person
    who found them at a Bank, also on Ventura Blvd.
    in Sherman Oaks, and they brought the wrappers, etc.

    There is a difference, but it is NOT enough for the
    Grading Services to differentiate and list as
    "Denver"....I've sold about 170 of them with a signed
    letter of explaination on my company's letterhead.

    Fred
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    A dingy, bonified, unadulterated, paranoic maniac of low character
    has suggested that the US Mint deliberately alowed a number
    of plain edge dollars into circulation--some from Denver and
    and an equal number from Philly. He said this was done in an effort
    to inspire interest in coins they knew would be a flop.
    He claimed to be a numismatist or something on opium
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