bgs grades are in......................

itsinthegrade

4911231 2005 International League Top Prospects Choice Scott Baker 9.5
4911230 1989 Canton-Akron Indians Star Joey Belle 9.5
4911229 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Tyler Colvin 9.5
4911228 1996 Greenville Braves Team Issue Andruw Jones 9.5
4911221 1987 Southern League All-Stars Jennings Larry Walker 9.5
4911219 2004 Pulaski Blue Jays Choice Chi-Hung Cheng 9.5
4911208 2005 International League Top Prospects Choice William Bergolla 9.5
4911207 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand David Murphy 9.5
4911206 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Philip Hughes 9.5
4911205 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Carlos Gomez 9.5
4911204 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Craig Hansen 9.5
4911203 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Denard Span 9.5
4911202 2006 Akron Aeros Multi-Ad Adam Miller 9.5
4911199 2005 Jamestown Jammers Team Issue Kris Harvey 9.5
4911195 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4911194 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4911193 2005 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4911192 2005 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4911191 1993 Richmond Braves Fleer/ProCards Javy Lopez 9.5
4911190 1993 Richmond Braves Fleer/ProCards Chipper Jones 9.5
4911189 1994 South Atlantic League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Jermaine Dye 9.5
4911188 1994 Hickory Crawdads Fleer/ProCards Magglio Ordonez 9.5
4911187 1994 Clearwater Phillies Fleer/ProCards Kent Blasingame 9.5
4911186 1994 Clearwater Phillies Fleer/ProCards Kent Blasingame 9.5
4911185 1994 Florida State League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Derek Jeter 9.5
4911184 1994 Florida State League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Derek Jeter 9.5
4911182 1997 Southern League Top Prospects Best Miguel Tejada 9.5
4911181 1982 Jackson Mets TCMA Darryl Strawberry 9.5
4911180 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Brandon Erbe 9.5
4911179 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Brandon Erbe 9.5
4911178 2003 Sacramento River Cats Multi-Ad Rich Harden 9.5
4911177 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Russell Martin 9.5
4911176 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chin-Lung Hu 9.0
4911175 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chin-Lung Hu 9.5
4911174 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chad Billingsley 9.5
4911173 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chad Billingsley 9.5
4911172 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chad Billingsley 9.5
4911171 2002 Florida State League Prospects Grandstand Jose Reyes 9.5
4911170 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Kuo Hui Lo 9.5
4911169 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Kuo Hui Lo 9.5
4911168 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Kuo Hui Lo 9.5
4911167 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Chao Wu 9.5
4911166 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Chao Wu 9.5
4911165 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Chao Wu 9.5
4911164 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Jeremy Papelbon 9.5
4911163 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Mark Pawelek 10.0
4911162 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Jeff Samardzija 9.5
4911161 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Jeff Samardzija 9.5
4911160 2003 Sacramento River Cats Multi-Ad Rich Harden 9.5
4911159 2005 Rancho Cucamonga Quakes Grandstand Kendry Morales 9.5
4911158 2003 Casper Rockies Grandstand Ian Stewart 9.5
4911261 1993 Triple A All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Javier Lopez 9.5
4911260 1993 South Atlantic League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Derek Jeter 9.5
4911259 1994 Midwest League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Raul Ibanez 9.5
4911258 1994 Midwest League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Alex Rodriguez 9.5
4911257 1994 South Atlantic League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Richie Sexson 10.0
4911256 1994 Carolina League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Johnny Damon 9.5
4911255 1994 South Atlantic League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Magglio Ordonez 9.5
4911254 1994 Carolina League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Trot Nixon 9.5
4911253 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Curtis Thigpen 9.5
4911252 1992 Greensboro Hornets Classic/Best Jorge Posada 9.5
4911251 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Kuo Hui Lo 9.5
4911250 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Chao Wu 9.5
4911249 1998 San Antonio Missions Multi-Ad Paul LoDuca 9.5
4911248 1998 San Antonio Missions Multi-Ad Paul LoDuca 9.5
4911247 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Matt DeSalvo 9.5
4911246 2002 Casper Rockies Grandstand Ubaldo Jimenez 9.5
4911245 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Austin Jackson 9.5
4911244 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Austin Jackson 9.5
4911243 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Will Inman 9.5
4911242 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Clay Buchholz 9.5

CDsNuts

So basically you just went like 70 for 70. I'm speechless, but I wonder how many of those would have been PSA 10's. I've never submitted to BGS but the rumor is they're getting easier on giving out 9.5's. I can't imagine a PSA sub this perfect. Great work.


