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1830- The 7th in a series of Capped Bust Half Dollars- Show your busts
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This is the 7th in a series of informative picture threads covering the lettered edge Capped Bust Half Dollars from 1807-36 in reverse year order.
General guidelines:
1. Members can simply post pictures, or include pertinent information like Overton marriage and diagnostics, or just ask for information about their pictured coin from other members. Please keep picture file sizes within reason for dial up members.
2. Ultimately, we would like to see at least one example pictured for each Overton marriage.
3. Thread starts are only on Thursdays and Sundays.
Please look at the previously posted threads covering the years- 1836, 1835 , 1834
1833and 1832
* If anyone would like to see a current link to any previous years posted, please see CoinAddict's thread:Complete Series of Capped Bust Half Dollars -- Thanks Kyle
---- 1830----
The estimated mintage for 1830 bust halves is 4,764,800.Fifteen obverse and twenty reverse dies were used to produce twenty three varieties.
There are three different die variety 'groups' for 1830.The first is the small '0' in the date,which includes O-101
through O-118.The second group is a single variety,O-119,medium '0',which is a recut small '0'.
The last group is the large '0',O-120 through O-123.
The castaing or edge lettering dies were changed in 1830,adding grooves between the words.The edge lettering is a very interesting ,but often overlooked part of these coins.If anyone can get some good pics of these,I think that would add to this series.
My pics are not the best,but I think you can see the difference in the '0' in these pics.
Left to right:small 0,medium 0 large 0.
1830, O-103,small 0.R1. The easiest diagnostic point on this coin is on the reverse,the first S in 'states' is high,
the 'C' in America is low.
1830 O-119,Medium '0'.R1 . ' 0' is lightly recut on obv.On reverse,A1,the first 'A' in America,is filled at the top,and the horizontal portion of the shield is struck flat.
1830 O-122,Large 0.R1
General guidelines:
1. Members can simply post pictures, or include pertinent information like Overton marriage and diagnostics, or just ask for information about their pictured coin from other members. Please keep picture file sizes within reason for dial up members.
2. Ultimately, we would like to see at least one example pictured for each Overton marriage.
3. Thread starts are only on Thursdays and Sundays.
Please look at the previously posted threads covering the years- 1836, 1835 , 1834
1833and 1832
* If anyone would like to see a current link to any previous years posted, please see CoinAddict's thread:Complete Series of Capped Bust Half Dollars -- Thanks Kyle
---- 1830----
The estimated mintage for 1830 bust halves is 4,764,800.Fifteen obverse and twenty reverse dies were used to produce twenty three varieties.
There are three different die variety 'groups' for 1830.The first is the small '0' in the date,which includes O-101
through O-118.The second group is a single variety,O-119,medium '0',which is a recut small '0'.
The last group is the large '0',O-120 through O-123.
The castaing or edge lettering dies were changed in 1830,adding grooves between the words.The edge lettering is a very interesting ,but often overlooked part of these coins.If anyone can get some good pics of these,I think that would add to this series.
My pics are not the best,but I think you can see the difference in the '0' in these pics.
Left to right:small 0,medium 0 large 0.
1830, O-103,small 0.R1. The easiest diagnostic point on this coin is on the reverse,the first S in 'states' is high,
the 'C' in America is low.
1830 O-119,Medium '0'.R1 . ' 0' is lightly recut on obv.On reverse,A1,the first 'A' in America,is filled at the top,and the horizontal portion of the shield is struck flat.
1830 O-122,Large 0.R1
computer illiterate,becoming coin literate with the help of this forum.
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Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
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The word LIBERTY in the headband have been RECUT
the M in AMERICA is rotated such that the Left serif of M is higher than that of the A, and the R serif of M is lower than the E
AU58walkers,yours is O-123. R1. Large 0.Overton says late die states have a die crack on the obverse from stars
3 to 6,and from star 6 to the headband.Also the 0 leans left closer to the top of the 3.
TWODOGS,I'm having a hard time figuring yours out.I believe its O-108.R3.I'll let the experts
here give this one a shot.
<< <i>Would someone name the Overton marriage and diagnostics for this 1830, please?
Bill, I believe what you have there is the 'Large O' variety.
In particular, Overton 123, a later die state of Overton 123 showing a fine crack from stars 3-6 to the headband.
