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EBAY Scammers ARRESTED BY CHICAGO FEDS

bestdaybestday Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭✭
The U. S Federal attorney in Chicago made 5 arrests today nabbing some of the EBAY . scammers These scammers it is charged , with ties to Romania, scammed 2,000 EBAYERS for over 5 MILLION $$$.
The most common scam was .......you guessed it........2nd chance offers on EBAY.

This type of negative publicity and poor EBay management , will further discourage would be bidders and lessen the pool of active EBAY bidders ..translating into less income for sellers .

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  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭✭
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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The U. S Federal attorney in Chicago made 5 arrests today nabbing some of the EBAY . scammers These scammers it is charged , with ties to Romania, scammed 2,000 EBAYERS for over 5 MILLION $$$.
    The most common scam was .......you guessed it........2nd chance offers on EBAY.

    This type of negative publicity and poor EBay management , will further discourage would be bidders and lessen the pool of active EBAY bidders ..translating into less income for sellers . >>



    or it might help to publicize the rampant nature of fraudulent second chance offers and encourage some people to trust ebay a bit more, now that they know "their government is watching out for them"


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  • Ebay could be charged with aiding and abetting if they do not try in some way to stop it!!! They will be given a warning by the FEDS.

    Ebay also profits from these frauds...look they got away with $5Million before they were stoped...how much money did that make for ebay!!!!!!

    When people complained how many more sales did it take for them to halt their account or accounts!

    $5million is a lot of money to turn a blind eye to!


  • << <i>Ebay could be charged with aiding and abetting if they do not try in some way to stop it!!! They will be given a warning by the FEDS.

    Ebay also profits from these frauds...look they got away with $5Million before they were stoped...how much money did that make for ebay!!!!!!

    When people complained how many more sales did it take for them to halt their account or accounts!

    $5million is a lot of money to turn a blind eye to! >>



    Very interesting point! EBAY should have dropped the 2nd chance offer option, until they could control the rampant fraud.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭
    True scumbags!

    Unfortunately, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, a lot of people just cannot believe its actually a duck!

    Also, I can ask, exactly what can Ebay do regarding false "Second Chance Offers"?
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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Michigan is slipping. First the coin dealer car accident story and now this.
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>True scumbags! Unfortunately, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, a lot of people just cannot believe its actually a duck! Also, I can ask, exactly what can Ebay do regarding false "Second Chance Offers"? >>



    Ebay has sent out numerous messages to all members explaining how to verify second chance offers before accepting them. Do you use ebay at all?
  • I wonder if eBay will give back all the fees they collected on all those scams? imageimageimage
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ebay could be charged with aiding and abetting if they do not try in some way to stop it!!! They will be given a warning by the FEDS. Ebay also profits from these frauds...look they got away with $5Million before they were stoped...how much money did that make for ebay!!!!!! When people complained how many more sales did it take for them to halt their account or accounts! $5million is a lot of money to turn a blind eye to! >>



    Sorry but I think here you're exhibiting some of the inner attributes of the Christmas Turkey. Bad publicity is not in ebay's favor. Their business plan requires trust of buyers and they are aggressively addressing fraud. If you read your messages from them they explain how to deal with each of the scams you are likely to encounter and it becomes easy to spot them. I'm beginning to think that most ebay bashers don't acutally log on and use it but love to repeat unconfirmed or out of context "facts" they've heard elsewhere.

    Sure there are suckers out there who fall for scams--not just on ebay. Taking advantage of the elderly (several of the victims in this article were obviously elderly) has been a big business for scammers forever. I just put an old schoolteacher friend in a rest home. In his last years of freedom he lost most of his coin collection and about 2/3 of his savings to scammers. And he never owned a PC and never visited the internet.