Lee

Edit: Didn't see the 9.0. What were you thinking on that one!!

itsinthegrade

i submitted 265 cards & these were the 9.5's

CDsNuts

Ooooooooooooooooooh...... Sorry, sometimes I don't know how to look at things and understand them. Clearly anybody who looks at the cert #s can tell they're part of a bigger submission. Still great results. If I could bat over .350 on my PSA subs, I'd be a rich man. Just out of curiosity, why do you choose BGS? I've never submitted to them so I confess my perception is not based on my own experience. The reason I use PSA is because it seems the cards demand more in PSA slabs when I go to sell them. I keep the cards in my own collection raw, so I only grade for selling purposes.

Lee

Boopotts

<< <i>i submitted 265 cards & these were the 9.5's >>




Why did you change your handle?

fandango

<< <i>Ooooooooooooooooooh...... Sorry, sometimes I don't know how to look at things and understand them. Clearly anybody who looks at the cert #s can tell they're part of a bigger submission. Still great results. If I could bat over .350 on my PSA subs, I'd be a rich man. Just out of curiosity, why do you choose BGS? I've never submitted to them so I confess my perception is not based on my own experience. The reason I use PSA is because it seems the cards demand more in PSA slabs when I go to sell them. I keep the cards in my own collection raw, so I only grade for selling purposes.

Lee >>




Lee, i have been trying to figure out the same thing from him.....ITSINTHE GRADE has some of the best minor league stuff around, but i believe he is making a mistake by letting BGS slab them.....maybe if had more convincing from others.....

i know in my neck of the woods, the word is already out on BGS...they dont care about trimmed cards and they will bump anything to a 9.5 if you submit it enough.....

itsinthegrade

hey guys,

if you ask around, guys who use bgs feel there getting alot more stingent on there grades. i talk to a lot of huge graders & 9.5's are becoming a thing of the past. ithe last show i was at where bgs was i guy submitted 65 cards to get bumped & hes a HUGE grader & they didnt bump any of them.
i do feel that psa has put more pressure on them, more then they have had in the past.

tedh111

Fandango, you so anit-beckett that you let your hatred blind you from the fact that an equal amount of trimmed cards get graded By psa and BGS, and i would guess that the same amount of bumps happen as well....

stown

<< <i>i talk to a lot of huge graders & 9.5's are becoming a thing of the past. >>



Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony?



