What should I do with an obviously trimmed card in a PSA holder?
cmoking
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I have a pre-war card in a PSA holder graded PSA 4 VG-EX. It is obviously trimmed and it is laughable that it is in a holder. I have heard that PSA will sometimes buy back these mistakes. Who do I contact about that? Joe Orlando directly? (phone or emal?) or is there a special department set up for that?
I am a supporter of PSA and have many PSA graded cards (see 1933/1934 Goudey and World Wide Gum sets), but seeing this trimmed card was incredibly disappointing.
I am a supporter of PSA and have many PSA graded cards (see 1933/1934 Goudey and World Wide Gum sets), but seeing this trimmed card was incredibly disappointing.
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1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
I hope you didn't pay much above SMR on it, because you'll in all likelihood be sol if you did.
Shag
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
I can see this coming...
Dear Sir:
We had our senior graders perform a thorough review.
We find the card to be graded appropriately - you have the E93 Hooks Wiltse type I variation - wavy bottom.
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got to stop now before I pueke...
SGC rocks!
As to the initial card, send it in for a review; it can't hurt and you may get an explanation as to why it's OK, or, you might find that people, being human, aren't always perfect. Regardless, I'd much rather work at getting a "mistake" in PSA plastic corrected to my satisfaction, than the same situation with an "off-brand" holder. Then I'd surely be SOL!
Now all that being said, it's just my 2¢ and - more importantly - if you just don't like that card's appearance - whether a factory miscut or a recent attempt to deceive - then it doesn't belong in your collection.
I don't see how sending it in for review does any good for me. I am expected to spend more money for them to look at it again? No thank you.
I will email Joe after Christmas. Thanks for the email address.
Merry Christmas!
<< <i>I had a 49' Musial cut like that. I sent it in for review thinking it was a factory miscut and should not have been holdered. PSA sent it back saying it was graded correctly with a note attached saying it was a 'diamond cut'. >>
...diamond cut?
...more like scissor cut!
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<< <i>I will keep an open mind when I email Joe. If there is a reasonable explanation, then I'll go with it. I'd be surprised though...but yes, I'll try to keep an open mind. I'll post what happens in this thread. Thanks. >>
<<< I'll try to keep an open mind >>>
A guy from the Network 54 board with an "open mind" about PSA? Now that's funny.
<<< I'll post what happens in this thread. >>>
In all likelihood, no matter what PSA does, you'll find some reason to complain about it. LOL
You don't know me very well at all.
<< <i>Steve, are you assuming I'm a PSA basher because I post on N54? lol
You don't know me very well at all. >>
You're right, I don't know you and I don't really remember your posts over there, I just remember the name and remember that you are a high end card collector I believe. I don't read or post anymore over there because frankly, many of the threads became too pathetic for my taste. I only posted there a few times recently because someone here placed a link to a particular thread...in which that thread was interesting.
From your comments here though, your intentions are clear in my opinion. You could have simply tried to resolve this privately with PSA and then posted the results, but no...you wanted to first "broadcast" the situation on this forum. Your post in my view is an illustration of how pathetic many threads in that other forum have become. I didn't look and don't intend to, but I would be fairly certain you've "alerted" all the PSA bashers over there to your situation, and if you haven't yet, you most certainly will.
Again...from my recollection you are a high end card collector - why not post some decent threads over here regarding your collection and experiences instead of the usual PSA bashing BS which we've all heard before and frankly, I'm tired of it. And if you're a condescending snob and don't usually post here because you think we're not good enough for you, then FY and be gone.
Steve
Steve
I received the answer by getting Joe Orlando's email address.
Was it incorrect for me to post the scan of the card? Should I have just emailed them privately?
I guess that's up to debate. Personally, I have no problems with my post in this thread or my posts or lack thereof on this forum. You will also see that there is no post on this card on N54, and there won't be one if I can help it. I'm tired of the PSA bashing over there as you are. Would you rather I didn't post the scan of the card? I'll bet more people who have read this post are interested in seeing the scan and seeing the issue I have with it rather than having it buried in the sand. Like you, I like PSA and think they make some mistakes. I think this is one of them and I will be contacting them about it and I hope they do the right thing. We shall see.
<< <i>It just bugs me when a carpetbagger comes on here for seemingly the sole purpose of denigrating PSA and this >>
You certainly don't know me well at all.
<< <i>
<< <i>Steve, are you assuming I'm a PSA basher because I post on N54? lol
You don't know me very well at all. >>
You're right, I don't know you and I don't really remember your posts over there, I just remember the name and remember that you are a high end card collector I believe. I don't read or post anymore over there because frankly, many of the threads became too pathetic for my taste. I only posted there a few times recently because someone here placed a link to a particular thread...in which that thread was interesting.
From your comments here though, your intentions are clear in my opinion. You could have simply tried to resolve this privately with PSA and then posted the results, but no...you wanted to first "broadcast" the situation on this forum. Your post in my view is an illustration of how pathetic many threads in that other forum have become. I didn't look and don't intend to, but I would be fairly certain you've "alerted" all the PSA bashers over there to your situation, and if you haven't yet, you most certainly will.