    --Jerry
  • Time will tell how Ebay will be dealt with...yes they can give you all the how too's but how about stopping the fraud! Fraud is what they need to deal with on their auctions...fraud is their responsibility...They can warn you of it all they like...but when they take the fees attached to the auctions then they become liable!
  • meos1meos1 Posts: 1,135
    The government will never go after ebay. Everyone knows that business has the government in its pocket. Change can never happen from within. Change is a force that is external and the external forces in this issue are so wrapped up in corruption they can't or don't want to see ebay allowing this to happen. Many of these scams are intended for the lowest base of people. I have been getting email from ebay for years, by way of Manibia, Nigeria, and host of post Soviet Block countries.

    Let's ask some hard hitting questions like, "How come we are still paying tax to pay for the war between the states?" or "Exactly how many illegal imigrants do you intend to let in the US?" or "Why are we going back to the moon?"

    Government go after ebay, makes my index finger hurt!
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Time will tell how Ebay will be dealt with...yes they can give you all the how too's but how about stopping the fraud! Fraud is what they need to deal with on their auctions...fraud is their responsibility...They can warn you of it all they like...but when they take the fees attached to the auctions then they become liable! >>



    So you're suggesting that Ebay return the fees to the scammers?
  • How does ebay get any fees from fake second chance offer scams? They aren't conducted through their site at all.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>How does ebay get any fees from fake second chance offer scams? They aren't conducted through their site at all. >>



    Agree. But scams associated with hijacked accounts go through their site...thinking about it they probably get ripped off for the fees to so I'd guess the point is moot.

    I agree, ebay likely gets no fees from scammers so ignore my last post.

    --Jerry
  • Nothing Like Tunnel Vision! Real shame...

    So do you think funding of International Terriorisium could not be a tangled web on Ebay! You better think again!!!
  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭
    I wonder what the precentage of fraud is to real transactions on ebay?
  • Ebay could be a great way to Launder money...without anyone being wise to it! Sure hope the Government is!


    Ebay has a lot to contend with!
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>True scumbags! Unfortunately, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, a lot of people just cannot believe its actually a duck! Also, I can ask, exactly what can Ebay do regarding false "Second Chance Offers"? >>



    Ebay has sent out numerous messages to all members explaining how to verify second chance offers before accepting them. Do you use ebay at all? >>



    Hmmmmmm ......many scammed people ....Maybe EBAY puts $$$$$ ahead of their customer's safety and pocket book .
  • 53BKid53BKid Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭


    << <i>How does ebay get any fees from fake second chance offer scams? They aren't conducted through their site at all. >>



    Actually, they don't, at least not in the type of scam I encountered. Real second chance offers are only made through eBay messages. The fraud I encountered with AGE sets, is fabricated to look authentic. It has ebay logos and looks virtually identical to ebay's visuals, including fonts, search buttons, etc. Some of the distinguishing characteristics are the eBay logos appear a little fuzzy. Some words may be mispelled. The seller is willing to sell you the product as a buy it now, but requests you send funds direct to a foreign bank. Payment is required by the next business day.

    Be assured with this type of fraud, eBay gets nothing but a black eye.
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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ebay could be charged with aiding and abetting if they do not try in some way to stop it!!! They will be given a warning by the FEDS.

    Ebay also profits from these frauds...look they got away with $5Million before they were stoped...how much money did that make for ebay!!!!!!

    When people complained how many more sales did it take for them to halt their account or accounts!

    $5million is a lot of money to turn a blind eye to! >>



    Yes, yes where is that great fraud fighting miami lawyer chuck lipcon?image


  • << <i>This type of negative publicity and poor EBay management , will further discourage would be bidders and lessen the pool of active EBAY bidders >>



    blip on the radar screen. Ebay listings are up, and more things will be bought on Ebay than on Amazon this Christmas. Also on CNBC this afternoon they mentioned that there are more searches done on EBAY than on Google.

    2nd chance offer scams are quite easy to avoid if you have the common sense not to click links in your emails. all real offers will be in your My Ebay page message box. Sadly a lot of folks lack the common sense it takes to be safe on the internet.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Scrolling through the Internet auction site in 2004, he discovered a Model A Ford selling for only $2,500. He bought the 1930 classic and agreed to wire the money to the seller in Chicago. >>



    Sometimes it's very hard to feel any sympathy for these people.

