Looks like O-101 R1. Time to buy the Overton book. >>
'Reckon so, mozin. I just completed a lengthy PM exchange with Ed (edmerlr) where he mentioned this. Thanks to both of you for all the Bustie info you share here - I for one, really appreciate it!
Exclusively collecting Capped Bust Halves in VF to AU, especially rarity 3 and up. Joe G. Great BST purchases completed with commoncents123, p8nt, blu62vette and Stuart. Great coin swaps completed with rah1959, eyoung429 and Zug. Top-notch consignment experience with Russ.
Mozin has religiously kept track and kept us informed of the missing die states on these Bustie yeardate threads. Thank you, Mozin.
Two of the 1826 die states still missing are from the same die marriage. One is listed as the 1826 O-116 with a notation ("may not exist") and the other is the O-116a.
It is time to address these die states and a lengthy explanation is necessary to understand the situation.
When I first started collecting Bustie die states my goal was to collect the EDS and LDS as listed in the O/P book. At that time I only had the 3rd Edition. For a beginning die states collector with limited knowledge, no experience and no mentor, I did what every new collector does - I took the O/P book as the "Bible." What was in the book was gospel.
I anticipated no problems finding the 1826 O-116 or the O-116a. After all, they both were R1 coins and should be easy to find.
Quickly I was able to find an example of the O-116 die marriage. After a couple of years the O-116 and O-116a die states (per the 3rd Edition O/P book) eluded me. I could not find the die states with or without the diagnostic die cracks per the book.
The 3rd Edition states (briefly) for each die state concerning die cracks:
O-116:
Obverse: A die line near inner points of four segments just above star 7 may not show (be there). NO OBVERSE DIE CRACKS are listed. (On my coin below the die line is marked with green arrows.)
Reverse: NO REVERSE DIE CRACKS ARE LISTED.
O-116a:
Obverse: The die line may not show. There are two primary die cracks: (1) a fine die crack joins all stars on the left and runs to the milling above the cap and (2) a second die crack joins all stars on the right and runs to the milling above the cap. In addition, LDS coins have the left die crack extending across the bust and going thru the center of the date.
Reverse: A die crack encircles most of the reverse. (Red arrows on my coin below.)
After get frustrated and not finding these COMMON die states (per the book), I decided to ask the experts. The gentlemen that I asked are frequent Forum posters. (Slumlord98 and FEVER) Both gentlemen gave me their explanation for the "correct" diagnostics for the O-116 and O-116a. Unfortunately my "past, received and read, old e-mail filing system" is lacking I cannot find their explanations. ...but I do remember that their expanations were slightly DIFFERENT. ...and I do remember being just as confused after I read them as I was before I read them.
When I heard that a new 4th Edition O/P book was coming out, I eagerly awaited its arrival. SURELY any errors in the 1826 O-116 die marriage description would be corrected. Boy did I get more confused when I read the NEW description.
The 4th Edition states (briefly) for each die state concerning die cracks:
O-116:
Obverse: THE SAME explanation as the 3rd Edition. A die line near inner points of four segments just above star 7 may not show. NO OBVERSE DIE CRACKS are listed.
Reverse: DIFFERENT from the 3rd Edition. A die crack encircles most of the reverse.
O-116a:
Obverse: THE SAME explanation as the 3rd Edition. The die line may not show. Two primary die cracks: (1) a fine die crack joins all stars on the left and runs to the milling above the cap and (2) a second die crack joins all stars on the right and runs to the milling above the cap. In addition, LDS coins have the left die crack extending across the bust and going thru the center of the date.
Reverse: THE SAME explanation as the 3rd Edition. A die crack encircles most of the reverse.
IN BOTH EDITIONS
(1) A die crack is supposed to be at the right stars. I cannot find the O-116 DM with this die crack RUNNING THRU THE RIGHT STARS.
(2) Also I have not seen the O-116 DM with the die crack running across the bust and continuing thru the center of the date. (This die crack may exist, because the left star die crack on my coin DOES lead to the bust.)