Again...from my recollection you are a high end card collector - why not post some decent threads over here regarding your collection and experiences instead of the usual PSA bashing BS which we've all heard before and frankly, I'm tired of it. And if you're a condescending snob and don't usually post here because you think we're not good enough for you, then FY and be gone.
Steve >>
Wow, now that was one rough reply............Talk about throwing someone under the bus!
<< <i>Wow, now that was one rough reply............Talk about throwing someone under the bus! >>
Fer real. Somebody's Xanax run out?
When the day comes that you want to sell I believe that anything in a PSA or PCGS holder will get you the most money possible.
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<< <i>Also just want to add...hey PSA isn't perfect and neither is any other grading company. If the regular members here want to offer constructive criticism to make PSA a better company to make our hobby more enjoyable, then that is fine by me. It just bugs me when a carpetbagger comes on here for seemingly the sole purpose of denigrating PSA and this forum.
Steve >>
Steve
I think ya got this wrong.
cmoking is a really good guy and a very passionate collector who was just seeking some input.
King is neither a PSA basher, nor a rabble rouser.
Although it was meant to be irony - also - anyone questioning the grade of a card or the condition, as such, without a known agenda, is not bashing PSA and it's not the same as coming into one's workplace and criticizing.
I would agree walking into the Pepsi soda plant and yelling Pepsi blows - long live Coke is inappropriate.
But, this is an information board - and as long as one isn't disparaging the mission of PSA - a little "healthy" criticism will only make them stronger.
More importantly - Merry Christmas
mike
<< <i>When the day comes that you want to sell I believe that anything in a PSA or PCGS holder will get you the most money possible. >>
Not everyone is concerned with making money on their slabs. I could care less what "value" a PSA (or any other company) adds by virtue of the label. Some collectors still collect for the enjoyment. Price guides and the profit motive are what's killing this hobby.
<< <i>
<< <i>When the day comes that you want to sell I believe that anything in a PSA or PCGS holder will get you the most money possible. >>
Not everyone is concerned with making money on their slabs. I could care less what "value" a PSA (or any other company) adds by virtue of the label. Some collectors still collect for the enjoyment. Price guides and the profit motive are what's killing this hobby. >>
I object your honor!
Relevance and argumentative.
<< <i>
<< <i>Also just want to add...hey PSA isn't perfect and neither is any other grading company. If the regular members here want to offer constructive criticism to make PSA a better company to make our hobby more enjoyable, then that is fine by me. It just bugs me when a carpetbagger comes on here for seemingly the sole purpose of denigrating PSA and this forum.
Steve >>
Steve
I think ya got this wrong.
cmoking is a really good guy and a very passionate collector who was just seeking some input.
King is neither a PSA basher, nor a rabble rouser.
Although it was meant to be irony - also - anyone questioning the grade of a card or the condition, as such, without a known agenda, is not bashing PSA and it's not the same as coming into one's workplace and criticizing.
I would agree walking into the Pepsi soda plant and yelling Pepsi blows - long live Coke is inappropriate.
But, this is an information board - and as long as one isn't disparaging the mission of PSA - a little "healthy" criticism will only make them stronger.
More importantly - Merry Christmas
mike >>
I'll take your word for it Mike.
And no it wasn't "Somebody's Xanax run out" - it had to do with my anger about the recent "possibilities" of this fine forum being shut down and my speculation that certain vermin would start haunting the board to try to make this happen. This appeared to me to be a post geared in that direction, but since Mike stated otherwise, then I apologize to Cmoking.
I still say that Cmoking could have simply contacted PSA ahead of time to try to get this resolved privately, and then post the results good or bad if there was something interesting in the proceedings to discuss. Be that as it may, I hope the situation gets resolved to Cmoking's satisfaction.
Steve
<< <i>I still say that Cmoking could have simply contacted PSA ahead of time to try to get this resolved privately, and then post the results good or bad if there was something interesting in the proceedings to discuss. Be that as it may, I hope the situation gets resolved to Cmoking's satisfaction. >>
Steve
I can't argue with you on that point - but if you re-check the tenor of the original post and his "reluctance" to show a scan - I believe he was just looking for info on the "buy back" program - the method of approaching it, etc. Perhaps finding someone here who has done it?
And, I do understand you're position on the fate of the forum. My take? PSA was just being very proactive about the situation - has taken steps to mitigate that liability - and now just observing.
No way does PSA want to throw away the baby with the bath water IMO.
Merry Christmas
mike
<< <i>And no it wasn't "Somebody's Xanax run out" - it had to do with my anger about the recent "possibilities" of this fine forum being shut down and my speculation that certain vermin would start haunting the board to try to make this happen. This appeared to me to be a post geared in that direction, but since Mike stated otherwise, then I apologize to Cmoking. >>
Thanks Mike...and thanks Steve. Thanks for explaining your thoughts, it is understandable.
