<< <i>I heard they took a victory lap around New York before landing in Boston. Theo requesting permission for a fly-by Mr Steinbrenner... >>
Thats all good by me when wonder boy is giving up 13 hits and 8 runs in mid Juuuuune ...... tooo the tuuune ..... of 100 MILLION
Lets also not forget that the Boston Red Sox can hardly cry foul to "the evil empire" ever again as they are most certainly are spending and behaving in the way of a big market beast flush with cash ....... has ANYBODY ever seen a NY Yankee JET with a big "NY" fly around the country with its brass and latest signee inside ?????
The main difference here, is that Dice-K (get used to it) is in the prime of his career, like most of the players the Sox acquire. For the Yankees to throw money at someone, they need to be on the wrong side of 35, injury-prone, and about washed up.
<< <i>The main difference here, is that Dice-K (get used to it) is in the prime of his career, like most of the players the Sox acquire. For the Yankees to throw money at someone, they need to be on the wrong side of 35, injury-prone, and about washed up. >>
That's tough talk coming from a team that finished in third place last year. I think you guys should worry more about catching the Blue Jays than the Yankees.
<< <i> That's tough talk coming from a team that finished in third place last year. I think you guys should worry more about catching the Blue Jays than the Yankees. >>
That is tough talk coming from a fan of a team that has not won a division title in who the hell knows how long ...... and J.D Drew, Coco Crisp, and Josh Home Run Beckett were pick ups in the "prime" of their respective careers? Now, it costs the suddenly huge spending Red Sox 100 million PLUS to land a pitcher who "might" be a top flight starter.
well, in THAT case ..... keep doing what you are doing
The $51.11 million the Red Sox offered to pay for the rights to Daisuke Matsuzaka was enough to get the Japanese ace across the Pacific Ocean. It took that much again, and a little more, to fly him the rest of the way to Boston.
Bridging the economic gap in the most expensive cultural exchange in baseball history, the Red Sox neared an agreement Wednesday with Matsuzaka on a six-year contract that would guarantee him a minimum of $52 million. With $100 million on the table, the two sides flew back to Boston on Red Sox owner John Henry's private plane.
"The sides have essentially agreed to terms on a six-year contract worth a reported $52 million with escalator clauses that could bring it to $60 million."
I thought that a deal would be struck by having a incentive clause and that appears exactly what happened. After all, shouldn't a player be paid for performance? I just wish there wre more of these type contracts with a larger percentage being the incentive part.
<< <i>J.D Drew, Coco Crisp, and Josh Home Run Beckett were pick ups in the "prime" of their respective careers? >>
Yes, yes, and absolutely yes.
One more piece remains, a closer - and you have to admit, Yankee fans are getting nervous. The starting rotation looks to be among the best (if not the very best) in baseball -
Schilling Matsuzaka Beckett Papelbon Wakefield Lester (or maybe he goes to the pen)
What will the Yankees counter with?
Mussina Pettite Wang Johnson (Is he healthy?) ???
On paper, that looks like an awful mismatch. I'll bet the Yankees throw half of what the Sox signed Dice-K for (not counting the posting fee) for one season of Clemens. The Sox want him too, but I don't think it's wise to also sign him. The Yankees will really try and tempt him, count on that.
<< <i>J.D Drew, Coco Crisp, and Josh Home Run Beckett were pick ups in the "prime" of their respective careers? >>
Yes, yes, and absolutely yes.
One more piece remains, a closer - and you have to admit, Yankee fans are getting nervous. The starting rotation looks to be among the best (if not the very best) in baseball -
Schilling Matsuzaka Beckett Papelbon Wakefield Lester (or maybe he goes to the pen)
What will the Yankees counter with?
Mussina Pettite Wang Johnson (Is he healthy?) ???
On paper, that looks like an awful mismatch. I'll bet the Yankees throw half of what the Sox signed Dice-K for (not counting the posting fee) for one season of Clemens. The Sox want him too, but I don't think it's wise to also sign him. The Yankees will really try and tempt him, count on that. >>
I may rethink this if I were you, Jerry.
Schilling-- A great pitcher, although he did just turn 40. Beckett- A very effective pitcher. Matsuzaka- Has never pitched in a MLB game Papelbon- Has never started (?) a MLB game Wakefield- The Charlie Hough of our generation.
