<< <i>Im not really concerned with getting beat up, its the hit my reputation would take that would bother me most. I play with a group of "associates" and at a club I belong to and believe me if you EVER cheated you would have a fight on your hands no doubt but worse than that you would never be allowed to play in a game in the area, outside of a casino
The advice I always give...never and I do mean NEVER play face-to-face poker with people you don't know. For example hearing of a game in a barber shop from somebody you meet for the first time and he invites you to the game - that would be an extremely bad idea to go to that game because the odds are almost certain you'll be cheated, maybe not on the first night but on future nights. I'll stop here with that for now, but you're right about not wanting to cheat among people you know, "associates" and such - that is totally understandable.
I've actually never witnessed a fight among card players but I witnessed some very heated arguments, VERY heated and I sometimes thought they were gonna turn into a fight but fortunately cooler heads prevailed...and this wasn't even about cheating...it was usually about not receiving credit or nobody willing to lend someone money after they already lost a lot of money. Sometimes somebody doesn't quite understand why after they've lost say $500, why somebody doesn't lend him back some of their winnings so he can keep playing, and he gets PO'd over it.
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I've seen two fights-- and both of them erupted in an Omaha 8 game. Which will come as exactly no surprise to anyone who's spent significant amounts of time with O8 players in a casino. >>
Funny story- back when I was a sophomore me and a buddy went to a game hosted by a few freshman and we got freakin' cleaned out!!! Well these morons decided to laugh about it with some friends at school and you know the deal it leaked back to us, they cheated by keeping aces and face cards on there laps and then passing the deck after the hand was over-stupid for us not to pick up on it but it worked and we got crushed- only about a $200 between us but still! Well we kept our cool and decided a little revenge was in order so we scheduled another game for the following weekend and got them to play wild cards ( dealers choice ) so we sat next each other and did the old tap each others foot thing IE: two taps meant deuces were wild ect..- well we got our money back and took all of theirs and then split the money outside laughing in front of the house- they were not happy!
The good old days Nowadays you would prolly get shot!
<< <i>Funny story- back when I was a sophomore me and a buddy went to a game hosted by a few freshman and we got freakin' cleaned out!!! Well these morons decided to laugh about it with some friends at school and you know the deal it leaked back to us, they cheated by keeping aces and face cards on there laps and then passing the deck after the hand was over-stupid for us not to pick up on it but it worked and we got crushed- only about a $200 between us but still! Well we kept our cool and decided a little revenge was in order so we scheduled another game for the following weekend and got them to play wild cards ( dealers choice ) so we sat next each other and did the old tap each others foot thing IE: two taps meant deuces were wild ect..- well we got our money back and took all of theirs and then split the money outside laughing in front of the house- they were not happy!
The good old days Nowadays you would prolly get shot! >>
They got what they deserved. Actually it's not easy to spot cheaters unless they're very sloppy - the old saying "the hand is quicker than the eye" is true. Doyle has stated about draw poker which isn't played much if at all any longer in high stakes games...he said, "You either cheated or you got cheated" which is one reason why holdem became popular - it's not impossible but it's difficult to cheat at holdem in a face-to-face game due to the nature of the game and the way the cards are dealt.
Not that any of this matters or is any answer to anything that has been said before this.........
I play poker. A very small bit online, the real small stakes sit n go's. I wont play cash games online. I play once a week (or once every other week) in small bar buy in games usually about 60 bucks (or up to 150 bucks) is the buy in. I run one tournament every month (for this guy who 'owns' the tournament rights - I wont explain this) and then get to free roll in the next event - so anything I win when playing is in the positive for me- any event I dont win in doesnt matter cause I free roll - for my payment for running the last tourney. Then I also get tipped by winners when I run the tournament.
I go to the casino in greenbay (never the one in milwaukee) about twice a year. I go to Vegas once or twice a year (I went to Tunica in January). I consider myself a solid and also a aggressive player who mixes it up and plays the numbers, odds, players, situations, positions at the table very well. (I guess or at least I believe this to be true).