    Russ, NCNE
  • "and agreed to wire the money to the seller in Chicago"

    Stupid people do stupid things image
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Scrolling through the Internet auction site in 2004, he discovered a Model A Ford selling for only $2,500. He bought the 1930 classic and agreed to wire the money to the seller in Chicago. >>

    Sometimes it's very hard to feel any sympathy for these people. Russ, NCNE >>



    Yes, I've heard of several similar incidents with motorcycles. All of them were guys trying to buy a bike for about 1/3 what it was worth. --Jerry
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Time will tell how Ebay will be dealt with...yes they can give you all the how too's but how about stopping the fraud! >>



    And how, exactly, is eBay supposed to stop fake second chance offers and phishing schemes? Buy up the entire internet and all the ISPs in the world?

    Russ, NCNE
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    <<< And how, exactly, is eBay supposed to stop fake second chance offers and phishing schemes? Buy up the entire internet and all the ISPs in the world?

    Russ, NCNE >>>



    Exactly! I think people are too hard on Ebay, and they do sincerely try and stop all the fraud the best they can, but there are a seemingly endless number of crooks and scammers out there in the cyber world and it's not all that easy.



  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    Well this is like any other scan that comes into your personal mail (bank,loto,etc). The best way to confirm second chance offer is to go to your Ebay mailbox and see if it's there too. Only do transactions that appear in your Ebay mailbox and not from a personal email account.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    I'm glad to hear that the local PD has cracked down on some Ebay scammers. image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well I am glad and it's about time. The more we see of "CRACKDOWNS" the less I worry about "CRACKOUTS"
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Good point Russ. Perhaps it is the ISPs that are at fault...or maybe we should try to hold the internet backbone providers liable...I don't even know who they are since all my tech stocks went Poof.

    --Jerry

    PS. I'm being sarcastic with my suggestions of blame.
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Time will tell how Ebay will be dealt with...yes they can give you all the how too's but how about stopping the fraud! >>



    And how, exactly, is eBay supposed to stop fake second chance offers and phishing schemes? Buy up the entire internet and all the ISPs in the world?

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Well Russ... the way to stop phony 2nd chance offers is to stop 2nd chance offers .Let me take this step farther.. Is it correct buusiness to offer an item for sale ...have a bidder get the winning bid , and then sell a 2nd identical item at a lower price to 2nd bidder ? I see this with some sellers .Why not offer 2nd item to winning bidder ?
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Time will tell how Ebay will be dealt with...yes they can give you all the how too's but how about stopping the fraud! >>



    And how, exactly, is eBay supposed to stop fake second chance offers and phishing schemes? Buy up the entire internet and all the ISPs in the world?

    Russ, NCNE >>



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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< Time will tell how Ebay will be dealt with...yes they can give you all the how too's but how about stopping the fraud! >>

    And how, exactly, is eBay supposed to stop fake second chance offers and phishing schemes? Buy up the entire internet and all the ISPs in the world?

    Russ, NCNE >>

    Well Russ... the way to stop phony 2nd chance offers is to stop 2nd chance offers >>



    I agree. Get rid of the feature. It's become pretty useless anyway. But, that wouldn't do anything about the phishers.

    Russ, NCNE
  • I've been an ebay buyer and seller since May of 1999. I have yet to be scammed but have identified several potiential threats in my home email box. Many people make their living on ebay and I don't think ebay is as much to blame as buyers that want to pay cheap for expensive items are and always will be sitting ducks for scammers.

    One the other day was an invoice for an item I supposedly bought and asked for payment via PayPal. I knew immediately it was not legitimate because I have no use for a CANON SUPER TELEPHOTO Lens for SLR (Retails for $2,000; supposedly won it for $59). I sent the message to PayPal and received confirmation that the invoice was not legitimate.

    Many times the people who get scammed try to buy something cheap (like 25% of current market value). I can't blame people for wanting a bargain but if the bargain is ridiculously cheap, it may end up costing you BIG TIME.
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