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With all of the bullion the Mint has spit out in the last quarter, this is hard to believe.

Press release:

Collectors Universe Reports Metrics for Second Quarter and First Half of Fiscal Year 2007
Friday January 19, 7:00 am ET


NEWPORT BEACH, Calif., Jan. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Collectors Universe, Inc. (Nasdaq: CLCT - News), a leading provider of value-added authentication and grading services to dealers and collectors of high-value collectibles and diamonds and colored gemstones, today reported its unit performance metrics for the second fiscal quarter of fiscal 2007. The Company reports the number of units which it authenticates, grades and ships, on a quarterly basis, for coins, sports cards, autographs, stamps, currency, diamonds and colored gemstones, which comprise its principal authentication and grading markets. The Company's brands in those markets include: Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) for coins, Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA) for sports cards, PSA/DNA Authentication Services (PSA/DNA) for autographs, Professional Stamp Experts (PSE) for stamps, PCGS Currency for paper money, Gem Certification & Appraisal Lab (GCAL) for diamonds, and American Gemological Laboratories (AGL) for colored gemstones.
Total Units

The total units of high-value collectibles, diamonds and colored gemstones authenticated and graded declined by 3.5% to 655,200 units in the quarter ended December 31, 2006 from 679,000 units in the quarter ended December 31, 2005. For the six month period ended December 31, 2006, total units authenticated and graded increased by 6.2 % to 1,519,700 units from 1,430,500 units in the first half of fiscal year 2006.

PCGS Units

Coins authenticated and graded by PCGS decreased by approximately 21% in the second quarter of fiscal year 2007 to 281,400 units, or 43% of the total units authenticated and graded by the Company, from 357,000 units in the same period in fiscal 2006. Coins authenticated and graded increased by 1% to 762,700 units or 50% of the total units authenticated and graded, in the first half of fiscal year 2007 from 752,000 units in the six month period ended December 31, 2005.

PSA Units

Sportscards authenticated and graded grew by approximately 7% to 295,600 units in the quarter ended December 31, 2006, or 45% of the total units authenticated and graded, from 275,000 units in the same period in fiscal 2006. For the first half of fiscal year 2007, sportscards authenticated and graded grew by 11% to 617,100 units, or 41% of the total units authenticated and graded, from 558,000 units in the six month period ended December 31, 2005.

PSA/DNA Units

Units authenticated by PSA/DNA increased by approximately 29% to 43,800 units, or 7% of the total units authenticated and graded, in the second quarter of fiscal year 2007 from 34,000 units in the same period in fiscal year 2006. PSA/DNA units authenticated in the six month period ended December 31, 2006 declined by 12% to 78,000 units, or 5% of the total units authenticated and graded, from 89,000 units in the first half of fiscal year 2006.

PSE Units

Stamps authenticated and graded increased by approximately 157% to 18,000 units, or 3% of the total units authenticated and graded in the second quarter of fiscal year 2007, as compared to 7,000 units graded and authenticated in the same period of fiscal year 2006. In the six month period ended December 31, 2006, stamps authenticated and graded increased 87% to 30,300 units, or 2% of the total units authenticated and graded, from 16,200 units in the first half of fiscal year 2006.

PCGS Currency Units

PCGS Currency units authenticated and graded increased by 44% to 7,200 units or 1.1% of the total units authenticated and graded in the second quarter of fiscal year 2007, as compared with 5,000 units graded and authenticated in the same period of fiscal year 2006. In the first half of fiscal 2007, 16,300 currency units were authenticated and graded, representing approximately 1% of the total units authenticated and graded, an increase of 14% from the 14,300 units graded and authenticated in the six months ended December 31, 2005.

GCAL Units

GCAL authenticated and graded 9,000 units or 1.4% of the total units authenticated and graded in the second quarter of fiscal year 2007, compared with 1,000 units authenticated in the same period of the prior year. For the six months ended December 31, 2006, GCAL authenticated and graded 15,000 units. There are no comparative metrics available for the six months ended December 31, 2005, because the Company acquired GCAL on November 7, 2005.

AGL Units

The Company acquired AGL in August 2006. For the three and six months ended December 31, 2006, AGL graded an authenticated 100 units and 200 units, respectively.