<< <i>4911231 2005 International League Top Prospects Choice Scott Baker 9.5
4911230 1989 Canton-Akron Indians Star Joey Belle 9.5
4911229 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Tyler Colvin 9.5
4911228 1996 Greenville Braves Team Issue Andruw Jones 9.5
4911221 1987 Southern League All-Stars Jennings Larry Walker 9.5
4911219 2004 Pulaski Blue Jays Choice Chi-Hung Cheng 9.5
4911208 2005 International League Top Prospects Choice William Bergolla 9.5
4911207 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand David Murphy 9.5
4911206 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Philip Hughes 9.5
4911205 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Carlos Gomez 9.5
4911204 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Craig Hansen 9.5
4911203 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Denard Span 9.5
4911202 2006 Akron Aeros Multi-Ad Adam Miller 9.5
4911199 2005 Jamestown Jammers Team Issue Kris Harvey 9.5
4911195 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4911194 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4911193 2005 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4911192 2005 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Melky Cabrera 9.5
4911191 1993 Richmond Braves Fleer/ProCards Javy Lopez 9.5
4911190 1993 Richmond Braves Fleer/ProCards Chipper Jones 9.5
4911189 1994 South Atlantic League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Jermaine Dye 9.5
4911188 1994 Hickory Crawdads Fleer/ProCards Magglio Ordonez 9.5
4911187 1994 Clearwater Phillies Fleer/ProCards Kent Blasingame 9.5
4911186 1994 Clearwater Phillies Fleer/ProCards Kent Blasingame 9.5
4911185 1994 Florida State League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Derek Jeter 9.5
4911184 1994 Florida State League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Derek Jeter 9.5
4911182 1997 Southern League Top Prospects Best Miguel Tejada 9.5
4911181 1982 Jackson Mets TCMA Darryl Strawberry 9.5
4911180 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Brandon Erbe 9.5
4911179 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Brandon Erbe 9.5
4911178 2003 Sacramento River Cats Multi-Ad Rich Harden 9.5
4911177 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Russell Martin 9.5
4911176 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chin-Lung Hu 9.0
4911175 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chin-Lung Hu 9.5
4911174 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chad Billingsley 9.5
4911173 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chad Billingsley 9.5
4911172 2003 Ogden Raptors Multi-Ad Chad Billingsley 9.5
4911171 2002 Florida State League Prospects Grandstand Jose Reyes 9.5
4911170 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Kuo Hui Lo 9.5
4911169 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Kuo Hui Lo 9.5
4911168 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Kuo Hui Lo 9.5
4911167 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Chao Wu 9.5
4911166 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Chao Wu 9.5
4911165 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Chao Wu 9.5
4911164 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Jeremy Papelbon 9.5
4911163 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Mark Pawelek 10.0
4911162 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Jeff Samardzija 9.5
4911161 2006 Boise Hawks Grandstand Jeff Samardzija 9.5
4911160 2003 Sacramento River Cats Multi-Ad Rich Harden 9.5
4911159 2005 Rancho Cucamonga Quakes Grandstand Kendry Morales 9.5
4911158 2003 Casper Rockies Grandstand Ian Stewart 9.5
4911261 1993 Triple A All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Javier Lopez 9.5
4911260 1993 South Atlantic League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Derek Jeter 9.5
4911259 1994 Midwest League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Raul Ibanez 9.5
4911258 1994 Midwest League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Alex Rodriguez 9.5
4911257 1994 South Atlantic League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Richie Sexson 10.0
4911256 1994 Carolina League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Johnny Damon 9.5
4911255 1994 South Atlantic League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Magglio Ordonez 9.5
4911254 1994 Carolina League All-Stars Fleer/ProCards Trot Nixon 9.5
4911253 2006 Eastern League Top Prospects Grandstand Curtis Thigpen 9.5
4911252 1992 Greensboro Hornets Classic/Best Jorge Posada 9.5
4911251 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Kuo Hui Lo 9.5
4911250 2006 Everett AquaSox Grandstand Chao Wu 9.5
4911249 1998 San Antonio Missions Multi-Ad Paul LoDuca 9.5
4911248 1998 San Antonio Missions Multi-Ad Paul LoDuca 9.5
4911247 2003 Staten Island Yankees Multi-Ad Matt DeSalvo 9.5
4911246 2002 Casper Rockies Grandstand Ubaldo Jimenez 9.5
4911245 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Austin Jackson 9.5
4911244 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Austin Jackson 9.5
4911243 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Will Inman 9.5
4911242 2006 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Clay Buchholz 9.5 >>

SDavid

i talk to a lot of huge graders & 9.5's are becoming a thing of the past. ithe last show i was at where bgs was i guy submitted 65 cards to get bumped & hes a HUGE grader & they didnt bump any of them.

I'm not trying to pile on, but bgsgradedrookies doesn't seem to be having any problems. Not only are most of his bgs cards 9.5's, but punching in the certification numbers will reveal a long string of 9.5's.

lawnmowerman

I love Beckett threads!

Tell him Ray............

itsinthegrade

<< <i>i talk to a lot of huge graders & 9.5's are becoming a thing of the past. ithe last show i was at where bgs was i guy submitted 65 cards to get bumped & hes a HUGE grader & they didnt bump any of them.

I'm not trying to pile on, but bgsgradedrookies doesn't seem to be having any problems. Not only are most of his bgs cards 9.5's, but punching in the certification numbers will reveal a long string of 9.5's. >>



i dont know who bgsgradedrookies is but i only get gems encapsulated now. i dont know how a 9 slipped in???? so i got back close to 200 cards that didnt gem. all i can tell you is that bgs is getting more stringent & you can take it for what its worth.

halosfan

So ... let me get this straight. BGS was recently more lenient. Submit a bunch of cards for grades of GEM. BGS more stringent now. Wait until the more lenient cycle comes around and submit for more GEM grades? Where can I get a calendar of when to submit? And if any of this is really true -- why submit anything to them in a strict spell?