The Yankees, meanwhile, have:
Wang- The Cy Young runner up this year Pettitte- At 34 is still a very effective pitcher Mussina- Again, a very effective pitcher Johnson- Agreed, he's probably done. And then in the fifth spot you have Phillip Hughes (maybe), or Clemens (if he signs).
That looks pretty close to me. The one thing the Sox have going for them IMO is that they have a better GM than the Yanks, so that counts for something. But if Clemens signs with the Yanks the pitching staffs will be a wash.
I like the Yankees chances a lot better than I do the Red Sox, and I'm not a fan of either team, a completely unbiased fan when it concerns teams in other divisions than the Tigers.
The Red Sox starting pitching staff is still very suspect, even with Matsuzaka signed. Keep in mind, this guy has been worked to the bone over the last 8 years in the pros, plus he threw a ton in high school... his arm already has a lot of mileage for a 26 year old. Plus, he's going to be in quite a different environment than anything he has ever endured before. Boston is not a city where you can just hide or blend in when you want to, ask Manny about that. Schilling will struggle at times, he's no longer the dependable ace starter he once was. Papelbon got injured pitching in short relief, and I'm still trying to figure out how pitching roughly 4x as many innings is going to curtail further injuries to him. Beckett is good some days, awful others, you never know what you're going to get with him on any given start. And Wakefield is as hittable as I've ever seen him. His knuckler has definitely lost something, and he won't fool anyone if he has to start throwing other pitches if it's not knuckling properly.
The Yankees are in position to perform a coup de grace on the rest of the AL East if they somehow manage to lure Clemens back. Right now they have 3 solid front-line starters, and Johnson may still be decent when he's healthy enough to play. Throw in one more legitimate starter, especially Clemens, and you have a playoff team. Assuming the wild card comes out of the central, second place probably won't cut in out east this season.
I could be wrong but it looks like the Yanks have a much deeper selection when it comes to pulling up pitchers from the Minors. Igawa's fate, if signed, will probably be in the bullpen but could turn out to be a fairly effective 4th or 5th guy.
<< <i> As everyone knows, the Red Sox [team stats] were winging their way back to Boston with their $100 million man, Daisuke Matsuzaka yesterday, and we’ve already told you how excited we are to have his bride, Tomoyo Shibata, aka Rockets, in the Fenway fold.
Now, word outta Houston is that the Sox are the front-runners for the services of Roger Clemens.
“When the dust settles I would suspect Roger Clemens will pitch in 2007 for the Boston Red Sox,” says John Lopez of the Houston Chronicle, who claims the Sox have made “the most impressive pitch” to the Rocket Man.
>>
In the Boston Herald, today. Interesting - I believe he wants to come back and pitch here, but I would be surprised to see the Sox ante up and pay him, also.
<< <i> As everyone knows, the Red Sox [team stats] were winging their way back to Boston with their $100 million man, Daisuke Matsuzaka yesterday, and we’ve already told you how excited we are to have his bride, Tomoyo Shibata, aka Rockets, in the Fenway fold.
Now, word outta Houston is that the Sox are the front-runners for the services of Roger Clemens.
“When the dust settles I would suspect Roger Clemens will pitch in 2007 for the Boston Red Sox,” says John Lopez of the Houston Chronicle, who claims the Sox have made “the most impressive pitch” to the Rocket Man.
>>
In the Boston Herald, today. Interesting - I believe he wants to come back and pitch here, but I would be surprised to see the Sox ante up and pay him, also. >>
Agreed. I would like to see it, but how deep are the Sox pockets? Clemens will likely want something along the lines of what he got in Houston last year -- what was that? $22 million for the season (of which he got a prorated portion due to his shortened season)?
Barndog, the sox can afford it Im sure that you been to Fenway.
Overpriced seats, concessions et. al. deals with fox, nesn and ESPN keep the good time rolling, big bucks from merchandise. they have money to burn. signing clemens means millions in merchandising and promotions.
<< <i>Barndog, the sox can afford it Im sure that you been to Fenway.
Overpriced seats, concessions et. al. deals with fox, nesn and ESPN keep the good time rolling, big bucks from merchandise. they have money to burn. signing clemens means millions in merchandising and promotions. >>
I don't know if they would turn a profit if they had to give Clemens $22 million. Incrementally, is he going to bring in more than $22 million to a team that already sells out every single game of the year?