Summary and Comment

Chief Executive Officer of Collectors Universe, Michael Haynes commented: "The Collectibles Group continues to perform as expected, although the second quarter ended December 31 is the most challenging seasonal quarter during the fiscal year. Comparatively, the PCGS coin units were down in the second quarter from the second quarter of the previous year, primarily due to fact that we did not renew contracts for a large number of modern coins that were certified at a very low price in the same quarter of the previous year. Separately, the PCGS coin show volume was higher in this year's second quarter than in the second quarter of fiscal 2006. The average selling price for coin show authentication and grading is higher than for other coin unit volume, because of the convenience and faster turnaround times provided by PCGS at such shows. The autograph, stamp and currency divisions, although a relatively small part of the unit mix, continue to grow at a rapid pace, quarter to quarter, with PSA/DNA autograph units continuing to comprise approximately 5% of the total units certified. The Jewelry Group, led by the GCAL Diamond Division, continued its solid growth not only in this year's second quarter as compared to the same quarter last year, but also as compared to the first quarter of this year, as the investment in the marketing programs began to yield increased demand for our diamond services."

"Overall, the Collectibles Group continues to provide cash flow, although somewhat smaller in the December quarter, and we continue to invest in the Jewelry Group with marketing programs to drive volume and expand the brand recognition and acceptance in the markets."

Joe Wallace, Chief Financial Officer of Collectors Universe, stated, "While we believe that units graded is a useful measure of our performance, it is important to recognize that increases or decreases in the number of units graded may not correlate proportionately to increases or decreases in revenues. It is also important to note that revenues are affected not only by the number, but also by the mix of units processed, the mix of services (in terms of 'turn-around times') requested by customers and by average service fees per unit, among coins, sports cards and stamps. Generally, the prices for, and the revenues from, grading of collectible coins are higher than those for the grading of sports cards. In addition, prices for grading of collectible coins and sports cards vary depending on the 'turn-around' time requested by our customers, with higher prices charged for faster turn-around times."

About Collectors Universe

Collectors Universe, Inc. is a leading provider of value-added services to the high-value collectibles and diamond and colored gemstone markets. The Company authenticates and grades collectible coins, sports cards, autographs, stamps currency, diamonds and colored gemstones. The Company also compiles and publishes authoritative information about United States and world coins, collectible sports cards and sports memorabilia, collectible stamps and diamonds. This information is accessible to collectors and dealers at the Company's web site, www.collectors.com, and is also published in print.

Forward Looking Information

This news release contains statements regarding our expectations, beliefs or views about our future financial performance which are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as "believe," "expect," "anticipate," "intend," "plan," "estimate," "project," or future or conditional verbs such as "will," "would," "should," "could," or "may."

Due to a number of risks and uncertainties to which our business is subject, our actual financial performance in the future may differ, possibly significantly, from our expected financial performance as set forth in the forward looking statements contained in this news release. Information regarding those risks and uncertainties, and their possible impact on our future financial performance, include, but are not limited to, the risks that our strategy to expand into new collectibles and other high value asset markets, such as the diamond and colored gemstone markets, and to offer new services in our existing markets will not be successful in enabling us to improve our profitability or may even cause us to incur losses. Additional information regarding these and other risks and uncertainties to which our business is subject is contained in our Annual Report on Form 10-K for our fiscal year ended June 30, 2006 which we filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on September 13, 2006. Due to such risks and uncertainties, readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on the forward-looking statements contained in this news release, which speak only as of its date, or to make predictions about future performance based solely on historical financial performance. We also disclaim any obligation to update forward-looking statements contained in this news release or in our Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.


Contacts

Joe Wallace
Chief Financial Officer
Collectors Universe
949-567-1245
Email: jwallace@collectors.com

Brandi Piacente
Investor Relations
The Piacente Group, Inc.
212-481-2050
Email: brandi@thepiacentegroup.com


Comments

  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I like how they call them 'units'.

    'Unit Rarities Online' has a nice ring to it.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, overall units are not off that much -- diversification into stamps, gems and currency seems to be helping.
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    It looks like the future is in currency slabbing.

    Mr. Hall should look at slabbing non-US coins as a growth opportunity. I know that slabs are not as well received outside the US as in the US, but he built the slabbing business from nothing into a monster in the US, so he could probably do it internationally, too.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To support the 'outside US' idea... there was a posting this week - here - about a British TPG doing British coins on the 100 point scale... so, time to expand. Cheers, RickO
  • there was a slow down in submissions on coins because they were being tight. Things changed and submissions are back in full swing.
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>there was a slow down in submissions on coins because they were being tight. >>



    This was said with a lot of confidence.


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    << <i>there was a slow down in submissions on coins because they were being tight. >>



    This was said with a lot of confidence. >>



    100% confidence.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A friend of mine who is a serious stamp collector mentioned that he is seeing more and more slabbed stamps...something that disturbs him greatly. He is very into stamp exhibiting and knows that once the stamps get into slabs they are unlikely to be exhibited... they have entered the realm of the investor.