Here is an 1830 O-115 R2
It utilizes Obv 8 and Rev M
Some characteristics are:
Obv-3 in the date is lower than 180, the die is unfinished around the end of the bust with die defect lines at end of bust and left of the 1, and a raised lump on the neck next to the curl
Rev-Left sides of T and I in line, the 5 has an open loop and a short straight V top, the crossbars slant upward to the right.
Sorry for the slab scratches.
Yours looks like it could be the O-122
Is the O in OF on the reverse re-cut?
<< <i>Hey 1921obsession.
Yours looks like it could be the O-122
Is the O in OF on the reverse re-cut? >>
Like this?
The principal diagnostic is the close proximity of the D in United and S in States on the reverse. The S is way to the left of the P of Pluribus underneath it. Same reverse as the 1828, reverse S. Small "O" variety on the obverse.
I picked this one up on ebay because it combined relative rarity with such a pitiful condition, what with the hole and the graffiti. Like I said, if only this one could talk... If I ever upgrade, I'll probably still hang onto this one.
102 capped bust half dollars - 100 die marriages
BHNC #198
Quite a bit of work,especially for someone like me who is not the most computer skilled.
cut/paste.I am having fun with it though. Now back to ebay to see if I can add to the pile.
Some diagnostics for Small 0 1830 O-103 R1:
Obverse: Star 1 points to upper half of dentil. Stars have round blunt points. “3” is low. (Obverse shared with O-104 and O-105.)
Reverse: Upright of “5” is recut, showing at left. First “A” in “AMERICA” is recut showing at left. Die line from center arrowhead to dentils. First “S” in “STATES” is wide and high. “C” in “AMERICA” is low. Right sides of “I” and “T” in line.
Seriously, tho'- good series. Keep it up.
<< <i>My first real purchase, an O-118 if i'm not mistaken... My first attempt at pics too
couldn't get the pics to come up
Obverse
Reverse >>
Sure looks like you are correct on Small 0 1830 O-118 R3. If there is a crack from star 8 (Upper right) on down through star 11, you have a late die state.
Welcome to the CU forum.
Thanks for the welcome and help,
Mark
Thinking back on one of my first CBH purchases about 30 years ago, I spent $12 for an 1834 AU CBH. Seemed like a good deal---until I learned how badly it had been "improved".
This is a bust half you will not find in Overton. It is a contemporary counterfeit, attributed by Keith Davignon as his 2-B variety for counterfeit halves with this date.
The rendition of the design is somewhat laughable, and should not fool any collector. On the obverse, the "cut" into the hair where the lowest curl should be is diagnostic. The stars are irregularly spaced, and the "8" can probably be considered to be upside-down. On the reverse, the period after C is quite high, and the arrows point downward instead of upward. In addition, the legend is rather irregularly spaced, espeically with regards to vertical alignment. On the edge (not shown), IIRC, the N of CENTS is reversed. I'm sure someone can confirm my memory. Davignon lists this variety as "common."
Ed. S.
(EJS)
Thanks for doing a fine job on this 1830 CBH thread.
Here is another 1830 looking for attribution.
<< <i>mepot,
Thanks for doing a fine job on this 1830 CBH thread.
Here is another 1830 looking for attribution.
Contemporary Counterfeit. I love it!
<< <i>
<< <i>
Here is another 1830 looking for attribution.
Contemporary Counterfeit. I love it! >>
OK, here is some information on this coin.
Some diagnostics for Bogus 1830 3C (estimated 6-9):
Obverse: “0” is too high. Star 7 points too high, to the fold in the cap. Date is too small.
Reverse: “0” in “50C” is too high and leans right. “CA” too small.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Check for these diagnostics on O-115 R2:
Obverse: Star 1 points to lower edge of dentil. Die defect lines below and around end of bust. There may be a tiny die chip inside the "3" at its upper loop top end.
Reverse: Left sides of "I" & "T in line. Crossbars slant upwards to the right more than usual. Lines 1 & 2 of stripe 3, and line 2 of stripe 4 extend too far down.
Check out these diagnostics for 1830 O-106 R2:
Obverse: Star 1 points to lower edge of dentil. Star 7 points to lower half of dentil, and to center of headband, barely above curl-headband junction. Star 13 points high up on curl.
Reverse: The first two "A's" are mostly filled inside their tops. "50C" is very large, and very high. Tail of "C" in "50C" is split near its end. Right sides of "I" and "T" are in line.
