Picked up this modern PSA 10 for 475..

RANDYMOSS84

Like his potential... Card looks amazing in a psa holder as well.

lawnmowerman

Are you saying $475.00?

Cubby

Yes, he does have potential. Congrats, and thanx for sharing.

RANDYMOSS84

<< <i>Are you saying $475.00? >>




Yes... a BGS 9.5 went 550, I don't value BGS that much more so IMO could be a steal...


Cubby- TY, was named by BA pirates #1 prospect...Hopefully he ranks high in the overall rankings...

lawnmowerman

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<< <i>Are you saying $475.00? >>




Yes... a BGS 9.5 went 550, I don't value BGS that much more so IMO could be a steal.. >>

I agree about BGS. I have a Bill Bray auto that looks to be the same set but its not a redemp. card . Is he any good? I dont know much about him.

zef204

I don't get the modern game...

IMO, I would rather have had this for $456




Now he might end up being one of the greats.

TNP777

Jordan, if you're prospecting (like almost anyone who invests in Bowman Chrome product), put your money on that Payton kid - he could turn out to be something special.

greenmonstaaaah

jordan, i'm right there with ya!!
i can think of about a thousand other things i would spend $475 on; a modern card of a player i've never even heard of certainly isnt one of them!

RANDYMOSS84

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<< <i>

<< <i>Are you saying $475.00? >>




Yes... a BGS 9.5 went 550, I don't value BGS that much more so IMO could be a steal.. >>

I agree about BGS. I have a Bill Bray auto that looks to be the same set but its not a redemp. card . Is he any good? I dont know much about him. >>




Do you have a scan, not fimilar with his prices, have heard he is very decent though.

RANDYMOSS84

<< <i>I don't get the modern game...

IMO, I would rather have had this for $456




Now he might end up being one of the greats. >>



I would rather Buy walters autograph for 450 but thats me..

RANDYMOSS84

<< <i>jordan, i'm right there with ya!!
i can think of about a thousand other things i would spend $475 on; a modern card of a player i've never even heard of certainly isnt one of them! >>




Thank you for your honesty! But I collect modern, and I like it so I will continue to spend money on what I like.

zef204

<< <i>Thank you for your honesty! But I collect modern, and I like it so I will continue to spend money on what I like. >>


And you certainly are not alone. I was not meaning to disrespect, but only trying to add perspective. I can appreciate that we all collect what we like and your choices are not better or worse than anyone elses.

I have a few Payton autos. One of which is actually penned to me personally on one of his publicity photos.

Again, no disrespect meant. Just a difference of collecting choices.

f2tornado

I like the old and new but $450 for a card of player who has yet to play a Major League game sure seems like a pull on a high stakes slot machine. There are several Beckett board members who really like McCutchen is that means anything. I havn't followed him to add any educated thought... but if you're gonna plunk down that kind of dough you might as well get the 10. Good luck with the purchase/investment/gamble (depending on one's point of view).

RANDYMOSS84

<< <i>I like the old and new but $450 for a card of player who has yet to play a Major League game sure seems like a pull on a high stakes slot machine. There are several Beckett board members who really like McCutchen is that means anything. I havn't followed him to add any educated thought... but if you're gonna plunk down that kind of dough you might as well get the 10. Good luck with the purchase/investment/gamble (depending on one's point of view). >>




It is a huge gamble, i've had my share of huge loses but also huge wins..

fandango

Isnt it illegal now to make "rookie " cards of kids that will never make it to the Majors?

thats what scared off a large segment of collectors from 2002-2005...they got stuck holding thousands of dollars of High School kids cards who kinda stunk.

Lothar52

spending that kind of money on modern is a young mans game.....us old folk stick to the vintage cause we are tired of losing money from our younger days

Loth

lawnmowerman

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<< <i>Are you saying $475.00? >>




Yes... a BGS 9.5 went 550, I don't value BGS that much more so IMO could be a steal.. >>

I agree about BGS. I have a Bill Bray auto that looks to be the same set but its not a redemp. card . Is he any good? I dont know much about him. >>




Do you have a scan, not fimilar with his prices, have heard he is very decent though. >>

Ill dig up the card and post it later

tennesseebanker

Two words for ya ..........