I was there on opening day in 2005. I could have died after that game as a happy man!
<< <i>I don't know if they would turn a profit if they had to give Clemens $22 million. Incrementally, is he going to bring in more than $22 million to a team that already sells out every single game of the year? >>
Absolutely, positively, and without a doubt... Yes.
Edited to add: I cannot describe what he did in Houston. It was a coming home party every time he pitched. Just multiply that times 100 for what it would do in Boston.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Relative to Clemens, there is a thin line between love & hate; I was at his Yankee debut at Fenway (vs Pedro in the playoff). The hatred was thick in the air. The love would be just as thick if he returned, and if he beat the Yankees it would be like he never left. Who knows how much he (or Petite based on both being "outed") will have left in their respective tanks?
<< <i>I don't know if they would turn a profit if they had to give Clemens $22 million. Incrementally, is he going to bring in more than $22 million to a team that already sells out every single game of the year? >>
Absolutely, positively, and without a doubt... Yes.
Edited to add: I cannot describe what he did in Houston. It was a coming home party every time he pitched. Just multiply that times 100 for what it would do in Boston. >>
I thought filling seats was a problem in Houston. It is not at all an issue in Boston. Different markets, different effect. If NESN raises its advertising rates on Clemens games and the Sox get a cut of it, maybe. Or some other creative profit-oriented marketing would be needed.
The Red Sox fans would certainly welcome him back, and stown is right - multiply the positive reaction he had in Houston by at least 100. Games where he pitches would be impossible tickets, and as rabid as Sox fans are now, they would go absolutely insane for him to come back and beat the Yanks a few times.
I know I would.
Remember, it wasn't Clemens idea to leave Boston in the first place, rather it was the short-sighted team management at the time that showed him the door. What a huge mistake that turned out to be. Can you imagine him, with Pedro Martinez back then?
All things being equal, can someone explain to me why exactly would Clemens pick Boston over New York again?
In NY, he has Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Posada, Pettite, Torre and others he's enjoyed tremendous success with. He's gone to war with these guys. He knows them and they know him.
Why would he choose Boston over the Yankees if he was to come back to the American League? It can't be about money because there's no way Boston can outspend NY for his services. It can't be loyalty to the Boston team because there's nobody on that roster that he's played with before (in a significant fashion).
<< <i>I thought filling seats was a problem in Houston. It is not at all an issue in Boston. Different markets, different effect. If NESN raises its advertising rates on Clemens games and the Sox get a cut of it, maybe. Or some other creative profit-oriented marketing would be needed. >>
Not really. Last year, we averaged about 38k with 43k seats available. Since Enron/MMP opened, think we have averaged about 37k... Don't get me wrong, Clemens pitching is a guaranteed sell-out, but overall not that significant.
And there will be "wicked" marketing surrounding him. He's knows this is his last ride and it's time to cash in.
If you though Shilling said, "You ghatta play wicked haad at tha paahk" for Dunkin' Donuts a lot, just wait for Clemens to come back
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
They'll trade Pena, and possibly Crisp - for a closer. At least, those are the rumors. As far as Gagne goes, no way - the guy hasn't pitched effectively in years, and he's coming off two major surgeries. He wanted guaranteed money, and Boras wouldn't let him actually pitch for prospective teams. Too much risk there.
DBH - Clemens is a product of the Red Sox farm system, and he pitched 13 seasons in Boston. I'm sure he sees a chance to finish his career back where it started, as being a perfect ending - especially if he can add to a championship team. Of course, no one really knows what he thinks at this point - and despite what Boston reporters say, I believe Houston will pay Roger whatever it takes to keep him there one last year.
I believe the Pettite/Jeter/Torre factor and the fact there are still many players on the Yankee squad from 2003 would far outweigh whatever feelings he might have for Boston.