Following is my example of the 1826 O-116 DM. I gave up long ago trying to figure out if it is the O-116 or the O-116a die state. In my collection it has been simply labeled "The 1826 O-116 die marriage."
Back in the olden days when I was a college student at good ole State U., I took a class in logic. It didn't take long to realize that being a philosophy major would reward me in a similar manner as my GED. Neo-neo positivism seemed as much a heap of BS then as now. One thing I remember, other than that my brief college career was a lot of fun, was the professor harping about referring to an inexpert authority. When one seeks the total die state picture in Overton, he is appealing to that inexpert authority. That is the source of your confusion. I don't remember enough about this DM to answer all your questions, but this I do remember- this obverse was previously used on O.115 and this is where the first obverse crack developed. If you find a 116 with no obverse crack, that coin would document a remarriage. However, I doubt one exists. Keep looking, though.
Mozin, Mozin, Mozin ! Re:"...You die state people are too exacting for me. " Actually they're not.... the confusion lies in O/P!
Time for a little flexibility, you have the facts at hand. But don't get away from the point. If there is ONE it may exist in the possible 1000+ examples of O-116a or a mis-attributed 1826.
What was overlooked... here is the second state of the first use! The O-115a model. The obverse diagnostics for O-116 are found in O-115a. But you won't find it in the O/P 4th!!! This may just be one of those shuffled around and misplaced notes, Either lost or found, it doesn't matter.
The facts are present just look!
Herrman's 1826 O-116 PCGS MS 62/62 B&M Smith/Youngman 03/03, was it? (common variety) A single listing for this very common marriage? Again, was it?
Just above the same listing. 1826 O-115a R-6? Thin crack thru left stars.
First slide please....
Slumlord 98 brings this point up. RE:"...this obverse was previously used on O.115 and this is where the first obverse crack developed."
1826 O-115a, Second state of the first use of Obverse die 10 paired with Reverse K. As in the easy difference of the two reverses, first "A" of States higher than second "T". With Reverse O, "A" under "T".
Next is the die line and crack to rim from Star 7.
We see the crack on all left side's stars.
I found patches of rust in this "a" state, does your O-116a have them, ED? Or were they lapped off at a later time.
I agree with Mozin's label of the O-116a.
So, is the primary die state for this 0-116a, the need to remove the "a" model and just make it 0-116.
MB, what is your's greaded? Looks exactly like mine ----- PCGS graded it at AU 50. The strike is a little weak, but they must have liked the peripheral luster.
I know I do!!
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
Help needed I can see a couple of different things with this one that are not memtioned, or I missed in the book. On the obverse the 8 & 2 are allmost joined, and the 6 appears higher. On the reverse above and to the right of the eagles head is a die clash line. More of the die clash is shown at top of left wing and below the wing.
I have read though this post and the Overton book and still don't know what I have here. BTW is is a PCGS Xf45 graded coin.
Obverse: Star 1 is very close to drapery, and it points between dentils. Stars 8 & 9 are flatter than others. 82 is too close at top.
Reverse: AT is lightly joined, and AM is solidly joined. Centerline of stripe 2 extends upwards too far, and line 3 extends down almost to arrow shaft. I is centered under the left side of T.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
I love the gorgeous toning on your 1826 O-109, Mozin.
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As the 2007 Holiday Season approaches, I am getting closer and closer to my goal of thinning out my Bustie collection.
Therefore, I wanted to take the lazy way out and show my 1826 obverses in their Dansco Album pages. (I have 15 more years of Busties in their Dansco pages to show. I will do this in the future as time and energy permits. Unless requested, my 1807 O-111a will never be shown - it is by far, my most unattractive, butt ugly coin.)
Ed That O-112 is like finding a needle in a Haystack... And quite a nice one at that! Does this one have the die chip in the leg of R? From my notes, which R, there are three to look at. Mike
...my 1826 O-112', R5 (Prime) is one of my crusty, original Busties. There as "ton" of luster around the edge devices. Too bad this cannot be seen in the scan taken by my old flat-bed scanner.