I hear rumors that the same cycle is repeated by each of the major companies. I can't say I buy into this. I don't submit every month but I would have to say that PSA has been remarkably consistent on my subs over time. And that is why my cards go to them.

ctsoxfan

Who buys them, though? I guess there is a market of younger, less informed collectors, who have been brainwashed by Beckett (thanks to the price guides and such) over the years - but I can't imagine any intelligent collector buying something graded by BGS. Of course, these type of minor league cards might appeal to a different market segment.

halosfan

I forgot to add ... another nice run of high grades! I would think it would be tough to swallow the grading fees on the close to 200 cards that did not "make the grade" though.

itsinthegrade

i'm not defending anyone here just posting my grades. als you better believe me in the world of business when companies are competing for the same $ a lot of shady stuff goes on. thats all companies!

Bunker

When you send cards to BGS and tell them to only grade the GEM cards, do you still pay the same amount for the cards that don't GEM? And if so why not have them graded as well?

colebear

<< <i>Who buys them, though? I guess there is a market of younger, less informed collectors, who have been brainwashed by Beckett (thanks to the price guides and such) over the years - but I can't imagine any intelligent collector buying something graded by BGS. Of course, these type of minor league cards might appeal to a different market segment. >>



Nothing like criticiizing someone with different interests than you

cravetopps

"Nothing like criticizing someone with different interests than you"

who is criticizing? It is a legitimate question. Respond with facts and refute the statments. I have zero knowledge of this segment but I am aware there is a general feeling out there that Beckett is not one of the grading companies of choice among experienced collectors and I am not sure how submitting these types of cards makes any economic sense. But, that aside, this member has a passion for BGS and minor league cards, of which I know nothing about, and we're all curious as to what kind of thinking goes into making BGS the grader of choice and whether there is an economic upside or is it just speculation and/or passion that drives his motives.

colebear

<< <i>"I guess there is a market of younger, less informed collectors, who have been brainwashed by Beckett (thanks to the price guides and such) over the years - but I can't imagine any intelligent collector buying something graded by BGS." >>



I personally collect BGS and PSA. The above statement is a critical statement. Statements like this arrogant. His question was logical, "Who buys these cards?". Then he proceeded to make the above statement. I find it critical. If he has a right to share his view I have a right to share mine. We will have to agree to disagree I guess and that is ok.

skilow

I submit to BGS because I normally don't send in that many cards per year to justify paying $100 for the right to submit my cards. Although, I only buy PSA cards. Just think of all the customers that PSA is losing because of this yearly fee.

Southerncards

SGC Rocks!

ctsoxfan

<< <i>

<< <i>"I guess there is a market of younger, less informed collectors, who have been brainwashed by Beckett (thanks to the price guides and such) over the years - but I can't imagine any intelligent collector buying something graded by BGS." >>



I personally collect BGS and PSA. The above statement is a critical statement. Statements like this arrogant. His question was logical, "Who buys these cards?". Then he proceeded to make the above statement. I find it critical. If he has a right to share his view I have a right to share mine. We will have to agree to disagree I guess and that is ok. >>



Sorry if that came across as too critical. I would like some insight, though, as to who exactly buys BGS graded cards these days. I know some people must be, but it would seem that they don't possess as much of their small market niche as they did just a few years ago. Again. I know nothing about minor league cards, so if this is just about minor league cards, then fine.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>SGC Rocks! >>

EagleEyeKid

SGC Rocks!

You need to get laid!

Boopotts

<< <i>SGC Rocks!

You need to get laid! >>



There does seem to be something singularly pathetic about being a passionate advocate of a third party grader.

jmbkb4

Competition is healthy, I agree with you.

Regarding BGS and PSA leniency, I think someone should do an experiment by submitting 100 cards to PSA and then cracking them and submitting those same 100 cards to BGS or vice versa.

Stone193

Congratulations Joe!

Good eye - superb grades.

I would like to see 4911228 1996 Greenville Braves Team Issue Andruw Jones 9.5 when ya get it in.

I'm a Braves fan.
mike

tedh111

There are many serious collectors who buy cards in BGS holders. To think that these collectors are any less intellegent or are somehow brainwashed is ridiculous and pretty ignorant. Buyers have preference for various reasons... Both companies do a good job at grading cards and both companies have their problems. For anyone to think one is any more superior to the other, really isn't looking at both sides of the coin.