RANDYMOSS84

<< <i>Isnt it illegal now to make "rookie " cards of kids that will never make it to the Majors?

thats what scared off a large segment of collectors from 2002-2005...they got stuck holding thousands of dollars of High School kids cards who kinda stunk. >>




Yes, MLBPA has decided to reprint "rcs" when they make it to the pros however the first card is considered rc.


Loth- Good thing im very young 19

Tenn- Yup, for ever 1 sucess 100 failures, but IM ok with losing 500 with the chance to hit big...

helionaut

Not to get into the whole "prospecting vs. collecting" debate again, but this card does have room to move, both up and down. These cards had just 90 copies made out of a controversial redemption set, and most are locked into personal collections, or portfolios, at the moment. The Justin Upton from the same set was selling for $1200 or so on release. Of course, it's now down under $500, but that shows where the ceiling might be. Upton now has a fairly plentiful supply of autographed cards in at least 4 products, along with his failing to destroy A-ball pitching this summer, so he's calmed down a bit. McCutchen is one of the top prospects in the minors and has a ton of hype right now. While cards like this are often hot potatoes or musical chairs or whatever, the music is still far from stopping.

ColleSystem

<< <i>I have a few Payton autos. One of which is actually penned to me personally >>



Very neat. Payton is my favorite professional athlete of all time.

Scott

lawnmowerman

Here it is;

5STAT

$475 for one card....and I can't get $500 for a 2004 Topps Pats Commemorative FB Set #1 Registry set with a 9.37 GPA....

Randymoss84....good for you though....if you like it..but....stick to your convictions. I see the young guys at the shows spending loads on new product. The kids (18-25) I see, walk into shows and spend THOUSANDS on new stuff.......then you get the old timers watching every penny they have. It's 2 seperate worlds all together...

RANDYMOSS84

<< <i>Here it is;



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04 Bowman Chrome Draft Auto Ref Sp'ed /500... Very nice


Not sure what it goes zero completed, I have some hughes from same set...


his gold auto sp'ed /50 goes for 26 though.

http://cgi.ebay.com/04-Bow-Chrome-Draft-Bill-Bray-Gold-Refractor-Auto-RC_W0QQitemZ120081140528QQihZ002QQcategoryZ55890QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

lawnmowerman

Thanks

puckhd27

At age 19 you have $500 to burn?

RANDYMOSS84

<< <i>At age 19 you have $500 to burn? >>




??? 19 isn't very young, Already a soph in College.. My life is almost over, law school in 1.5 years.

jradke4

i would go along with the Payton RC. Those are much harder to find in top condition. i hope he pans out for you and doesnt flame out.

Cubby

"My life is almost over, law school in 1.5 years."
Do you have a specialty chosen already?

RANDYMOSS84

<< <i>"My life is almost over, law school in 1.5 years."
Do you have a specialty chosen already? >>




Contract Law, Sports Marketing, IE sports agent.

NHLfightguy

Bill Bray is now on the Reds. He got traded from the Nationals in the Kearns/Lopez deal. He is just a common player. He pitches middle relief and now he plays in Great American Small park. So expect what ever era he once had to sky rocket.

SidePocket

One word for you - Be Careful.

jmbkb4

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<< <i>At age 19 you have $500 to burn? >>




??? 19 isn't very young, Already a soph in College.. My life is almost over, law school in 1.5 years. >>


Once people on here find out you're young, intelligent, and successful, they REALLY get mean.

In any case, I think you made a great purchase...At some point, there is no doubt you'll have a chance to at least double your money if you need/want to.

Stone193

<< <i>My life is almost over, . >>

Stone193

Randy

Very nice card! The chrome auto is my favorite of the prospect cards.

He finished up last year in AA - hit over .300 - have not seen him play - he's not a HR machine or anything.
But he has promise - and yes - it's a big gamble - but so's life.

