Die Progression for the 1825 Capped Bust Quarters...Pretty cool even if your not interested in this

elwood

Here's a neat little die progression. (I've shown this before but improved the images and added a new earlier die stage.)

The first pic shows the beginning of the Die crack from the T over to the D and from the D to the rim.

I like the stage where you can still see UNITED through the Deteriorating Die.

Last pic is terminal.

eyoung429

OH FREAKIN" DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RichieURich

Hey, Elwood, I have one of those 1825/4 quarters with that same reverse cud! What a coincidence! Congratulations!

Jcarney

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That's a pretty big cud.

elwood

<< <i>Hey, Elwood, I have one of those 1825/4 quarters >>



Rich I never would have guessed

Longacre

Interesting post and pics.

RichieURich

Elwood, what stage is this one?

elwood

Rich

I use to think of there being only three stages. 1 (early)....2 (mid)....3 (late)

But then I found the coin in the first image which I hadn't seen before so now I have examples of 4 different die states (excluding a perfect state)

So, I guess I would consider yours a Stage 2

Yours is sweet!!! You just dont't see these in any grade let alone high grade.

Nysoto

Picture 3 shows a retained cud. Picture 4 could be retained or full. How does the opposite of the cud on pic 4 look? Is it fully struck, or mushy details?

elwood

Nysoto

It's fully struck.

NumisOxide

Way cool die progression, thanks for sharing!

Cuds are awesome.

JRocco

Great stuff here Elwood
thanks

CoinAddict

Awesome.

topstuf

Who sez it isn't interesting? Lemme at em! That's neat coin stuff.

AuldFartte

That is educational, interesting, and just flat out

Baley

Awesome!

I'd be interested in your opinion of the relative rarities of the die states...

and did you have to pay much of a premium for the (i think) more interesting later die states?

Cladiator

Would this one be considered a retained cud or no?

Baley

Ooooo, that's my favorite one! Sell me that coin!!

elwood

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Baley...the mid and late die states appear to be the rarest. Reiver had them all other than the terminal state. Although I have been able to pick up a couple of them (terminals) over the years.

Rarity would probably be a high R-6 low R-7?




<< <i>and did you have to pay much of a premium for the (i think) more interesting later die states? >>



Yes






<< <i>Would this one be considered a retained cud or no? >>



Cladiator

I believe they would be considered retained cuds. The one you have pictured might still be partially attached or completely detached but angled in a way that UNITED was still partially stuck?

The fact that the coin is evenly struck would indicate a retained cud. I believe that the reverse would have been part of the anvil die and not the hammer die? I'm no expert on the minting process however??? The ones I've seen are all nicely struck but a friend has seen one weakly struck that might indicate the piece of the die actually fell out of the collar??






<< <i>Ooooo, that's my favorite one! Sell me that coin!! >>



Sorry Baley they aren't for sale. There are only three maybe four collectors who have a complete set. A set being the 3 major stages. I actually just sold an extra terminal die state I had so a Quarter collector could complete his set.


Thanks for the questions and interest!!!

steve

RichieURich

Elwood,

Maybe for the next similar thread you can post the 1825/3 cuds.

Coinosaurus

Very cool. Thx for sharing!

BECOKA

Bump, that is fantastic.

Almost makes one want to collect just this coin by die state.

JRocco

I'm interested, I'm interested...

Thanks for this post

STONE

With that, I give you all my Terminal Die State CUD I just found at Phoenix:

ubercollector

Not only is it interesting, it's fascinating! Thanks for sharing this and educating us along the way!

marmac

i love stuff like that!! thanks for sharing.....