<< <i>I still say that Cmoking could have simply contacted PSA ahead of time to try to get this resolved privately, and then post the results good or bad if there was something interesting in the proceedings to discuss. Be that as it may, I hope the situation gets resolved to Cmoking's satisfaction.
>>
I respect that position and maybe I should have done that first, but I'm not sure. In any case, what is posted is posted, so let's move on from here.
<< <i>Not everyone is concerned with making money on their slabs. I could care less what "value" a PSA (or any other company) adds by virtue of the label. Some collectors still collect for the enjoyment. Price guides and the profit motive are what's killing this hobby. >>
I collect for the enjoyment as well but somebody is selling cards otherwise where would we get them? I would imagine if you were going to sell some cards in order to upgrade your collection you may care as well.
Everybody has to be a little concerned about the values of their cards.
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<< <i>Everybody has to be a little concerned about the values of their cards. >>
I agree - no one would argue with that.
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Merry Christmas
mike
<< <i>Everybody has to be a little concerned about the values of their cards. >>
Again, no not everyone. If my cards are worth 10 cents or 10 million, I'd still collect for the same reasons. I have not looked at a Beckett (or any other) price guide in years. When my graded cards return from my grader of choice, I dont scurry around to find out what they're worth or if I made a profit. Some of us dont care about the money, its about the enjoyment. Ever see a classic car collector restore some relic back to what it once was? They dont care about the money, its for the love of the car....
<< <i>
<< <i>Everybody has to be a little concerned about the values of their cards. >>
Again, no not everyone. If my cards are worth 10 cents or 10 million, I'd still collect for the same reasons. I have not looked at a Beckett (or any other) price guide in years. When my graded cards return from my grader of choice, I dont scurry around to find out what they're worth or if I made a profit. Some of us dont care about the money, its about the enjoyment. Ever see a classic car collector restore some relic back to what it once was? They dont care about the money, its for the love of the car.... >>
sc
I know what you mean.
I am a collector and always lean in that direction when the subject of hobby/investment comes up.
I think you're taking the point too literally - everyone will - at some time - consider the value of their collection - not on a day to day basis with respect to running to the Beckett to see if RC xyz went up or down - but for other reasons.
I have no idea what my collection is worth - but if I were to face the grim reaper tonite - I wouldn't want my wife selling it to some cardshop for 2 cents on a dollar if you know what I mean.
<< When the day comes that you want to sell I believe that anything in a PSA or PCGS holder will get you the most money possible. >>
This comment was more directed at the "virtue" of PSA graded rather than a discussion on investment or value of cards - I inferred that he was making a strong point about the popularity of PSA over other companies and using selling to bring home the point.
Avariciously procuring and admiring ones collection isn't an admirable virtue - but a fleeting glance at value is neither a sin.
mike
Let us know what kind of response you get from Joe.
FYI, I had a card that was incorrectly graded, contacted Joe O. and had a check for fair market value in my hands in 3 weeks.
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
<< <i>Again...from my recollection you are a high end card collector - why not post some decent threads over here regarding your collection and experiences instead of the usual PSA bashing BS which we've all heard before and frankly, I'm tired of it. And if you're a condescending snob and don't usually post here because you think we're not good enough for you, then FY and be gone. >>
I don't post here often anymore but for this I will comment.
You really don't know King. He is a kind, generous and polite man. I know him well and consider him a good friend. His collection is high-end and he has legit concerns. He's not bashing PSA .
I do agree with your comments about the 54 gang though.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
<< <i>My unedited message was originally posted in outrage over Steve's comments to King. However, I see that he apologized and if that's good enough for King, it's good enough for me. King is truly one of the finest people in this hobby. >>
As are you Mr Morrell.
Merry Christmas
mike
I just am so anti-book value that it aint funny. When I was 16, I was so wrapped up in book value that I sold a GEM MINT 57 Topps Yankees Power Hitters card for $75 at a show. Book was like $60 and I thought I was one shrewd cookie.
The lure of book value got me once, never again.
King is neither a PSA basher, nor a rabble rouser.
I agree, King is a good guy.
He posts on a few boards and is always polite and his posts are always informative.
Steve
<< <i>cmoking is a really good guy and a very passionate collector who was just seeking some input.
King is neither a PSA basher, nor a rabble rouser.
I agree, King is a good guy.
He posts on a few boards and is always polite and his posts are always informative.
Steve >>
Yes, and I also agree as well. It was an error on my part.
Steve
we would never have to consider the prospect of bashers... or, hidden agendas, honesty, integrity, trolls, egos, etc.
have not yet had the opportunity to meet him in person, but have exchanged numerous emails and transacted both a purchase & a sale with him.
king is a truly class act individual, and one of the most valuable (and valued) members on this board, as well as in our hobby!
admittedly, i don't know him all that well,
but, i do know that king is a "keeper."
king-
sympathies for this dilemma... an interesting case, indeed. tho i'm certain a resolution is imminent.
reviews are free for cc members & you can drop off & pick up at shows according to their schedule.
at least you could avoid all costs & it seems that psa does take their buyback policy seriously.
start with an email to joe & see what his take on it is.
regards,
mark