Carlos Lee is an Astro
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Just saw on ESPN.com that he signed for six years at $100 million total. Lots of "early" free agent signings this year. I think the big deal of the hot stove season is still to be made...and it won't be Barry Zito. I believe this is the year that Manny moves out of Boston.
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Now all we need to do is sign Clemens, Pettitte, and Woody (in no particular order).
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I am glad Seattle has stayed out of these ridiculous signings...it makes no sense to toss these kinds of guys money like this.
WHOA!
These are all ridiculous amounts of money.
haha I guess when you've been drinking the yankeejuice for as long as you apparently have, you believe this chit.
<< <i>More than anything, I think that shows the financial strength of baseball. Teams are making millions and millions of dollars regardless of how the accountants make it appear. Teams CAN afford these players and the teams that care about winning will spend the money. >>
Exactly. My understanding is that baseball is currently awash in cash, which makes it a very good time to be a free agent. These signings were made possible by the overall financial health of baseball, not by the delirium of a a couple playoff-starved GM's.
However, I think it's silly to say that only teams that 'want' to win will make these deals. It would be more accurate to say that teams which consider themselves only a couple pieces away from contending will make these deals, since it makes no sense to sign high priced free agents if you're still going to have trouble breaking .500
But will you be glad when Seattle finishes in last place again next year?
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<< <i>I am glad Seattle has stayed out of these ridiculous signings..
But will you be glad when Seattle finishes in last place again next year? >>
One need not sign a ton of overpriced and overvalued free agents to be competitive...just look at the Oaklands of the world, look at Detroit.
The teams that are successful on a long term basis do so by developing and rewarding home grown talent.
The teams that are successful on a long term basis do so by developing and rewarding home grown talent.
I agree. The Yankees and the Mets are two excellent examples of that.
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The teams that are successful on a long term basis do so by developing and rewarding home grown talent.
I agree. The Yankees and the Mets are two excellent examples of that. >>
Sure they aren't.
Those two teams are the epitome of overspending to buy free agent help.
<< <i>Yeah, because we all know that Jeter, Rivera, Posada, Williams, and Pettite are all bums. >>
Where's Petite playing these days?
I said everyday players.
And I like how quickly this thread derailed to the ny fanatics.
I agree. The Yankees and the Mets are two excellent examples of that. >>
Sure they aren't.
Come again? The core of the four-time Yankee World Series Championship teams were all players from the Yankees farm system: Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Andy Petitte, etc.
And just this past season the Mets locked up David Wright and Jose Reyes to multi-year deals even before they were arbitration eligible.
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Saying that Carlos Lee is worth $100 million is ludicrous.
The only thing ludicrous here is your utter lack of baseball knowledge and your asinine observations. Whine on cowboy!
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<< <i>you're saying that teams spending ridiculous amounts of money on subpar players shows they 'want' to win?
haha I guess when you've been drinking the yankeejuice for as long as you apparently have, you believe this chit. >>
This is EXACTLY where the Yankees talk started...your own derailment.
At one point, the Yankees DID reward him but he wanted to be closer to home. That was lucky for the Astros.
Funny how you ignore the other Yankees players. Also funny how you havent defended your stance on the wealth of teams and why they sign these big contracts.
I am GLAD the Mariners didn't sign Lee for $100 million. Or Soriano for $17 million a year. Or Pierre for $50 million.
You all can think what you want, but those signings DON'T win you ANYTHING.
haha I guess when you've been drinking the yankeejuice for as long as you apparently have, you believe this chit. >>
This is EXACTLY where the Yankees talk started...your own derailment.
Don't confuse Axhole with the facts. She's easily confused. Besides, we all know what a hypocrite she is by now!
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<< <i>Who's whining?
I am GLAD the Mariners didn't sign Lee for $100 million. Or Soriano for $17 million a year. Or Pierre for $50 million.
You all can think what you want, but those signings DON'T win you ANYTHING. >>
A fine example of a fan of a team that doesnt care about winning. This is a common opinion of fans left out in the cold. (and bitter)
I'm out.
<< <i>Good work, you 2, on ruining another thread.
I'm out. >>
Translation: I was wrong so now I shall stop responding to this thread before I continue to show my lack of understanding baseball.
Translation: I was wrong so now I shall stop responding to this thread before I continue to show my lack of understanding baseball.
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<< <i>My guess is that the Cubs fans are thrilled to have Soriano, Astros fans thrilled about having Lee, and the Dodger fans very happy to have Pierre. Congrats to those fans, teams, and players! It's all about building success that leads to more revenue! This is NOT bad for baseball! >>
It's the game today, like it or not.
Here's to spending more than the next guy!
Cheers!
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$12.5 for two years sounds like a good deal to me.