Yes, there is a very tiny die chip in the lower right leg of the R of LIBERTY. You can barely see it in my scan. (I chose not to add a red arrow, 'cause you know what the R in LIBERTY looks like. Yuk. Yuk.)
There is no filled N or S. (The little white spots on the coin are dust mites on my scanner's glass.)
(Mozin: before you ask. That is a "shadow" in the upper part of the N. It is NOT filled. Ed)
This is one that is missing from the sub-variety list. 1826, O-111a, R2.
For the obverse, Overton states: "Additional die cracks - Same as 7 -s2 except for an additional die crack extending edge to edge horizontally across top of cap."
This crack shows quite well on this piece.
For the reverse Overton states: "Same as K except for a die crack curving below MERICA to arrowhead."
This crack does not show very well in the image because it is very light - but it is there.
I haven't seen a 109a yet, does anyone have one? Also, what about a 111 per Overton? I am certain it doesn't exist because the obverse die began breaking up during coining of 110, so we are also missing a 110a. How about a 114' without the filled N?
You ask: "I haven't seen a 109a yet, does anyone have one? Also, what about a 111 per Overton? I am certain it doesn't exist because the obverse die began breaking up during coining of 110, so we are also missing a 110a. How about a 114' without the filled N?"
By the numbers:
1826 O-109a. Not listed in Overton or Herrman's AMBPR. I don't have it.
For others, here are the later die states of the O-109 die marriage:
Late Die State (LDS): A crack from star 9 to star 12 across bottom of curls to upper part of 26.
Very Late Dis State (VLDS): An additional die crack from edge through cap to between R and T of LIBERTY, dividing into two short cracks ending at curl below headband.
******* 1826 O-111 per Overton? Not me. My coin has the die crack running from edge to edge horizontally across the top of the cap.
******** The 1826 O-110a? This is not in Overton, but it is in Herrman's AMBPR. This coin has the obverse die cracks per (just like) the O-111 in the Overton book. Nope. I don't have it.
Slumlord98: Does this mean the O-110a also has the die crack from edge to edge horizonally across the top of the cap? I was never clear on this.
******** The 1826 O-114 without the filled N? My coin has the filled N. A tiny fill, but it's there.
<< <i>Does this mean the O-110a also has the die crack from edge to edge horizonally across the top of the cap? I was never clear on this. >>
Yep. It isn't obvious on lower grade 111s but it's there. When I was researching the discovery and possible remarriage of 110/111, a member from Punksatawney, PA sent me a 111 that he said was missing the crack above the cap, but close inspection revealed it was present, but light (possibly lapped) and other cracks were more advanced, indicating that there was no remarriage.
Sorry slumlord98 and Edmerlr, I have none of the requested die states. Perhaps someone else will dig through their Busties and find some we need to show.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Slumlord & Edmerlr I have some notes on the 110a... I forget where they came from, I don't record sources. 110 "a" model R-7, Obv. breaks per 111a. One crack from star 1 thru 7, another thru to 182 to lower curl and star 12 thru 10. Another above the cap which is heavy on the left and light on the right.
Regarding 109a, unlist in either reference. Wouldn't a VLDS of 109 be considered an "a"?
<< <i>Wouldn't a VLDS of 109 be considered an "a"? >>
I don't use "a" to denote later state coins. Overton's die state info is often so vague and contradictory as to be counterproductive. Neither Al nor Don ever gave a whit about die states, and those listed in the 3rd ed. were placed in order to address the flood of mail w/queries about 'since my coin has a crack 2mm longer, does that make it a new variety?' Both Al and Don were well aware that many more die states existed than were addressed in their books and it is up to current students of the series to address these issues.
For the preturb die state study (a currently stalled project due to my own ineptitude) we use 101.1, 101.2, 101.3, etc. This allows greater flexibility to adapt and will avoid subsequent confusion for those wedded to Overton for current die state info, right Ed?
If someone is more computer literate thatn I am (a detectable pulse is the first criterion) I need help moving info from Notepad and Works to Excel.
SGFM, that info re 110 is from the sale of my coin.
Slumlord, Well what do you know, I take good notes but just don't note from where. I do try to keep on my toes when I run across interesting die states!