Good luck
mike

Stone193

<< <i>Isnt it illegal now to make "rookie " cards of kids that will never make it to the Majors?

thats what scared off a large segment of collectors from 2002-2005...they got stuck holding thousands of dollars of High School kids cards who kinda stunk. >>


Fandango
Good question and the RC rule of 2006 has been confusing - here goes:

All new cards in 2006 with have the “generic” RC logo (same for all brands) affixed to the card and is the true RC in the catalog. If the player had an RC before 2006 – and gets the RC logo the year they actually play in the majors – then the player will have an asterisk next to the name to alert the collector that there’s a previous RC – earlier than 2006.

Rule:

RC will be defined as “base” (regular) cards from the season in which the player is first called up to his major league club unless he’s called up Sep1 or later. Those called up Sep1 or later will be eligible for the RC logo the following season.

So even if a player is on the 40 man roster but not called up? No RC logo. Also, cards of minor leaguers – prospects – can still have cards made as inserts – but they’re not official RC’s. But still highly collectable and valued - especially the signed cards.

mike

sagard

Good luck dude. It's really about the same as holding a 500 count brick of Jeffries back in '88, it's just how they do in now.

Boopotts

<< <i>Good luck dude. It's really about the same as holding a 500 count brick of Jeffries back in '88, it's just how they do in now. >>



Agreed. At least this method saves more trees.

5STAT

At age 19 you have $500 to burn?

puckhd27.....kills you doesn't it!!

When I was in high school and working..it was for $3-$4 an hour....and yet I always had money.
The kids these days are working...some making $10-$15 an hour...atleast here in MA and taking home home $200-$300 a week part-time!

My 17 y.o. daughter makes $10.50 an hour...and takes home close to $240 a week.

Now take into consideration that she has no bills....no rent or mortgage...no utilities...no food bills...etc...etc...

It's no wonder these kids have $$$ .

Now think about kids like moss here....who might even be buying and selling cards online or at shows and making even more $$$...it's a whole new world of economics.

THEY are the reason for the new modern hign end sales....it's a whole new niche that alot of us old timers can't even fathom!!

I had a blowout lot of Jordans back in November...$10K book price. I was asking $1500 for the lot...dealer after dealer tried to talk it down....some as low as $700.....they didn't want to part with their money.
At the end of the day...this young guy...say 20-21 walks over to the table and says..

"Are you the guy with all the Jordans?"

I show him the box...he spends MAYBE 2 minutes looking at it and the rest went like this:

"You want $1500 right?"

in the next 1/2 a second...it comes out of his pocket....gets tossed on the table...he puts the lid on the box and say "Thanks"....and walks away!!

It happened so fast I was almost in shock....
Like ,what just happened???

These young guys know what they want...they can afford it...and kudos to them for having that ability!!

jskirwin

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Loth- Good thing im very young 19

Tenn- Yup, for ever 1 sucess 100 failures, but IM ok with losing 500 with the chance to hit big... >>



19... Sheesh... Aren't you supposed to be blowing that kind of money on iPods and/or girls or something?

lawnmowerman

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Once people on here find out you're young, intelligent, and successful, they REALLY get mean.
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He's right you know. Im young, successful and people really hate me because of my special abilities!

Loupe?? WHo needs that when I have these?

julen23

$500 could buy a gang of chronic, import beer & sexy time w/ prostitute.

cardboard no love you back.

julen the wise

yankeeno7

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<< <i>

Once people on here find out you're young, intelligent, and successful, they REALLY get mean.
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He's right you know. Im young, successful and people really hate me because of my special abilities!

Loupe?? WHo needs that when I have these?

>>



Matt
Ive been in the medical field for a long time and not much surprises me....but that pic freaks me out!!!
LMAO

RANDYMOSS84

SidePocket- Thanks, I usally research who i buy and there was no exception with cutch.

jmbkb4- Thanks, for the comments

Stone193- Once im in law school its over =(, He had 17 total HRS last year which is pretty solid...

sagard- Yes except there are 90 of these cards and they are auto'ed.

