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First Strike Definitions: what is/are the numismatic related definition(s)?

Putting the TPG First Strike debacle aside, I thought it would be a good idea to explore the definition of first strike when used as a numismatic term. I have seen forum members throw out all kinds of definitions (some way off base IMO) so I decided to go to the web and see what I could find. Here is a list of what I found in the past 20 minutes. I have also seen it defined or used in several books but I didn't feel like doing the research. The web is much quicker, though may not be as accurate.

Please add any sourced definition to the thread. All sources are welcome, just be sure to name the source.

http://www.islandcoins.com/numismatic%20glossary.htm
First strike: A coin struck early in the life of a die. First strikes can be characterized by striated or mirror-like fields if the die was polished. First strikes are almost always fully or well struck, with crisp detail.

http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.com/coin-collecting-guide.html
First Strike: A coin struck shortly after a new die is placed into service. First strike coins often are the most coveted by collectors, having sharper details and even sometimes proof-like qualities.

http://www.fleur-de-coin.com/e-library/terms2.asp?sec=6&letter=1#
First Strike: An unofficial term referring to a coin struck shortly after a new die is put into use. Such coins often have prooffike surfaces and resemble proof, in certain (but not all) characteristics. Resurfaced previously-used dies sometimes also have these characteristics

http://www.cdacoinclub.org/index.php?cmd=7
First Strike: An unofficial term referring to a coin struck shortly after a new die is put into use. Such coins often have prooflike surfaces and resemble proof, in certain (but not all) characteristics. Resurfaced previously-used dies sometimes also have these characteristics.

http://www.morganmint.com/04_c_glossary.html
First Strike: The first coin, or one of the earliest coins, stuck from a pair of dies. These are usually Proof-like, well-struck and nearly perfect.

http://www.bestcoin.com/F-coin-collecting-definitions.htm
first strike: the first coin, or one of the earliest coins, struck from a pair of dies. These are usually Prooflike, well struck and nearly perfect.

http://www.pcgs.com/lingo.chtml?universeid=313&letter=F
First Strike (TM)
Beginning in 2004, PCGS began designating coins delivered by the U.S. Mint in the 30 day period following the initial sales date of a new product as "First Strike". For instance, new American Silver Eagles typically go on sale each January 1st, thus any coins delivered between January 1 and January 31 qualify for the First Strike (TM) designation.

http://www.coincommunity.com/dictionary/coins_f.asp
first strike: A coin struck early in the life of a die. First strikes sometimes are characterized by striated or mirror-like fields if the die was polished. Almost always fully or well struck, with crisp detail.

http://www.numismedia.com/glossary.htm
First strike: A coin struck early in the life of a die. First strikes can be characterized by striated or mirror-like fields if the die was polished. First strikes are almost always fully or well struck, with crisp detail.

http://www.coinlink.com/2006/library/glossary.html#f
First strike: A coin struck early in the life of a die. First strikes can be characterized by striated or mirror-like fields if the die was polished. First strikes are almost always fully or well struck, with crisp detail.

http://www.louisvillecoin.com/lcc/glossary.asp
First strike: A coin struck early in the life of a die. First strikes can be characterized by striated or mirror-like fields if the die was polished. First strikes are almost always fully or well struck, with crisp detail.

http://www.savoncoins.com/numismatic-glossary.htm
first strike: the first coin, or one of the earliest coins, struck from a pair of dies. These are usually Prooflike, well struck and nearly perfect.

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    One of these things is not like the others,
    One of these things just doesn't belong,
    Can you tell which thing is not like the others
    By the time I finish my song?

    Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
    Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
    If you guessed this one is not like the others,
    Then you're absolutely...right!

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    -Amanda
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,230 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image

    One of these things is not like the others,
    One of these things just doesn't belong,
    Can you tell which thing is not like the others
    By the time I finish my song?

    Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
    Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
    If you guessed this one is not like the others,
    Then you're absolutely...right! >>


    image I had that record!

    Looks like a little plagiarism going on across those websites.
  • RYK

    I was just being fair. I did not exclude any definitions I found in my search. Interesting that my search did not find the NGC definition. I found first strike to be included in about 1 out of 3 numismatic glossaries that my search found.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>image

    One of these things is not like the others,
    One of these things just doesn't belong,
    Can you tell which thing is not like the others
    By the time I finish my song?

    Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
    Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
    If you guessed this one is not like the others,
    Then you're absolutely...right! >>


    image I had that record!

    Looks like a little plagiarism going on across those websites. >>



    I also had that album as a child. image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>RYK

    I was just being fair. I did not exclude any definitions I found in my search. Interesting that my search did not find the NGC definition. I found first strike to be included in about 1 out of 3 numismatic glossaries that my search found. >>



    I did not suggest otherwise. I just could not help but whistle that tune as I was reading the definitions. image

  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For the AM First Strike™ fans...
  • Hot Items and First Strike on US Mint web site
    This is on topic .......the US Mints response to First Strike coins.....
    ......Larry........image
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like the last few straws are falling away...

    Great post Fatsimage

    When you sell your morals for a buck you will never get them back.................image
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • you see tried and true numismatic terms are subject to spin and wild interpretation when a grading service can extract a few more dollars from their submittors image


    pretty soon full head and full bands and full bell lines will be determined by the postmark on your package image
    when judgement day comes..
  • I wonder which PCGS 20th Anniversary First Strike™ Silver Eagle is worth more: the 2005 or the 2006 version?? image
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited cause I don't want to kill Fats thread----it is too important.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • RGTRGT Posts: 508 ✭✭
    Does anyone know when the term "First Strike" started being used in numismatics? I never heard of it until the TPGs started using it. Sure, I heard of Early Die State, but not First Strike. Can anyone find a published recored at least ten years old that has a definition of First Strike? I checked my 1976 Coin World Alminac and it wasn't in there. If the term is a well known industry standard it should be published somewhere before the TPGs started using it.

    Of course First Strike sounds like it should be defined just as those web sources say. But you can't say the TPGs are distorting an industry standard if you just made up the "standard" after the TPGs started using it. Of course I think the First Strike designation is a crock, but I think that any reasonable person should already realize that and not be crying foul at the TPGs over a marketing gimic.
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    It's back in the news.

    Anybody else have any sourced definitions?

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