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I'm clueless on Morgans--can you grade this 1883-CC?

gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
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I'd sure appreciate it.
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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    Image has the contrast set too high to grade it. I cansee it is a typical clash clean up; so I would not be surprised if it was prooflike. Better pics?
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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    Here are two more, uncropped but perhaps closer to what you need. Thanks very much--Guy.
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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    It looks like a MS-63 to me.

    Very lusterous, but a tad baggy.
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  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭
    63-64
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The first picture I wouldn't have given it MS62. The next picture I'd say MS63.
    Is that a die break at two o'clock , coming off of the cap and extending to the rim on the obverse ?

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63

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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    MS63, but I would discount it as a low-end for the grade.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>MS63, but I would discount it as a low-end for the grade. >>



    um, is that a 62.9 or a 63.3 ?

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  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    62

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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    It's MS63 for grade and a low price for a 63 in value. (Personally, I think BU, Ch BU, Gem BU all were fine for grades. Valuation has always been a mix of aesthetics and where in the Ch or Gem spectrum is fell.)
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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The reverse looks 63+ while the obverse looks 63- so I would call it MS63.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Solid 63, possibly as high as 64.

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    MS64 (the strike is a little weak for a CC-mint coin, but the marks are very superficial).
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  • SNMANSNMAN Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭
    MS-63image

    Nice coin.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a difference a picture makes!

    MS61-62 in the first one. Solid MS63 in the second one.
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    63.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's really an MS-63, but sometimes pieces like this get into MS-64 holders. That happen more often with slightly better dates like 1878-CC, 1880-CC and 1881-CC. Chances are MS-63 will be what you will get. That makes the MS-63 coins hard to sell at "bid" because there very little price spread between MS-63 and 64.
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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 for sure.
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<MS64 (the strike is a little weak for a CC-mint coin, but the marks are very superficial). >>>

    I almost concur except the row of reed marks across the face makes me stick with 63.
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  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭
    63, no more and no less.

    I think you could crack it and resubmit it a dozen times and it would get a 63 everytime.

    Were it a rarer CC morgan, say a 90 or something of that nature, I could see it slipping into a 64 holder on some days.

    I know that's not fair nor logical, but I also know it to be true from lots of experience with the CC Morgans.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a 64 to me. Full fresh luster demands a lot of marks to knock it down to 63.
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  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    MS63. I'll also add that to me, the coin looks borderline PL. Not enough to earn the designation (from the pictures) however, it's still nice. Maybe a little more PL on the reverse than the obverse.
  • Newcomp103Newcomp103 Posts: 2,223 ✭
    I am still mad at PCGS for how far they are off on the 1920 Buffalo you recently posted!!! I have seen many graded 64 not that nice, (as far as I can tell by the picture). So I will say 64.
  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am still mad at PCGS for how far they are off on the 1920 Buffalo you recently posted!!! I have seen many graded 64 not that nice, (as far as I can tell by the picture). So I will say 64. >>



    I like the way you think, Newcomp.
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  • granpagrafgranpagraf Posts: 292
    PCGS = 62
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  • RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A touch weak over the ear, but a good strike otherwise with nice luster. Were the marks not in the prime focal area, I'd go MS64, but since they are and they are numerous, I'd go MS63 - solid.
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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gyocomdg:

    1st Set of Photos = MS-62
    2nd Set of Photos = MS-63

    Coin appears to be Semi-PL, which is very typical and common for the 1883-CC Morgan. It appears to be an attractive MS-63.

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  • techefftecheff Posts: 2,285
    Here's a PCGS 65 for comparison...


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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    My coin definitely is a notch or two below that coin, Techeff. Sweet...
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  • 09sVDB09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
    My first thought was 63
  • techefftecheff Posts: 2,285
    My coin definitely is a notch or two below that coin, Techeff. Sweet...

    Don't be so sure... I've been taught the "learn your series" lesson many times. I think you're looking at a 64 with a shot at 65. Best of luck...
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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    MS62/63
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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭


    << <i>My coin definitely is a notch or two below that coin, Techeff. Sweet...

    Don't be so sure... I've been taught the "learn your series" lesson many times. I think you're looking at a 64 with a shot at 65. Best of luck... >>



    Incidentally, I note that your CC is 1881, mine is 1883. Are the years deemed to be pretty much identical in terms of their characteristics?
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  • techefftecheff Posts: 2,285
    yep
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