    The report also shows that in order to evaluate the performance of CU you must have knowledge of all the areas in which they operate. Gems...now there is an area in which my knowledge, and interest, are just about zero. Sports cards...wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. Currency...I wonder if the dealers are still resisting third party grading. I know they didn't want it when I was active, but that was 10 years ago.
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Mr. Hall should look at slabbing non-US coins as a growth opportunity. I know that slabs are not as well received outside the US as in the US, but he built the slabbing business from nothing into a monster in the US, so he could probably do it internationally, too. >>

    Please. No. I'm starting to appreciate the Dark Side more and more; among other reasons is the fact that they are NOT like the U.S. coin market. I find I can enjoy a market which is not a slave to the plastic slab a lot more than I can enjoy the U.S. market any more. Which is a shame, because I love coins for their history and I feel more of a personal attachment to U.S. coins for that reason, but it's just harder and harder for ordinary folks to play the game. Get the Dark Side hooked on slabs and I might as well collect pogs or something.
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if that's the first time in PCGS history there were more sportscards than coins graded in a quarter.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • Kranky I was going to mention something along the same lines.

    Sportscard volume seems to be growing; I wonder what the reasons could be? I, for one, have never sent in one item for grading (cards or coins) but have hundreds/thousands of cards that should one day be slabbed. Most of my good coins are slabbed already.

    Also, wouldn't you think coin slabbing growth is limited now? Most older coins are likely slabbed by now and I would think are mostly coming from those playing the crackout game. Modern coin slabbing is rather limited by supply and demand, mostly from the demand side I would think.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,796 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Kranky I was going to mention something along the same lines.

    Sportscard volume seems to be growing; I wonder what the reasons could be? I, for one, have never sent in one item for grading (cards or coins) but have hundreds/thousands of cards that should one day be slabbed. Most of my good coins are slabbed already.

    Also, wouldn't you think coin slabbing growth is limited now? Most older coins are likely slabbed by now and I would think are mostly coming from those playing the crackout game. Modern coin slabbing is rather limited by supply and demand, mostly from the demand side I would think. >>



    I am supporting this trend. I submitted more sportscards (6) in 2006 than coins (1). image
  • They keep grading Plat (both W-Unc & Proofs) like they do, it will go down even more.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Will they slab my pine cones ?
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  • GABGAB Posts: 641
    I blame the downturn on the Coin Forum! image
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  • JB said "there was a slow down in submissions on coins because they were being tight."


    He is correct. I used to send everything to PCGS and got sick of sorting out outstanding coins that looked perfect......sending a heard of outstanding coins to pcgs and having them send back 100% 69s. I started sending my coins to NGC. NGC has picked up the sales volume PCGS lost and is the number one TPGS in terms of slabs/ month recently. Now that PCGS has gotten reasonable on grading I have started sending my stuff back to them.



    ericj96
  • Now that PCGS has gotten reasonable on grading I have started sending my stuff back to them.

    I just don't see that, Eric.

    Just look at the Plats (Proof & Unc's) and the Buffalos .

    They are destroying themselves, IMHO.

    They are 69'ing themselves to death (if that is possibile) image
  • Well I understand what you are saying but they do grade more 70 platinum commems lately as a percentage than they did two years ago.


    Eric
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Diversification is good; there isn't an endless supply of raw classic coins, and the cost of serving big submitters on moderns is skinnier margins.

    Conundrum: too tight = whining, drop in volume; too loose = gradeflation, potential coffins. The path narrows.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my opinion:

    The slowing of submissions was created from the less number of folks submitting (collectors, dealers, and crack out guys) because the "grading service" tightend back to where folks thought they were being too tough and couldnt make that quick score/upgrade. Several factors probably led to this including market conditions, lots of negitive publicity about what resides in current holders, etc. The problem is they should have never deviated from the original standards to begin with. Many got too accustomed to the grading standards over the past few years and thats all they knew and based things on. During this tightening up period, many submissions went to the other services who didnt tightened up or may have even softened. I have not submitted much recently, but if what JB is saying that they have loosened back up, is that even though the services wanted to try and correct the problem of continually flowing loosely overgraded/ lowend coins entering the market ( and clean it up), if it interfere's with profit margin or number of submissions, they migh have had to back upa bit as it is a business!

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I blame the downturn on the Coin Forum! >>



    Perhaps not as farfetched as it may appear. Awful lot of old OF posters have moved across the street. Dunno the significance, but all things are factors.
  • raysrays Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The rare con grading business is a zero-sum game (excluding the moderns). There are only so many raw classic coins left to grade. Once those have been slabbed (or body-bagged) additional submissions will have to come from either re-submission upgrades, cross-overs or moderns.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I finally got some dough from CU:

    1/17/2007 DIVIDEND RECEIVED
    CLCT COLLECTORS UNIVERSE INC
    Amount: $24.00

    They pay a pretty good dividend. image

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