I keep all of my stats on a site online. I have been doing this for 2.5 years and had kept paper notes for 1.5 years. In the 4 years I have had 2 winning years and 1 losing year and so far this year is basically even. In the years combined before this year I know for a fact in my play I am down 2 grand. Three quarters of this is attributed to my trip last year to Vegas buying into a 1500 buy in event and not lasting an hour when my Kings, Aces, Tens, Ace King and Threes all lost. My Aces sent me packing when a guy had AK and flopped trips on me. This is the same guy who calls me out of position with pocket fives when I have Kings and he is risking 1/3 of his stack and he hits a miracle 5. So I will stop whining about this right here and right now..................
So am I gambling. Yes. Sure to some extent. Do I play smart. I like to think so I play to the situations of the games and the people around me. I am actually pretty tight with my money and I keep track of everything. In the 4 years I have played poker I am down about the 2 grand I spoke of above.
In that same time frame I have spent 11K on card collecting (PSA, raw, 70s baseball) and have spent I dont know how much more on my woman and other things. I own a house and I have a very nice paying job and have a nice nest egg in my investments (roth ira, traditional ira, mutual funds, 401K, etc) . I have a buddy that we chop our tournament winnings when we both play in the same tournament - I dont count the winnings I get from him in my poker stats - I dont know how much more that helps slicing into the money I have logged as being down (in the negative) in this poker thing.
Its the only "gambling" that I do, besides sometimes playing sheepshead or playing "Pai-Gow" in Vegas. I am playing in a WSOP event again this year and I hope to make it past a friggin hour this year. [By the way I was at the table with Jerry Buss [la lakers] last year and he was gone before me - within a half hour - when his Queens got snapped by QJ when a guy flopped the nut straight].
I watch cards (wsop, wpt, high stakes poker) on TV with other buddies when there is nothing else to do - to learn more about the game and its situations.
The poker thing is in no way a sport, but it helps pass the time, and I have met lots of cool people while playing - met several degenerates also (who I stay away from ) - but the cool friendships I have gathered through this entertainment far outweigh the donkeys and the tools that I have come acrossed.
Not that any of this mattered above, I just thought I would put in my commentary for whatever its worth.
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<< <i>Im not really concerned with getting beat up, its the hit my reputation would take that would bother me most. I play with a group of "associates" and at a club I belong to and believe me if you EVER cheated you would have a fight on your hands no doubt but worse than that you would never be allowed to play in a game in the area, outside of a casino
The advice I always give...never and I do mean NEVER play face-to-face poker with people you don't know. For example hearing of a game in a barber shop from somebody you meet for the first time and he invites you to the game - that would be an extremely bad idea to go to that game because the odds are almost certain you'll be cheated, maybe not on the first night but on future nights. I'll stop here with that for now, but you're right about not wanting to cheat among people you know, "associates" and such - that is totally understandable.
I've actually never witnessed a fight among card players but I witnessed some very heated arguments, VERY heated and I sometimes thought they were gonna turn into a fight but fortunately cooler heads prevailed...and this wasn't even about cheating...it was usually about not receiving credit or nobody willing to lend someone money after they already lost a lot of money. Sometimes somebody doesn't quite understand why after they've lost say $500, why somebody doesn't lend him back some of their winnings so he can keep playing, and he gets PO'd over it.