Stone193

<< <i>There are many serious collectors who buy cards in BGS holders. To think that these collectors are any less intellegent or are somehow brainwashed is ridiculous and pretty ignorant. Buyers have preference for various reasons... Both companies do a good job at grading cards and both companies have their problems. For anyone to think one is any more superior to the other, really isn't looking at both sides of the coin. >>

Agree Ted.

But, I do have a question for Joe - and it goes to the heart of some of the incredulity that I'm detecting.

Why come to a PSA board and post a large amount of BGS cards that one had graded?

What are we to learn? If someone posts their PSA sub - that I can understand - it's a CU board.

I can see some feelin' an "agenda?"

It's not exactly like (itsinthegrade) he's a regular poster here?

Plus, on Jan 10th he took the time to use a "regular" thread to post his results which were PSA's but when it's time to post his BGS results - he makes a NEW thread - twice in a month.

Red lights begin to go off - perhaps?

Personally I like seeing people's results but....hmmmm.
mike

ctsoxfan

Mike, you win the prize -

I was hoping to hear something like that from the original poster - perhaps next month when his next BGS submission comes back.

gosteelers

Didn't this guy used to call himself BGSGRADEDREAM or something to that effect? All the way down to the Superman icon?

Boopotts

<< <i>

<< <i>There are many serious collectors who buy cards in BGS holders. To think that these collectors are any less intellegent or are somehow brainwashed is ridiculous and pretty ignorant. Buyers have preference for various reasons... Both companies do a good job at grading cards and both companies have their problems. For anyone to think one is any more superior to the other, really isn't looking at both sides of the coin. >>

Agree Ted.

But, I do have a question for Joe - and it goes to the heart of some of the incredulity that I'm detecting.

Why come to a PSA board and post a large amount of BGS cards that one had graded?

What are we to learn? If someone posts their PSA sub - that I can understand - it's a CU board.

I can see some feelin' an "agenda?"

It's not exactly like (itsinthegrade) he's a regular poster here?

Plus, on Jan 10th he took the time to use a "regular" thread to post his results which were PSA's but when it's time to post his BGS results - he makes a NEW thread - twice in a month.

Red lights begin to go off - perhaps?

Personally I like seeing people's results but....hmmmm.
mike >>



Even if he did have an agenda, why would anyone care? So someone wants to come on the CU boards and pimp some other grading company. I don't see why, or even how, anyone could be offended by that.

cravetopps

"To think that these collectors are any less intellegent or are somehow brainwashed is ridiculous and pretty ignorant"

I couldn't resist.

stown

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>There are many serious collectors who buy cards in BGS holders. To think that these collectors are any less intellegent or are somehow brainwashed is ridiculous and pretty ignorant. Buyers have preference for various reasons... Both companies do a good job at grading cards and both companies have their problems. For anyone to think one is any more superior to the other, really isn't looking at both sides of the coin. >>

Agree Ted.

But, I do have a question for Joe - and it goes to the heart of some of the incredulity that I'm detecting.

Why come to a PSA board and post a large amount of BGS cards that one had graded?

What are we to learn? If someone posts their PSA sub - that I can understand - it's a CU board.

I can see some feelin' an "agenda?"

It's not exactly like (itsinthegrade) he's a regular poster here?

Plus, on Jan 10th he took the time to use a "regular" thread to post his results which were PSA's but when it's time to post his BGS results - he makes a NEW thread - twice in a month.

Red lights begin to go off - perhaps?

Personally I like seeing people's results but....hmmmm.
mike >>



Even if he did have an agenda, why would anyone care? So someone wants to come on the CU boards and pimp some other grading company. I don't see why, or even how, anyone could be offended by that. >>



I agree but they should expect a backlash.

You don't go into a Lexis dealership boasting about your new BMW

Stone193

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>There are many serious collectors who buy cards in BGS holders. To think that these collectors are any less intellegent or are somehow brainwashed is ridiculous and pretty ignorant. Buyers have preference for various reasons... Both companies do a good job at grading cards and both companies have their problems. For anyone to think one is any more superior to the other, really isn't looking at both sides of the coin. >>

Agree Ted.

But, I do have a question for Joe - and it goes to the heart of some of the incredulity that I'm detecting.

Why come to a PSA board and post a large amount of BGS cards that one had graded?

What are we to learn? If someone posts their PSA sub - that I can understand - it's a CU board.

I can see some feelin' an "agenda?"

It's not exactly like (itsinthegrade) he's a regular poster here?