Slumlord you're SOL from here in your tranferring your files, I don't have Excel, so no help. But I would if I could.
The added numerial system would seem to unravel the alphabet, right Ed? The non-voweled abbreviation, is all right, you just need to keep it close at hand in it's definition!!! Mike
Like perhaps Slumlord98, SomeGuyFromMichigan, Mozin, et al, I take copious notes.
Unfortunately there is only so much room on my desk to spread out the paperwork. I end up taking notes on scratch paper, the bottom of other pieces of paper under unrelated subjects, on napkins under my coke can, etc.
My intent is to transfer my notes to my permanent records. This is done 25% of the time - if I can find the notes and can remember the subject of my notes when I gather them up every few days.
As a salvation, I am trying more and more to commit things to rote memory. The problem is the "Recall Quotient." Sometimes I have a problem recalling at least 10% of what I cannot remember.
I'll tell you, these pretty little round ladies with the busties - you know, the busties we constantly fondle, admire, and stare at - sure are worthless when it comes to being secretarys.
Well Ed you would surly have your hands full with ALL those secretarys. I take a lot of notes in an outline format. Using a regular sheet of paper and folding it in half you end up with 4 pages like a mini-booklet. They tuck easily in-between pages.... Just make sure you note what it is your writing about! Mike
OK, time to post my O-114 R4+. It is a recent upgrade.
edmerlr did a wonderful job covering the diagnostics of this marriage on the third page of this thread. Also, much like Ed's piece, the "N" is starting to "fill" on this example too - so no help with Slumlord98's request for an earlier example with a "naked" N.
Nice upgrade Edgar ! Now the filling of the "N". Die chip? It looks rather odd the way the the fill is rounded in the crook of the "N" and seems to spill over the edge.
Comments
Looks like O-101 R1. Time to buy the Overton book.
Well, here's my chance to become a contributing
member of the Bust half series!! Woot-Woot!!
Thanks to Ed R. for the attribution of my bustie
as an O-118a.
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
<< <i>jobiwan115,
Looks like O-101 R1. Time to buy the Overton book.
'Reckon so, mozin. I just completed a lengthy PM exchange with Ed (edmerlr) where he mentioned this. Thanks to both of you for all the Bustie info you share here - I for one, really appreciate it!
Joe G.
Great BST purchases completed with commoncents123, p8nt, blu62vette and Stuart. Great coin swaps completed with rah1959, eyoung429 and Zug. Top-notch consignment experience with Russ.
Welcome to our CU Capped Bust Half Dollar series. You have a nice looking Bustie to start your collection.
Two of the 1826 die states still missing are from the same die marriage. One is listed as the 1826 O-116 with a notation ("may not exist") and the other is the O-116a.
It is time to address these die states and a lengthy explanation is necessary to understand the situation.
When I first started collecting Bustie die states my goal was to collect the EDS and LDS as listed in the O/P book. At that time I only had the 3rd Edition. For a beginning die states collector with limited knowledge, no experience and no mentor, I did what every new collector does - I took the O/P book as the "Bible." What was in the book was gospel.
I anticipated no problems finding the 1826 O-116 or the O-116a. After all, they both were R1 coins and should be easy to find.
Quickly I was able to find an example of the O-116 die marriage. After a couple of years the O-116 and O-116a die states (per the 3rd Edition O/P book) eluded me. I could not find the die states with or without the diagnostic die cracks per the book.
The 3rd Edition states (briefly) for each die state concerning die cracks:
O-116:
Obverse: A die line near inner points of four segments just above star 7 may not show (be there). NO OBVERSE DIE CRACKS are listed. (On my coin below the die line is marked with green arrows.)
Reverse: NO REVERSE DIE CRACKS ARE LISTED.
O-116a:
Obverse: The die line may not show. There are two primary die cracks: (1) a fine die crack joins all stars on the left and runs to the milling above the cap and (2) a second die crack joins all stars on the right and runs to the milling above the cap. In addition, LDS coins have the left die crack extending across the bust and going thru the center of the date.
Reverse: A die crack encircles most of the reverse. (Red arrows on my coin below.)