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I've seen two fights-- and both of them erupted in an Omaha 8 game. Which will come as exactly no surprise to anyone who's spent significant amounts of time with O8 players in a casino. >>
Was one of them named Matusow? LOL
Steve
The good old days
<< <i>Funny story- back when I was a sophomore me and a buddy went to a game hosted by a few freshman and we got freakin' cleaned out!!! Well these morons decided to laugh about it with some friends at school and you know the deal it leaked back to us, they cheated by keeping aces and face cards on there laps and then passing the deck after the hand was over-stupid for us not to pick up on it but it worked and we got crushed- only about a $200 between us but still! Well we kept our cool and decided a little revenge was in order so we scheduled another game for the following weekend and got them to play wild cards ( dealers choice ) so we sat next each other and did the old tap each others foot thing IE: two taps meant deuces were wild ect..- well we got our money back and took all of theirs and then split the money outside laughing in front of the house- they were not happy!
The good old days
They got what they deserved. Actually it's not easy to spot cheaters unless they're very sloppy - the old saying "the hand is quicker than the eye" is true. Doyle has stated about draw poker which isn't played much if at all any longer in high stakes games...he said, "You either cheated or you got cheated" which is one reason why holdem became popular - it's not impossible but it's difficult to cheat at holdem in a face-to-face game due to the nature of the game and the way the cards are dealt.
Steve
I play poker. A very small bit online, the real small stakes sit n go's. I wont play cash games online. I play once a week (or once every other week) in small bar buy in games usually about 60 bucks (or up to 150 bucks) is the buy in. I run one tournament every month (for this guy who 'owns' the tournament rights - I wont explain this) and then get to free roll in the next event - so anything I win when playing is in the positive for me- any event I dont win in doesnt matter cause I free roll - for my payment for running the last tourney. Then I also get tipped by winners when I run the tournament.
I go to the casino in greenbay (never the one in milwaukee) about twice a year. I go to Vegas once or twice a year (I went to Tunica in January). I consider myself a solid and also a aggressive player who mixes it up and plays the numbers, odds, players, situations, positions at the table very well. (I guess or at least I believe this to be true).
I keep all of my stats on a site online. I have been doing this for 2.5 years and had kept paper notes for 1.5 years. In the 4 years I have had 2 winning years and 1 losing year and so far this year is basically even. In the years combined before this year I know for a fact in my play I am down 2 grand. Three quarters of this is attributed to my trip last year to Vegas buying into a 1500 buy in event and not lasting an hour when my Kings, Aces, Tens, Ace King and Threes all lost. My Aces sent me packing when a guy had AK and flopped trips on me. This is the same guy who calls me out of position with pocket fives when I have Kings and he is risking 1/3 of his stack and he hits a miracle 5. So I will stop whining about this right here and right now..................
So am I gambling. Yes. Sure to some extent. Do I play smart. I like to think so I play to the situations of the games and the people around me. I am actually pretty tight with my money and I keep track of everything. In the 4 years I have played poker I am down about the 2 grand I spoke of above.
In that same time frame I have spent 11K on card collecting (PSA, raw, 70s baseball) and have spent I dont know how much more on my woman and other things. I own a house and I have a very nice paying job and have a nice nest egg in my investments (roth ira, traditional ira, mutual funds, 401K, etc) . I have a buddy that we chop our tournament winnings when we both play in the same tournament - I dont count the winnings I get from him in my poker stats - I dont know how much more that helps slicing into the money I have logged as being down (in the negative) in this poker thing.
Its the only "gambling" that I do, besides sometimes playing sheepshead or playing "Pai-Gow" in Vegas. I am playing in a WSOP event again this year and I hope to make it past a friggin hour this year. [By the way I was at the table with Jerry Buss [la lakers] last year and he was gone before me - within a half hour - when his Queens got snapped by QJ when a guy flopped the nut straight].
I watch cards (wsop, wpt, high stakes poker) on TV with other buddies when there is nothing else to do - to learn more about the game and its situations.
The poker thing is in no way a sport, but it helps pass the time, and I have met lots of cool people while playing - met several degenerates also (who I stay away from ) - but the cool friendships I have gathered through this entertainment far outweigh the donkeys and the tools that I have come acrossed.
Not that any of this mattered above, I just thought I would put in my commentary for whatever its worth.
later
Rich