I just dont get why anyone thinks that Clemens would want to pitch in Boston again. Has he said that he would like to? The man hated Boston and Boston hated him, I dont care who management was at the time. Correct me if I am wrong but didnt he feel very unappreciated there? Why would he want that to be his last hooray? I just think he would rather end his career in Houston or NY....I know I would.
personally, i'd want to come back to Boston for one last hurrah. Sox fans love you, or hate you, or they love to hate you, but they are great fans. I saw every game this year vs. the Indians.. and the response to players like Ortiz being up in clutch situations was like no other ive experienced (including several playoff games) they would get that riled up for Clemens, he would feel it, feed of it. I'd love to see him pitch for the Sox before he retires, and Im not even a sox fan
<< <i>Schilling-- A great pitcher, although he did just turn 40, (at the end of a nice career
Beckett- A very effective pitcher. ( a better pitcher for the NL, gives up way too many homers in the AL)
Matsuzaka- Has never pitched in a MLB game (he's the real deal, coung on him for 15 wins)
Papelbon- Has never started (?) a MLB game (def. injury risk, who knows what happens with his arm this year, hopefully he is Ok)
Wakefield- The Charlie Hough of our generation. (eats innings, but forces the sox to use Mirabelli, who is on a serious down slide)
plus..WHO closes?? they should have tossed money at GAGNE, worth the risk in my opinion. >>
Papelbon started 3 games in 2005, actually. I saw him pitch one of those games in Anaheim and he dominated. I can't remember what his exact line was, but I believe he pitched 8 shutout innings. He's definitely got the talent and the ability to be a starter. And from what I've read, his health concerns will actually be less of an issue as a starter than they were when he was relieving. In fact, the team doctors suspected that it was all the warming up for relief appearances that caused his arm to get tired as the season went on. They think that having a set schedule will benefit him greatly.
I'd bet that before the season starts the Red Sox will have a quality closer. There's been all kinds of speculation about who . . . Gonzalez from Pittsburgh, Otsuka from Texas, Broxton from the Dodgers, Putz from the Mariners, and Linebrink from the Padres, but it could also be homegrown. They really thought that Hansen could close for them. Last year's audition wasn't very convincing though.
My prediction: instead of Wily Mo (whom Theo loves) they'll trade Crisp and someone else for a closer.
Clemens has said he felt betrayed by the Sox and the fans, but that all changed after the thunderous applause he got at Fenway on his original "retirement tour". He felt the love - and all seems to have been forgiven on both sides.
<< <i>I'd bet that before the season starts the Red Sox will have a quality closer. There's been all kinds of speculation about who . . . Gonzalez from Pittsburgh, Otsuka from Texas, Broxton from the Dodgers, Putz from the Mariners, and Linebrink from the Padres, but it could also be homegrown. They really thought that Hansen could close for them. Last year's audition wasn't very convincing though. >>
They really want Broxton, but the Dodgers have been reluctant to part with him. Gonzalez - I read that once the Sox targeted a possible trade for him back (he was with Boston for around a week in 2003), the Yankees showed interest as well. Otsuka would be the guy I'd want, if not Broxton, and I'd bet Texas would trade him.
Putz isn't going anywhere, and neither is Linebrink. Hansen is a year away, if he can even close at all.
<< <i> . Otsuka would be the guy I'd want, if not Broxton, and I'd bet Texas would trade him.
>>
The Yankees have Otsuka's number. I would love that trade >>
Speaking of the Yankees having numbers, is it true that the entire pitching staff has Medicare's number on speed dial? >>
I never laugh at injured players - but last season, I remember seeing Carl Pavano being listed as out with "bruised buttocks". I couldn't stop laughing...
<< <i> . Otsuka would be the guy I'd want, if not Broxton, and I'd bet Texas would trade him.
>>
The Yankees have Otsuka's number. I would love that trade >>
The Yanks want Otsuka? I didn't know that. He probably wants to close, though - after how well he did that last season.
Sox did make another nice pickup yesterday, signing Brendan Donnelly from the Angels. This guy has been a great middle relief pitcher for the last several years in Anaheim (I think he was even an All-Star a few years back) - and while he's not the closer, he'll be a great addition to the bullpen.
sox also signed JC romero (along with Donnoley) shoring up the middle innings. Now they just need a real stud to close. Hansen might never be that guy. If they could get Gonzolez from Pittsburgh, might help out a lot.
OK, I will. Has anybody calculated how much the Red Sox are paying Matsuzaka per walk?
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>OK, I will. Has anybody calculated how much the Red Sox are paying Matsuzaka per walk? >>
Aghh, at this point... Way too much. Like I said in the Sox thread lets chaulk this up as a bad outing. He will regroup and be fine, he can take control out there lets just hope its sooner than later.