After get frustrated and not finding these COMMON die states (per the book), I decided to ask the experts. The gentlemen that I asked are frequent Forum posters. (Slumlord98 and FEVER) Both gentlemen gave me their explanation for the "correct" diagnostics for the O-116 and O-116a. Unfortunately my "past, received and read, old e-mail filing system" is lacking I cannot find their explanations. ...but I do remember that their expanations were slightly DIFFERENT. ...and I do remember being just as confused after I read them as I was before I read them.
When I heard that a new 4th Edition O/P book was coming out, I eagerly awaited its arrival. SURELY any errors in the 1826 O-116 die marriage description would be corrected. Boy did I get more confused when I read the NEW description.
The 4th Edition states (briefly) for each die state concerning die cracks:
O-116:
Obverse: THE SAME explanation as the 3rd Edition. A die line near inner points of four segments just above star 7 may not show. NO OBVERSE DIE CRACKS are listed.
Reverse: DIFFERENT from the 3rd Edition. A die crack encircles most of the reverse.
O-116a:
Obverse: THE SAME explanation as the 3rd Edition. The die line may not show. Two primary die cracks: (1) a fine die crack joins all stars on the left and runs to the milling above the cap and (2) a second die crack joins all stars on the right and runs to the milling above the cap. In addition, LDS coins have the left die crack extending across the bust and going thru the center of the date.
Reverse: THE SAME explanation as the 3rd Edition. A die crack encircles most of the reverse.
IN BOTH EDITIONS
(1) A die crack is supposed to be at the right stars. I cannot find the O-116 DM with this die crack RUNNING THRU THE RIGHT STARS.
(2) Also I have not seen the O-116 DM with the die crack running across the bust and continuing thru the center of the date. (This die crack may exist, because the left star die crack on my coin DOES lead to the bust.)
Following is my example of the 1826 O-116 DM. I gave up long ago trying to figure out if it is the O-116 or the O-116a die state. In my collection it has been simply labeled "The 1826 O-116 die marriage."
You die state people are too exacting for me. Think I will stick to collecting only by marriage. I will record edmerlr's coin as O-116a.
Re:"...You die state people are too exacting for me. "
Actually they're not.... the confusion lies in O/P!
Time for a little flexibility, you have the facts at hand.
But don't get away from the point.
If there is ONE it may exist in the possible 1000+ examples
of O-116a or a mis-attributed 1826.
What was overlooked... here is the second state of the first use!
The O-115a model.
The obverse diagnostics for O-116 are found in O-115a.
But you won't find it in the O/P 4th!!!
This may just be one of those shuffled around and misplaced notes,
Either lost or found, it doesn't matter.
The facts are present just look!
Herrman's 1826 O-116 PCGS MS 62/62 B&M Smith/Youngman 03/03, was it? (common variety)
A single listing for this very common marriage? Again, was it?
Just above the same listing.
1826 O-115a R-6? Thin crack thru left stars.
First slide please....
Slumlord 98 brings this point up. RE:"...this obverse was previously used on O.115 and this is where the first obverse crack developed."
1826 O-115a, Second state of the first use of Obverse die 10 paired with Reverse K.
As in the easy difference of the two reverses, first "A" of States higher than second "T".
With Reverse O, "A" under "T".
Next is the die line and crack to rim from Star 7.
We see the crack on all left side's stars.
I found patches of rust in this "a" state, does your O-116a have them, ED?
Or were they lapped off at a later time.
I agree with Mozin's label of the O-116a.
So, is the primary die state for this 0-116a, the need to remove the "a" model and
just make it 0-116.
I just love a GOOD discussion on the Forum !...
Mike (SGFM)
Ah Stone, same number as mine, a few posts up!!
Cool beans!!
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
MB, what is your's greaded? Looks exactly like mine
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PCGS graded it at AU 50. The strike is a little weak, but
they must have liked the peripheral luster.
I know I do!!
~
"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
On the obverse the 8 & 2 are allmost joined, and the 6 appears higher.
