IT is NGC EF-45 The coin is darker in hand. I think I am going to have to get another light source. The halogens work fine on morgans, but washes out the darker coins.
I can believe that NGC gave this Bust Half Dollar XF45, but I certainly would not pay XF money for such a dark marked up coin. I think ANACS would have "detailed" this coin and given a VF net grade.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Is there ANY luster on the coin? From the pics you can see where the luster us worn off/gone from the fields, luster needed for a 45 grade. I would not ever crack this one out of that slab---it will probable be entombed in that plastic forever.
The pictures do the coin an injustice. It has a decent luster with the color a dark steel grey. The halogens washed out the photos. I used color correction in photoshop and the results are not too much better
The highest points on the coin never show that much wear in AU grades. That should be your first indication from extra fine to about uncirculated grade, and as already mentioned... LUSTER !
I see an incredible difference in TPG's standards for grading coins in certain series.
If you read the pic right, I believe there is in fact ample luster in the sheltered areas on that coin. Having said this, it is not AU. I am not fond of the big digs on the reverse fields, in particular. Nice enough coin in the low XF price range. Looks unmolested, I'll give it that.
Thanks everyone for your opinions. After reading them all I can make the determination that: 1. It is maxed out at ef-45 2. I payed too much at $200.00......
<< <i>Thanks everyone for your opinions. After reading them all I can make the determination that: 1. It is maxed out at ef-45 2. I payed too much at $200.00...... >>
For what it's worth, I just spent a little time with my Overton and as best I can tell your CBH looks like an O-113 R4. $200 isn't out of line for this variety in EF45. Ed Souders estimates $190 to $300 for this variety in EF.
I don't see it as an Overton 113 - looks to be O. 110, R.3 (missing the broken arrow shafts of the O. 113, date alignment is off and stars on left are drawn to the edge). I think the present grade is even a bit generous. It's still a bustie with great character, though!
<< <i>Thanks everyone for your opinions. After reading them all I can make the determination that: 1. It is maxed out at ef-45 2. I payed too much at $200.00...... >>
For what it's worth, I just spent a little time with my Overton and as best I can tell your CBH looks like an O-113 R4. $200 isn't out of line for this variety in EF45. Ed Souders estimates $190 to $300 for this variety in EF. >>
Where does Souders give a value for the O-113 in 45?? The above coin is not an O-113 which is also known as a Broken Arrow variety. Here is an O-113
<< <i>Thanks everyone for your opinions. After reading them all I can make the determination that: 1. It is maxed out at ef-45 2. I payed too much at $200.00...... >>
For what it's worth, I just spent a little time with my Overton and as best I can tell your CBH looks like an O-113 R4. $200 isn't out of line for this variety in EF45. Ed Souders estimates $190 to $300 for this variety in EF. >>
Where does Souders give a value for the O-113 in 45?? The above coin is not an O-113 which is also known as a Broken Arrow variety. Here is an O-113
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I was looking in his "Top 100 R4 and R5 Capped Bust Half Dollar Variety and Sub-Varieties" p.100 (he gives estimates in this guide). Regarding the broken arrows, Overton does indicate that arrow shafts "...arrow shafts MAY be weak or broken near right claw." As I said, it looks like a 113--so I'm wrong. Could also be a 110 which has the same reverse. What do you think it is?
Hi Billboat, It does look to me like the O-110 (different die state of the same reverse) Thanks for the reference to Souders book. I mistakenly though the price was quoted from "Bust Half Fever" Thanks again.
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but i too think its more ef than anything
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Not even close to AU
From the pics you can see where the luster us worn off/gone from the fields, luster needed for a 45 grade.
I would not ever crack this one out of that slab---it will probable be entombed in that plastic forever.
I see an incredible difference in TPG's standards for grading coins in certain series.
1. It is maxed out at ef-45
2. I payed too much at $200.00......
I have a lot of issues grading dark coins, so don't feel bad...I still like it a lot
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<< <i>Thanks everyone for your opinions. After reading them all I can make the determination that:
1. It is maxed out at ef-45
2. I payed too much at $200.00...... >>
For what it's worth, I just spent a little time with my Overton and as best I can tell your CBH looks like an O-113 R4. $200 isn't out of line for this variety in EF45. Ed Souders estimates $190 to $300 for this variety in EF.
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<< <i>Thanks everyone for your opinions. After reading them all I can make the determination that:
1. It is maxed out at ef-45
2. I payed too much at $200.00...... >>
For what it's worth, I just spent a little time with my Overton and as best I can tell your CBH looks like an O-113 R4. $200 isn't out of line for this variety in EF45. Ed Souders estimates $190 to $300 for this variety in EF. >>
Where does Souders give a value for the O-113 in 45??
The above coin is not an O-113 which is also known as a Broken Arrow variety. Here is an O-113
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<< <i>Thanks everyone for your opinions. After reading them all I can make the determination that:
1. It is maxed out at ef-45
2. I payed too much at $200.00...... >>
For what it's worth, I just spent a little time with my Overton and as best I can tell your CBH looks like an O-113 R4. $200 isn't out of line for this variety in EF45. Ed Souders estimates $190 to $300 for this variety in EF. >>
Where does Souders give a value for the O-113 in 45??
The above coin is not an O-113 which is also known as a Broken Arrow variety. Here is an O-113
>>
I was looking in his "Top 100 R4 and R5 Capped Bust Half Dollar Variety and Sub-Varieties" p.100 (he gives estimates in this guide). Regarding the broken arrows, Overton does indicate that arrow shafts "...arrow shafts MAY be weak or broken near right claw." As I said, it looks like a 113--so I'm wrong. Could also be a 110 which has the same reverse. What do you think it is?
It does look to me like the O-110 (different die state of the same reverse)
Thanks for the reference to Souders book. I mistakenly though the price was quoted from "Bust Half Fever"
Thanks again.