5STAT- Yes, jobs are much better these days, but remember they are also harder to get... Without a graduate degree you are just another somebody.

jskirwin- I spend within my spending limit, the 475 is not really a big chunk to me at the moment.

lawnmowerman- ROFL at the picture. Is that real?

julen23- Don't do drugs, Don't drink anything besides viatimin water and def don't pay for sexual pleasure LOL.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>lawnmowerman- ROFL at the picture. Is that real? >>



Its not me of course but it sure looks legit to me. If you look close enough you can see the dudes pores troughout the pic.

MajorDanby

<< <i>puckhd27.....kills you doesn't it!!

When I was in high school and working..it was for $3-$4 an hour....and yet I always had money.
The kids these days are working...some making $10-$15 an hour...atleast here in MA and taking home home $200-$300 a week part-time!

My 17 y.o. daughter makes $10.50 an hour...and takes home close to $240 a week.

Now take into consideration that she has no bills....no rent or mortgage...no utilities...no food bills...etc...etc...

It's no wonder these kids have $$$ .

Now think about kids like moss here....who might even be buying and selling cards online or at shows and making even more $$$...it's a whole new world of economics.

THEY are the reason for the new modern hign end sales....it's a whole new niche that alot of us old timers can't even fathom!!

I had a blowout lot of Jordans back in November...$10K book price. I was asking $1500 for the lot...dealer after dealer tried to talk it down....some as low as $700.....they didn't want to part with their money.
At the end of the day...this young guy...say 20-21 walks over to the table and says..

"Are you the guy with all the Jordans?"

I show him the box...he spends MAYBE 2 minutes looking at it and the rest went like this:

"You want $1500 right?"

in the next 1/2 a second...it comes out of his pocket....gets tossed on the table...he puts the lid on the box and say "Thanks"....and walks away!!

It happened so fast I was almost in shock....
Like ,what just happened???

These young guys know what they want...they can afford it...and kudos to them for having that ability!! >>




Well, what you say is partially true. A few things to note:

1.) Take into account inflation when you cite differences in salaries from past to present.
2.) Our economy has rapidly evolved over the past 20 years such that there has been a marked increase of menial office jobs and lower order jobs perfect for working students.
3.) There is increased pressure on youths to work. This has always been true in the lower middle to lower classes (and this is function of basic need, period). But, it has become more true for the middle and above income classes because college admissions officers and future employers love seeing on that resume that the student worked over the summer or during school.

Nevertheless, I dont think we should overgeneralize about today's youth (and the definition of youth is misused in this thread....let's say youth RELATIVE to the rest of the current population of card collectors). For one, the portion of collectors who are of the ages 18 through 25 is fairly insignificant. Go to a card show...for every 19 year old that comes in with a wad full of cash, there are about 10 30 year olds doing the same....and about 20 40+ year olds throwing down even more money.

As far as investing in rookie cards...ehhh, i'll admit ive done it. I've got a couple of delmon young auto rookies hanging around somewhere in my closet. Also bought an ARod SP card...not because i love Arod or collect modern...but, because i think this card will increase in due time.

RANDYMOSS84

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<< <i>puckhd27.....kills you doesn't it!!

When I was in high school and working..it was for $3-$4 an hour....and yet I always had money.
The kids these days are working...some making $10-$15 an hour...atleast here in MA and taking home home $200-$300 a week part-time!

My 17 y.o. daughter makes $10.50 an hour...and takes home close to $240 a week.

Now take into consideration that she has no bills....no rent or mortgage...no utilities...no food bills...etc...etc...

It's no wonder these kids have $$$ .

Now think about kids like moss here....who might even be buying and selling cards online or at shows and making even more $$$...it's a whole new world of economics.

THEY are the reason for the new modern hign end sales....it's a whole new niche that alot of us old timers can't even fathom!!

I had a blowout lot of Jordans back in November...$10K book price. I was asking $1500 for the lot...dealer after dealer tried to talk it down....some as low as $700.....they didn't want to part with their money.
At the end of the day...this young guy...say 20-21 walks over to the table and says..