Plus, on Jan 10th he took the time to use a "regular" thread to post his results which were PSA's but when it's time to post his BGS results - he makes a NEW thread - twice in a month.

Red lights begin to go off - perhaps?

Personally I like seeing people's results but....hmmmm.
mike >>



Even if he did have an agenda, why would anyone care? So someone wants to come on the CU boards and pimp some other grading company. I don't see why, or even how, anyone could be offended by that. >>

Boo

I, personally, would never get offended by it.

It stirs stuff and sometimes that's OK too.

It's not about anyone being offended - truth be told - people could just ignore the potential of an agenda.

But, that's not realistic and hey - these kind of things keep life interesting.

The mere fact that you took the time to post says it got your attention.

And, you're no dummy - don't tell me you don't think some people would see a "design" in the post.

Why two separate posts with BGS - but when posting about PSA cards? It get buried in the combined thread for showing "your submissions."

mike

bgs grades are in........

grades just popped really happy with some rare ones

Both these authored threads are about BGS cards but...

Post your submission results! The post on a PSA sub gets buried in this thread.
Maybe it's just cause they were larger subs or wanted to spotlite the subs? Sure. I have no problem - I'm just saying why some people may think twice about talking up BGS on a PSA board.

itsinthegrade

i post my grades for 1 reason & one reason only to share my grades. when i post my psa/dna subs i get maybe 1 response. i changed my name fraom gradeddream to itsinthegrade because its the name i use on ebay. i think i answered all your ?. i choose bgs because i get a nice preminum for my cards.

EagleEyeKid

Southerncards will be coming in with his "SGC grades are in..." soon.

fandango

<< <i>There are many serious collectors who buy cards in BGS holders. To think that these collectors are any less intellegent or are somehow brainwashed is ridiculous and pretty ignorant. Buyers have preference for various reasons... Both companies do a good job at grading cards and both companies have their problems. For anyone to think one is any more superior to the other, really isn't looking at both sides of the coin. >>



Ya true, i used to be a serious BGS collector...but you live and you learn...the landscape is way different now then 4 years ago even....BGS has only recently gone down hill (since they sold to the media group)...the cards in the old holders with the subs on the back are ok...its just the junk in the newer style holder with subs on front that are killing their reputation....

ANy "serious" collector who doesnt look the other way, will have figured out by now that BGS is inconsistent, and doesnt care abot trimmed cards....there may be bulk sellers of PSA cards on ebay, but there are bulk sellers of trimmed BGS cards...we all know many of these BGS submitters..they always have the 9.5, even when you can see a touch of white on a corner...these 9.5 also will have 10 on centering when you can see its not a 10.....

Sure, all grading companies have some inconsistencies, but when the inconsistencies become the norm, its time to leave!

MattyC

As a buyer of high grade 70s-80s stars in both BGS and PSA, here's my two cents (likely worth even less than that tho): you can't go wrong with a Pristine BGS 10, otherwise I'd take a PSA 10 over a BGS 9.5. I like to cross my BGS 9.5s over to PSA 10s, whenever possible.

Southerncards

<< <i>Southerncards will be coming in with his "SGC grades are in..." soon. >>



Actually, I will. I have an 11 card sub in there right now.

InMySock

If you can get your cards into BGS 9.5 holders, and there are people willing to spend top dollar for that gold label, then more power to you. If I were in this hobby to make money from modern cards, I would do the same thing. As a collector, I would rather have my cards in PSA holders. Yeah, they are modern cards. Yeah, they are worthless to 99.9% of collectors out there.

No grading company is perfect, but my opinion is the same as many others here. Beckett's standards have slipped, and overgraded BGS 9.5s are a dime a dozen.

~IMS

itsinthegrade

This how i figure correct me if i'm wronng

sgc - pre war
psa - vintage pre 75
bgs - modern

they all have a share of the market & i do 99.9 % modern so i use bgs.

Stone193

<< <i>i post my grades for 1 reason & one reason only to share my grades. when i post my psa/dna subs i get maybe 1 response. i changed my name fraom gradeddream to itsinthegrade because its the name i use on ebay. i think i answered all your ?. i choose bgs because i get a nice preminum for my cards. >>

Are you a dealer one ebay?

mike

itsinthegrade

<< <i>

<< <i>i post my grades for 1 reason & one reason only to share my grades. when i post my psa/dna subs i get maybe 1 response. i changed my name fraom gradeddream to itsinthegrade because its the name i use on ebay. i think i answered all your ?. i choose bgs because i get a nice preminum for my cards. >>

Are you a dealer one ebay?

mike >>




what do you mean?