I think his new nickname should be No-Dice-W (alk)
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
This is not a dig at Red Sox or the Red Sox fans....but DiceK has a lot more "junk" than I had heard about. He is using too much of those junk pitches and doesnt appear he is establishing with his fastball. Just the limited pitching I have seen....am I right or way off????
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<< <i>I heard they took a victory lap around New York before landing in Boston. Theo requesting permission for a fly-by Mr Steinbrenner...
<< <i>I heard they took a victory lap around New York before landing in Boston. Theo requesting permission for a fly-by Mr Steinbrenner...
Thats all good by me when wonder boy is giving up 13 hits and 8 runs in mid Juuuuune ...... tooo the tuuune ..... of 100 MILLION
Lets also not forget that the Boston Red Sox can hardly cry foul to "the evil empire" ever again as they are most certainly are spending and behaving in the way of a big market beast flush with cash ....... has ANYBODY ever seen a NY Yankee JET with a big "NY" fly around the country with its brass and latest signee inside ?????
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<< <i>The main difference here, is that Dice-K (get used to it) is in the prime of his career, like most of the players the Sox acquire. For the Yankees to throw money at someone, they need to be on the wrong side of 35, injury-prone, and about washed up. >>
That's tough talk coming from a team that finished in third place last year. I think you guys should worry more about catching the Blue Jays than the Yankees.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i> That's tough talk coming from a team that finished in third place last year. I think you guys should worry more about catching the Blue Jays than the Yankees.
That is tough talk coming from a fan of a team that has not won a division title in who the hell knows how long ...... and J.D Drew, Coco Crisp, and Josh Home Run Beckett were pick ups in the "prime" of their respective careers?
well, in THAT case ..... keep doing what you are doing
The $51.11 million the Red Sox offered to pay for the rights to Daisuke Matsuzaka was enough to get the Japanese ace across the Pacific Ocean.
It took that much again, and a little more, to fly him the rest of the way to Boston.
Bridging the economic gap in the most expensive cultural exchange in baseball history, the Red Sox neared an agreement Wednesday with Matsuzaka on a six-year contract that would guarantee him a minimum of $52 million. With $100 million on the table, the two sides flew back to Boston on Red Sox owner John Henry's private plane.
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I thought that a deal would be struck by having a incentive clause and that appears exactly what happened. After all, shouldn't a player be paid for performance? I just wish there wre more of these type contracts with a larger percentage being the incentive part.
Sox close in on Matsuzaka
Coveted right-hander arrives in Boston with club officials
<< <i>J.D Drew, Coco Crisp, and Josh Home Run Beckett were pick ups in the "prime" of their respective careers? >>
Yes, yes, and absolutely yes.
One more piece remains, a closer - and you have to admit, Yankee fans are getting nervous. The starting rotation looks to be among the best (if not the very best) in baseball -
Schilling
Matsuzaka
Beckett
Papelbon
Wakefield
Lester (or maybe he goes to the pen)
What will the Yankees counter with?
Mussina
Pettite
Wang
Johnson (Is he healthy?)
???
On paper, that looks like an awful mismatch. I'll bet the Yankees throw half of what the Sox signed Dice-K for (not counting the posting fee) for one season of Clemens. The Sox want him too, but I don't think it's wise to also sign him. The Yankees will really try and tempt him, count on that.
<< <i>
<< <i>J.D Drew, Coco Crisp, and Josh Home Run Beckett were pick ups in the "prime" of their respective careers? >>
Yes, yes, and absolutely yes.
One more piece remains, a closer - and you have to admit, Yankee fans are getting nervous. The starting rotation looks to be among the best (if not the very best) in baseball -
Schilling
Matsuzaka
Beckett
Papelbon
Wakefield
Lester (or maybe he goes to the pen)
What will the Yankees counter with?
Mussina
Pettite
Wang
Johnson (Is he healthy?)
???
On paper, that looks like an awful mismatch. I'll bet the Yankees throw half of what the Sox signed Dice-K for (not counting the posting fee) for one season of Clemens. The Sox want him too, but I don't think it's wise to also sign him. The Yankees will really try and tempt him, count on that. >>
I may rethink this if I were you, Jerry.