On the reverse above and to the right of the eagles head is a die clash line. More of the die clash is shown at top of left wing and below the wing.
I have read though this post and the Overton book and still don't know what I have here.
BTW is is a PCGS Xf45 graded coin.
Your 1826 Bustie is O-109 R1. Nice example of XF45, possibly five points higher with NGC or ANACS.
Some diagnostics for 1826 O-109 R1:
Obverse: Star 1 is very close to drapery, and it points between dentils. Stars 8 & 9 are flatter than others. 82 is too close at top.
Reverse: AT is lightly joined, and AM is solidly joined. Centerline of stripe 2 extends upwards too far, and line 3 extends down almost to arrow shaft. I is centered under the left side of T.
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As the 2007 Holiday Season approaches, I am getting closer and closer to my goal of thinning out my Bustie collection.
Therefore, I wanted to take the lazy way out and show my 1826 obverses in their Dansco Album pages. (I have 15 more years of Busties in their Dansco pages to show. I will do this in the future as time and energy permits. Unless requested, my 1807 O-111a will never be shown - it is by far, my most unattractive, butt ugly coin.)
Here are the 1826's:
That O-112 is like finding a needle in a Haystack...
And quite a nice one at that!
Does this one have the die chip in the leg of R?
From my notes, which R, there are three to look at.
Mike
...my 1826 O-112', R5 (Prime) is one of my crusty, original Busties. There as "ton" of luster around the edge devices. Too bad this cannot be seen in the scan taken by my old flat-bed scanner.
Yes, there is a very tiny die chip in the lower right leg of the R of LIBERTY. You can barely see it in my scan. (I chose not to add a red arrow, 'cause you know what the R in LIBERTY looks like. Yuk. Yuk.)
There is no filled N or S. (The little white spots on the coin are dust mites on my scanner's glass.)
(Mozin: before you ask. That is a "shadow" in the upper part of the N. It is NOT filled. Ed)
Here is the coin:
For the obverse, Overton states: "Additional die cracks - Same as 7 -s2 except for an additional die crack extending edge to edge horizontally across top of cap."
This crack shows quite well on this piece.
For the reverse Overton states: "Same as K except for a die crack curving below MERICA to arrowhead."
This crack does not show very well in the image because it is very light - but it is there.
Edgar
Your set continues to amaze me. Very NICE, well-done, choice selections, etc., etc.
You make it look easy ...
Edgar
Thanks for filling in one of our missing die states. I think the last missing DS shown was September 12.
I really like the toning on your coin.
You ask: "I haven't seen a 109a yet, does anyone have one? Also, what about a 111 per Overton? I am certain it doesn't exist because the obverse die began breaking up during coining of 110, so we are also missing a 110a. How about a 114' without the filled N?"
By the numbers:
1826 O-109a. Not listed in Overton or Herrman's AMBPR. I don't have it.
For others, here are the later die states of the O-109 die marriage:
Late Die State (LDS): A crack from star 9 to star 12 across bottom of curls to upper part of 26.
Very Late Dis State (VLDS): An additional die crack from edge through cap to between R and T of LIBERTY, dividing into two short cracks ending at curl below headband.
*******
1826 O-111 per Overton? Not me. My coin has the die crack running from edge to edge horizontally across the top of the cap.
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The 1826 O-110a? This is not in Overton, but it is in Herrman's AMBPR. This coin has the obverse die cracks per (just like) the O-111 in the Overton book. Nope. I don't have it.
Slumlord98: Does this mean the O-110a also has the die crack from edge to edge horizonally across the top of the cap? I was never clear on this.
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The 1826 O-114 without the filled N? My coin has the filled N. A tiny fill, but it's there.
Regards,
Ed R.
<< <i>Does this mean the O-110a also has the die crack from edge to edge horizonally across the top of the cap? I was never clear on this. >>
Yep. It isn't obvious on lower grade 111s but it's there. When I was researching the discovery and possible remarriage of 110/111, a member from Punksatawney, PA sent me a 111 that he said was missing the crack above the cap, but close inspection revealed it was present, but light (possibly lapped) and other cracks were more advanced, indicating that there was no remarriage.