It may not pan out but at least my team is trying
Soriano is worth it if he plays center field or second base...NOT IF HE PLAYS LEFT FIELD! Knowing the Cubs luck though, it wouldn't be surprising if he ends up turning into Juan Samuel after all. He should not be batting lead off either.
Lee is similar hitting wise to Soriano, but Soriano's speed and his ability to play second or center make Soriano a better deal for roughly the same per year salary. I could also see Lee getting fat and old fast...not quite the same physical concern with Soriano. I just fear what happens when Soriano loses a pinch off of his bat speed and becomes a pure guess hitter....that is a terrible prospect for Cubs fans. Hopefully he maintains what he has done the last few seasons. Last season was most likely a career year for him...though he will still be close to it.
Yes, Adrian Beltre is the dumbest signing ever, and how it was not painfully obvious that he would regress to his previous CEMENTED FIVE YEAR MEDIOCRITY, is beyond me. How a GM could not fear this? THe Seattle GM is not too bright.
Lee could end up being a fat slob and destined for the DH.
Woody could be over the hill and have nothing left in his tank.
But at least we are trying
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I'm an Angels fan and I can't believe they dumpted that much coin on Gary Matthews Jr. I'm sure that there is someone just as productive as him in the farm system right now. Heck, sign Erstad for less and put him back in Center and put a young bat at first. He is going to be 38 before this contract runs out. 38!!!! He is not R. Henderson!!
This is a very weak FA season and these teams are dolling out mad mad mad cake.
<< <i>There is no way that Lee, Soriano, and the rest of these recent signings are worth what they are getting.
I'm an Angels fan and I can't believe they dumpted that much coin on Gary Matthews Jr. I'm sure that there is someone just as productive as him in the farm system right now. Heck, sign Erstad for less and put him back in Center and put a young bat at first. He is going to be 38 before this contract runs out. 38!!!! He is not R. Henderson!!
This is a very weak FA season and these teams are dolling out mad mad mad cake. >>
I think the Red Sox will spend stupid on JD Drew. Mad mad mad cake, I like that.
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<< <i>Soriano may wind up being the first 50/50 player in Chicago, so I think it's hard to argue that he's not worth as big a contract as anyone has these days, but the 8 years are a gamble. If he can give the Cubs 4-5 years of 40/40 baseball, and a World Series berth, no one will be complaining. Chicago still needs pitching, though. >>
I think Soriano will be more valuable to Chicago (for the same money) than Beltran is to the Mets.
I agree with that, if he continues to put up the numbers he has. And there's no reason to think otherwise at this point.
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<< <i>I think the Red Sox will spend stupid on JD Drew. Mad mad mad cake, I like that. >>
Yes, I think the Sox are going to sign Drew and Julio Lugo, both for more money than they should get.
Also, Astros fans, I keep hearing about Clemens pitching a final season in Boston this upcoming year. I used to think it was crazy, but more and more reporters are mentioning it.
<< <i>I still dont understand why on earth Clemens would want to pitch for the Red Sox again. Seemed that I remember Boston was happy to see him go and he was happy to leave Boston. Is this for real or just a bunch of reporter pipe dreams and rumors? >>
Old management wanted him gone...nothing to do with the current owners.
Good luck with Lee, I fell out of my chair when I saw what he signed for. The problems with him in Chicago were fielding and attitude. He was a constant source of irritation to the ball club with his I could care less attitude. It wasn't until the last year of his contract that he got serious about learning hot to shut down his "5" hole. Lucky for him there is a dearth of free agents this year. Same for Matthews, silly money.
<< <i>The Yanks have been forced to pay to play because they haven't developed pitching in the last 20 plus years.
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This is mostly true with the obvious exceptions of Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, and now Wang. I tell you what though, with all of this money flying around is it not at least a bit refreshing that the Yankees have not been involved one bit? I like what the Yankees are doing. They are stocking the minors with young arms through trades to augment the few real quality arms they drafted (Phil Hughes).
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I am sure the Yankees will sign a couple second tier guys (Lilly or Schmidt or whoever) to keep things patched up till Phil Hughes is truly ready. Phil Huges is a stud ..... possibly the best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball.
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<< <i>And with many teams, when that home grown talent matures, off they go to another team willing to pay for their services. Names like Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr, and Alex Rodriguez come to mind. Yes, they were rewarded but not by the team they came up with but by a team who was interested in winning. >>
The most ridiculous post in this thread full of ridiculous posts.
Big Unit was widely thought to be DONE when he wasn't re-signed by Seattle...is it any wonder why he signed with Arizona? How many contenders were lining up to sign this guy?
Ken Griffey, Jr. couldn't be signed to any team other than the Reds for ANY amount of money - he signed for less than what he was due to play near home.
Arod. Come on now, $25 million a year? What team in their right mind would even try to counter offer that?
Now, that you've had your revisionist history lesson debunked, try thinking for yourself for once - it's refreshing!