Schilling-- A great pitcher, although he did just turn 40.
Beckett- A very effective pitcher.
Matsuzaka- Has never pitched in a MLB game
Papelbon- Has never started (?) a MLB game
Wakefield- The Charlie Hough of our generation.
The Yankees, meanwhile, have:
Wang- The Cy Young runner up this year
Pettitte- At 34 is still a very effective pitcher
Mussina- Again, a very effective pitcher
Johnson- Agreed, he's probably done.
And then in the fifth spot you have Phillip Hughes (maybe), or Clemens (if he signs).
That looks pretty close to me. The one thing the Sox have going for them IMO is that they have a better GM than the Yanks, so that counts for something. But if Clemens signs with the Yanks the pitching staffs will be a wash.
The Red Sox starting pitching staff is still very suspect, even with Matsuzaka signed. Keep in mind, this guy has been worked to the bone over the last 8 years in the pros, plus he threw a ton in high school... his arm already has a lot of mileage for a 26 year old. Plus, he's going to be in quite a different environment than anything he has ever endured before. Boston is not a city where you can just hide or blend in when you want to, ask Manny about that. Schilling will struggle at times, he's no longer the dependable ace starter he once was. Papelbon got injured pitching in short relief, and I'm still trying to figure out how pitching roughly 4x as many innings is going to curtail further injuries to him. Beckett is good some days, awful others, you never know what you're going to get with him on any given start. And Wakefield is as hittable as I've ever seen him. His knuckler has definitely lost something, and he won't fool anyone if he has to start throwing other pitches if it's not knuckling properly.
The Yankees are in position to perform a coup de grace on the rest of the AL East if they somehow manage to lure Clemens back. Right now they have 3 solid front-line starters, and Johnson may still be decent when he's healthy enough to play. Throw in one more legitimate starter, especially Clemens, and you have a playoff team. Assuming the wild card comes out of the central, second place probably won't cut in out east this season.
<< <i> As everyone knows, the Red Sox [team stats] were winging their way back to Boston with their $100 million man, Daisuke Matsuzaka yesterday, and we’ve already told you how excited we are to have his bride, Tomoyo Shibata, aka Rockets, in the Fenway fold.
Now, word outta Houston is that the Sox are the front-runners for the services of Roger Clemens.
“When the dust settles I would suspect Roger Clemens will pitch in 2007 for the Boston Red Sox,” says John Lopez of the Houston Chronicle, who claims the Sox have made “the most impressive pitch” to the Rocket Man.
>>
In the Boston Herald, today. Interesting - I believe he wants to come back and pitch here, but I would be surprised to see the Sox ante up and pay him, also.
<< <i>
<< <i> As everyone knows, the Red Sox [team stats] were winging their way back to Boston with their $100 million man, Daisuke Matsuzaka yesterday, and we’ve already told you how excited we are to have his bride, Tomoyo Shibata, aka Rockets, in the Fenway fold.
Now, word outta Houston is that the Sox are the front-runners for the services of Roger Clemens.
“When the dust settles I would suspect Roger Clemens will pitch in 2007 for the Boston Red Sox,” says John Lopez of the Houston Chronicle, who claims the Sox have made “the most impressive pitch” to the Rocket Man.
>>
In the Boston Herald, today. Interesting - I believe he wants to come back and pitch here, but I would be surprised to see the Sox ante up and pay him, also. >>
Agreed. I would like to see it, but how deep are the Sox pockets? Clemens will likely want something along the lines of what he got in Houston last year -- what was that? $22 million for the season (of which he got a prorated portion due to his shortened season)?
Overpriced seats, concessions et. al. deals with fox, nesn and ESPN keep the good time rolling, big bucks from merchandise. they have money to burn. signing clemens means millions in merchandising and promotions.
<< <i>Barndog, the sox can afford it
Overpriced seats, concessions et. al. deals with fox, nesn and ESPN keep the good time rolling, big bucks from merchandise. they have money to burn. signing clemens means millions in merchandising and promotions. >>
I don't know if they would turn a profit if they had to give Clemens $22 million. Incrementally, is he going to bring in more than $22 million to a team that already sells out every single game of the year?
I was there on opening day in 2005. I could have died after that game as a happy man!