I forget where they came from, I don't record sources.
110 "a" model R-7,
Obv. breaks per 111a.
One crack from star 1 thru 7, another thru to 182 to lower curl
and star 12 thru 10.
Another above the cap which is heavy on the left and light on the right.
Regarding 109a, unlist in either reference.
Wouldn't a VLDS of 109 be considered an "a"?
You ask: "Regarding 109a, unlist in either reference.
Wouldn't a VLDS of 109 be considered an "a"? "
I guess it would depend on who's writing the next book. (5th Edition, if there ever is one.)
Scenario #1: The EDS is the O-109; the VLDS is the O-109a; ...and the LDS could be the IDS - boy is this awfully darn confusing.
Scenario #2: EDS = O-109; LDS = O-109a; VLDS = O-109b. ...could we get carried away with all these darn letters?
We'll see what the Lord of the Slums says: (aka slumlord98)
Ed
<< <i>Wouldn't a VLDS of 109 be considered an "a"? >>
I don't use "a" to denote later state coins. Overton's die state info is often so vague and contradictory as to be counterproductive. Neither Al nor Don ever gave a whit about die states, and those listed in the 3rd ed. were placed in order to address the flood of mail w/queries about 'since my coin has a crack 2mm longer, does that make it a new variety?' Both Al and Don were well aware that many more die states existed than were addressed in their books and it is up to current students of the series to address these issues.
For the preturb die state study (a currently stalled project due to my own ineptitude) we use 101.1, 101.2, 101.3, etc. This allows greater flexibility to adapt and will avoid subsequent confusion for those wedded to Overton for current die state info, right Ed?
If someone is more computer literate thatn I am (a detectable pulse is the first criterion) I need help moving info from Notepad and Works to Excel.
SGFM, that info re 110 is from the sale of my coin.
Edited to remove traces of illiteracy.
Well what do you know, I take good notes but just don't note from where.
I do try to keep on my toes when I run across interesting die states!
Slumlord you're SOL from here in your tranferring your files, I don't have Excel, so no help.
But I would if I could.
The added numerial system would seem to unravel the alphabet, right Ed?
The non-voweled abbreviation, is all right, you just need to keep it close at hand in it's definition!!!
Mike
Unfortunately there is only so much room on my desk to spread out the paperwork. I end up taking notes on scratch paper, the bottom of other pieces of paper under unrelated subjects, on napkins under my coke can, etc.
My intent is to transfer my notes to my permanent records. This is done 25% of the time - if I can find the notes and can remember the subject of my notes when I gather them up every few days.
As a salvation, I am trying more and more to commit things to rote memory. The problem is the "Recall Quotient." Sometimes I have a problem recalling at least 10% of what I cannot remember.
I'll tell you, these pretty little round ladies with the busties - you know, the busties we constantly fondle, admire, and stare at - sure are worthless when it comes to being secretarys.
Regards,
Ed R.
I take a lot of notes in an outline format.
Using a regular sheet of paper and folding it in half you end up with 4 pages like a mini-booklet.
They tuck easily in-between pages....
Just make sure you note what it is your writing about!
Mike
edmerlr did a wonderful job covering the diagnostics of this marriage on the third page of this thread. Also, much like Ed's piece, the "N" is starting to "fill" on this example too - so no help with Slumlord98's request for an earlier example with a "naked" N.
Edgar
1826, O-114, R4+
Gorgeous toning!
Now the filling of the "N".
Die chip?
It looks rather odd the way the the fill is rounded in the crook of the "N"
and seems to spill over the edge.
It's a keeper !
Mike
Original??? No.
Attractive??? I think so.
I was going to post the O-115a, but I saw I already did.
Your updated die state list.
1826 O-104 R3, 106 R3, 115a 6?, 116 R1, 117a R2
OKbustchaser says...Attractive??? I think so.
I agree!
Mike...
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Here is a 117a that I received not too long ago. MS-61 and nice original surfaces. Why only a 61? Got me.
Nice looking example.
This was a GREAT series of threads. I wish the pics were still available. Here's one I've added since then...118