Stone193

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<< <i>i post my grades for 1 reason & one reason only to share my grades. when i post my psa/dna subs i get maybe 1 response. i changed my name fraom gradeddream to itsinthegrade because its the name i use on ebay. i think i answered all your ?. i choose bgs because i get a nice preminum for my cards. >>

Are you a dealer one ebay?

mike >>




what do you mean? >>

Do you derive some kind of a living by selling cards on ebay?

mike

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<< <i>i post my grades for 1 reason & one reason only to share my grades. when i post my psa/dna subs i get maybe 1 response. i changed my name fraom gradeddream to itsinthegrade because its the name i use on ebay. i think i answered all your ?. i choose bgs because i get a nice preminum for my cards. >>

Are you a dealer one ebay?

mike >>




what do you mean? >>

Do you derive some kind of a living by selling cards on ebay?

mike >>



i started collectiong cards like everyone when i was a little kid & never stopped. i have had every card excpet the 52 mantle & anything prewar & have sold them or traded. my father gave me a huge collection.
i love the minors. so i love there cards from official team sets & any kind of memorabilia i can get. also in the past 2 years i got into heavy collecting ip autos on rc's. i have a massed a large collection & even though i sell on ebay its still a hobby but a full time one. so any extra money i make cards i just reinvest in other things i like.
also the time has come where i have to buy the ring because my girl friend has told me that were BOTH ready. lol

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So, basically - this is spam for your Ebay auctions, then?

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So, basically - this is spam for your Ebay auctions, then? >>

I agree.

Where's the beef?

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Ya true, i used to be a serious BGS collector...but you live and you learn...the landscape is way different now then 4 years ago even....BGS has only recently gone down hill (since they sold to the media group)...the cards in the old holders with the subs on the back are ok...its just the junk in the newer style holder with subs on front that are killing their reputation....

ANy "serious" collector who doesnt look the other way, will have figured out by now that BGS is inconsistent, and doesnt care abot trimmed cards....there may be bulk sellers of PSA cards on ebay, but there are bulk sellers of trimmed BGS cards...we all know many of these BGS submitters..they always have the 9.5, even when you can see a touch of white on a corner...these 9.5 also will have 10 on centering when you can see its not a 10.....

Sure, all grading companies have some inconsistencies, but when the inconsistencies become the norm, its time to leave! >>


Again, you are only looking at hte negatives at BGS and comparing them to the positives of psa, without actually comparing the negatives and postives of both companies... First of all, most people who grade with BGs also grade with PSA. The main reason why many of these sellers use Bgs is because the cards sell for more in a BGS holder then they do in psa. If cards were selling more in a psa holder i am sure you would see many of these sellers selling more cards in the psa holder... So BGS doesnt care about trimmed cards? What give you that impression? There are probably more graded trimmed cards in PSA holders then there are in BGS holders, and i would wager that if you go into otehr types of alterations there are way more altered cards in PSa holders then there are in beckett holders... As for saying that big submitters get breaks... HAve you ever been around for the discussions on obviously overgraded psa cards sold by a big-time submitter? Do a little research and you will find multiple threads on questionable grades of cards in PSa holders sold by the biggest submitters... My point is not that BGS is superior to PSa, my point is that both companies are very similar and both have their faults and positives. Both companies have positioned themseleves in t his market and cater to certain types of collecdtors. Both companies have done a very good job at selling their products. This is not brainwashing, this is called marketing.

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I have to disagree. Here is just a sample of psa cards now selling for more than bgs. Maybe the set registry has something to do with it. Or maybe its just people realizing bgs is really not very good. Either way it really doest matter.

Link 1 is for the past 2 1991 Satdium Club Brett Favre PSA 10's that sold on ebay. The highest psa version sold for $224.72 and the lowest was $176.55

Link 2 is for the past 5 BGS 9.5's same card. The highest bgs version sold for $177.50 and the lowest was $123.50.

The reason I chose this card is because I have 5 bgs 9.'5 that I bought before I came to psa. I just sold one on ebay and was quite disappointed in what it brought in, $133ish.

I would have cracked it and sent it in to psa but it wouldnt have been a 10. In fact it would have made a poor looking 9.


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