<< <i>I don't know if they would turn a profit if they had to give Clemens $22 million. Incrementally, is he going to bring in more than $22 million to a team that already sells out every single game of the year? >>
Absolutely, positively, and without a doubt... Yes.
Edited to add: I cannot describe what he did in Houston. It was a coming home party every time he pitched. Just multiply that times 100 for what it would do in Boston.
Bosox1976
<< <i>
<< <i>I don't know if they would turn a profit if they had to give Clemens $22 million. Incrementally, is he going to bring in more than $22 million to a team that already sells out every single game of the year? >>
Absolutely, positively, and without a doubt... Yes.
Edited to add: I cannot describe what he did in Houston. It was a coming home party every time he pitched. Just multiply that times 100 for what it would do in Boston. >>
I thought filling seats was a problem in Houston. It is not at all an issue in Boston. Different markets, different effect. If NESN raises its advertising rates on Clemens games and the Sox get a cut of it, maybe. Or some other creative profit-oriented marketing would be needed.
I know I would.
Remember, it wasn't Clemens idea to leave Boston in the first place, rather it was the short-sighted team management at the time that showed him the door. What a huge mistake that turned out to be. Can you imagine him, with Pedro Martinez back then?
In NY, he has Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Posada, Pettite, Torre and others he's enjoyed tremendous success with. He's gone to war with these guys. He knows them and they know him.
Why would he choose Boston over the Yankees if he was to come back to the American League? It can't be about money because there's no way Boston can outspend NY for his services. It can't be loyalty to the Boston team because there's nobody on that roster that he's played with before (in a significant fashion).
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<< <i>I thought filling seats was a problem in Houston. It is not at all an issue in Boston. Different markets, different effect. If NESN raises its advertising rates on Clemens games and the Sox get a cut of it, maybe. Or some other creative profit-oriented marketing would be needed. >>
Not really. Last year, we averaged about 38k with 43k seats available. Since Enron/MMP opened, think we have averaged about 37k... Don't get me wrong, Clemens pitching is a guaranteed sell-out, but overall not that significant.
And there will be "wicked" marketing surrounding him. He's knows this is his last ride and it's time to cash in.
If you though Shilling said, "You ghatta play wicked haad at tha paahk" for Dunkin' Donuts a lot, just wait for Clemens to come back
Beckett- A very effective pitcher. ( a better pitcher for the NL, gives up way too many homers in the AL)
Matsuzaka- Has never pitched in a MLB game (he's the real deal, coung on him for 15 wins)
Papelbon- Has never started (?) a MLB game (def. injury risk, who knows what happens with his arm this year, hopefully he is Ok)
Wakefield- The Charlie Hough of our generation. (eats innings, but forces the sox to use Mirabelli, who is on a serious down slide)
plus..WHO closes?? they should have tossed money at GAGNE, worth the risk in my opinion.
<< <i>Schilling-- A great pitcher, although he did just turn 40, (at the end of a nice career
Beckett- A very effective pitcher. ( a better pitcher for the NL, gives up way too many homers in the AL)
Matsuzaka- Has never pitched in a MLB game (he's the real deal, coung on him for 15 wins)
Papelbon- Has never started (?) a MLB game (def. injury risk, who knows what happens with his arm this year, hopefully he is Ok)
Wakefield- The Charlie Hough of our generation. (eats innings, but forces the sox to use Mirabelli, who is on a serious down slide)
plus..WHO closes?? they should have tossed money at GAGNE, worth the risk in my opinion. >>
someone out there must want Wily Mo in exchange for a closer.
Bueller? Bueller?
DBH - Clemens is a product of the Red Sox farm system, and he pitched 13 seasons in Boston. I'm sure he sees a chance to finish his career back where it started, as being a perfect ending - especially if he can add to a championship team. Of course, no one really knows what he thinks at this point - and despite what Boston reporters say, I believe Houston will pay Roger whatever it takes to keep him there one last year.
I believe the Pettite/Jeter/Torre factor and the fact there are still many players on the Yankee squad from 2003 would far outweigh whatever feelings he might have for Boston.
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Looks like he is getting into his role just fine
<< <i>...sadly seconds later, he slipped on the ice and broke his hip and throwing arm.