"Are you the guy with all the Jordans?"

I show him the box...he spends MAYBE 2 minutes looking at it and the rest went like this:

"You want $1500 right?"

in the next 1/2 a second...it comes out of his pocket....gets tossed on the table...he puts the lid on the box and say "Thanks"....and walks away!!

It happened so fast I was almost in shock....
Like ,what just happened???

These young guys know what they want...they can afford it...and kudos to them for having that ability!! >>




Well, what you say is partially true. A few things to note:

1.) Take into account inflation when you cite differences in salaries from past to present.
2.) Our economy has rapidly evolved over the past 20 years such that there has been a marked increase of menial office jobs and lower order jobs perfect for working students.
3.) There is increased pressure on youths to work. This has always been true in the lower middle to lower classes (and this is function of basic need, period). But, it has become more true for the middle and above income classes because college admissions officers and future employers love seeing on that resume that the student worked over the summer or during school.

Nevertheless, I dont think we should overgeneralize about today's youth (and the definition of youth is misused in this thread....let's say youth RELATIVE to the rest of the current population of card collectors). For one, the portion of collectors who are of the ages 18 through 25 is fairly insignificant. Go to a card show...for every 19 year old that comes in with a wad full of cash, there are about 10 30 year olds doing the same....and about 20 40+ year olds throwing down even more money.

As far as investing in rookie cards...ehhh, i'll admit ive done it. I've got a couple of delmon young auto rookies hanging around somewhere in my closet. Also bought an ARod SP card...not because i love Arod or collect modern...but, because i think this card will increase in due time. >>




Very nice delmons, was gonna buy a few for myself but he has to many attitude problems, don't care who good he is, is always in trouble, him and elijah dukes.

Stone193

<< <i>Stone193- Once im in law school its over =(, He had 17 total HRS last year which is pretty solid >>


Randy

Don't worry - you'll eventually get married - then it's really over!

I agree - his production is not bad - against AA - he hit a HR about every 25 ab's - again, not a HR machine but he has great promise.

What other cards do you have?

mike

5STAT

For one, the portion of collectors who are of the ages 18 through 25 is fairly insignificant. Go to a card show...for every 19 year old that comes in with a wad full of cash, there are about 10 30 year olds doing the same....and about 20 40+ year olds throwing down even more money.

When was the last time you went to a show or set up at one?

I'll tell you from hard experience..atleast in my area, your obsevation is totally bazz akward!!

The youth in this area RULE the market...

Yes agreed...some older collectors will drop big $$$ on sets and singles that they need. But time and again..it's the young guys that drop the $$.

I have 2 guys...each no more than 25...each drops $1K-$2K per show between myself and 2-3 other dealers. And I wouldn't even consider them the BIG buyers at the show.

As far as them being fairly insignificant....maybe through a vintage collectors eyes. But I see both sides of the coin at every show...and trust me..(again in New England)....they far outweigh the vintage collectors and by far spend more!!

Hence the 101 threads about..."this show and that show had no vintage...only shiney new cards and modern crap"

It's there because it sells!!

RANDYMOSS84

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<< <i>Stone193- Once im in law school its over =(, He had 17 total HRS last year which is pretty solid >>


Randy

Don't worry - you'll eventually get married - then it's really over!

I agree - his production is not bad - against AA - he hit a HR about every 25 ab's - again, not a HR machine but he has great promise.

What other cards do you have?

mike >>




Of him, just a TCU black refractor auto rc and a TCU Refractor Rc Auto... sadly i missed the boat early... Raw versions used to sell 150ish when they came out. Working on a raw for 375

NickM

The sad thing about the Gregg Jefferies comparison is that Jefferies ended up with a decent major league career, and his rookie card is a common. What will a player have to end up as for his rooie card to be worth $475 in 20 years?

Figure no more than 5 of these players per year will end up as major stars. The rest will fade back into common status.

Who is buying these cards to hold?

Nick