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<< <i>Schilling-- A great pitcher, although he did just turn 40, (at the end of a nice career
Beckett- A very effective pitcher. ( a better pitcher for the NL, gives up way too many homers in the AL)
Matsuzaka- Has never pitched in a MLB game (he's the real deal, coung on him for 15 wins)
Papelbon- Has never started (?) a MLB game (def. injury risk, who knows what happens with his arm this year, hopefully he is Ok)
Wakefield- The Charlie Hough of our generation. (eats innings, but forces the sox to use Mirabelli, who is on a serious down slide)
plus..WHO closes?? they should have tossed money at GAGNE, worth the risk in my opinion. >>
Papelbon started 3 games in 2005, actually. I saw him pitch one of those games in Anaheim and he dominated. I can't remember what his exact line was, but I believe he pitched 8 shutout innings. He's definitely got the talent and the ability to be a starter. And from what I've read, his health concerns will actually be less of an issue as a starter than they were when he was relieving. In fact, the team doctors suspected that it was all the warming up for relief appearances that caused his arm to get tired as the season went on. They think that having a set schedule will benefit him greatly.
I'd bet that before the season starts the Red Sox will have a quality closer. There's been all kinds of speculation about who . . . Gonzalez from Pittsburgh, Otsuka from Texas, Broxton from the Dodgers, Putz from the Mariners, and Linebrink from the Padres, but it could also be homegrown. They really thought that Hansen could close for them. Last year's audition wasn't very convincing though.
My prediction: instead of Wily Mo (whom Theo loves) they'll trade Crisp and someone else for a closer.
If I had to bet:
Astros: 30% chance
Yankees: 50% chance
Red Sox: 20% chance
Field: 0%
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<< <i>I'd bet that before the season starts the Red Sox will have a quality closer. There's been all kinds of speculation about who . . . Gonzalez from Pittsburgh, Otsuka from Texas, Broxton from the Dodgers, Putz from the Mariners, and Linebrink from the Padres, but it could also be homegrown. They really thought that Hansen could close for them. Last year's audition wasn't very convincing though.
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They really want Broxton, but the Dodgers have been reluctant to part with him. Gonzalez - I read that once the Sox targeted a possible trade for him back (he was with Boston for around a week in 2003), the Yankees showed interest as well. Otsuka would be the guy I'd want, if not Broxton, and I'd bet Texas would trade him.
Putz isn't going anywhere, and neither is Linebrink. Hansen is a year away, if he can even close at all.
<< <i> . Otsuka would be the guy I'd want, if not Broxton, and I'd bet Texas would trade him.
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The Yankees have Otsuka's number. I would love that trade
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<< <i> . Otsuka would be the guy I'd want, if not Broxton, and I'd bet Texas would trade him.
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The Yankees have Otsuka's number. I would love that trade
Speaking of the Yankees having numbers, is it true that the entire pitching staff has Medicare's number on speed dial?
<< <i> Speaking of the Yankees having numbers, is it true that the entire pitching staff has Medicare's number on speed dial? >>
Good question, I dunno. Why don't you ask Curt Schilling and Tim Wakefield? Aren't they Medicare spokesman?
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<< <i> . Otsuka would be the guy I'd want, if not Broxton, and I'd bet Texas would trade him.
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The Yankees have Otsuka's number. I would love that trade
Speaking of the Yankees having numbers, is it true that the entire pitching staff has Medicare's number on speed dial? >>
I never laugh at injured players - but last season, I remember seeing Carl Pavano being listed as out with "bruised buttocks". I couldn't stop laughing...
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<< <i> . Otsuka would be the guy I'd want, if not Broxton, and I'd bet Texas would trade him.
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The Yankees have Otsuka's number. I would love that trade
The Yanks want Otsuka? I didn't know that. He probably wants to close, though - after how well he did that last season.
Sox did make another nice pickup yesterday, signing Brendan Donnelly from the Angels. This guy has been a great middle relief pitcher for the last several years in Anaheim (I think he was even an All-Star a few years back) - and while he's not the closer, he'll be a great addition to the bullpen.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>OK, I will. Has anybody calculated how much the Red Sox are paying Matsuzaka per walk? >>
Aghh, at this point... Way too much. Like I said in the Sox thread lets chaulk this up as a bad outing. He will regroup and be fine, he can take control out there lets just hope its sooner than later.
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