Note: If yours is indeed the O-106, AND it has a die crack from the edge between stars 11 & 12, running to curls, you have the a-die state R4. This can be a very faint crack and still qualify for the late die state.
Some diagnostics for Small 0 1830 O-101 R1:
Obverse: Stars are sharp, and star 1 points between dentils.
Reverse: “A” in “STATES” is recut showing at left, its inside triangular space is partially filled at left, and second “T” is low. “50C” is well centered, and “5” has a straight top and open curl. Right side of “I” under left side of “T”.
Some diagnostics for Small 0 1830 O-105 R4:
Obverse: Star 1 points to upper half of dentil. Stars have round blunt points and they are drawn to edge. “3” is slightly low. (Same obverse as O-103 & 104.)
Reverse: “I” is centered under left side of “T”. “A” in “STATES” has a defect in its triangular center. The extra tall “M” is higher at base then “A” and “E”. Several crossbars show far into right wing. Right stand of “D” in line with left stand of “E”. (Same reverse as O-110 & O-112.)
Here's my 1830 / O-113 / R.2
Currently Listed: Nothing
Take Care, Dave
I think it is indeed O-113 R2, a marriage not yet shown in this thread.
Thanks Mozin, Please tell me more..."-)
From reading this thread...
It's a Small "O"...?
R2 = Reverse 2nd Die...?
O-113 = Not really sure, except the "O" is for Overton...
Main things I can pick out are...
Obverse... The "8" looks skinny...
Reverse... Both "A's" are filled in America & Die Crack...
I'm just getting into this Series, so Thanks for Sharing...
Is the Overton Book available at Book Stores/Amazon...?
Currently Listed: Nothing
Take Care, Dave
<< <i>Thanks Mozin, Please tell me more..."-)
From reading this thread...
It's a Small "O"...? Yes
R2 = Reverse 2nd Die...? Rarity 2 means between 501 and 1000 thought to still exist in this O-113 marriage.
O-113 = Not really sure, except the "O" is for Overton... Yes, the marriage was given this number by Al Overton and his Bust Half Dollar Nut friends prior to publishing his Bust Half book in 1967.
Main things I can pick out are...
Obverse... The "8" looks skinny...
Reverse... Both "A's" are filled in America & Die Crack... The filled "A's" are indeed diagnostic for this marriage.
I'm just getting into this Series, so Thanks for Sharing...
Is the Overton Book available at Book Stores/Amazon...? >>
Find EARLY HALF DOLLAR DIE VARIETIES third edition if you can. Likely you will need to settle for the fourth edition titled UNITED STATES EARLY HALF DOLLAR DIE VARIETIES by Don Parsley. Ebay usually has it for BIN $60. It is also available elsewhere.
One of these days I will post my 1830 O-113.
Thanks Mozin...
Well it took me an hour on the web but I found a copy of Overton's 3rd Edition and it's on the way...
Also got my 5 sets of 20th Ann. ASE today, so it's been a good day...
Great Thread Guys, Very Educational...
PS Mozin... Would love to see your 1930 O-113..."-)
Currently Listed: Nothing
Take Care, Dave
Some diagnostics for Small O 1830 O-113 R2:
Obverse: Star 1 points to upper edge of dentil. Date is close and low. “1” is high and wide. This specimen displays a double profile. (Obverse shared with O-114.)
Reverse: Small tine protrudes into field from left shoulder. A2 and A3 are usually filled inside top, and A1 is partially filled. Line 3 of stripe 5 extends through feathers and into field. “I” is centered below “T”.
The coin below is one my wife recently received as change at her job. She traded 2 quarters for it and its kind of been the driving force for us both getting back into coins. She gets plenty of silver coins over the years and a few nice coins (indian cents, wheaties, and a few liberty nickles), every once in a while.
I was wondering if you guys (and girls) could give me the Overton Marriage and diagnostics on this one. I was also wondering what you think it might grade out as. . . I was thinking something around VG7-10 area (but I'm VERY green at coin grading).
Thanks for listening and looking
As you can imagine I'm hooked now, and will be at FUN this Sunday.
Steve L.
P.S. I don't have a picture of the edge lettering but it is all legible
Welcome to the Capped Bust Half Dollar series.
Your coin looks like Small O O-110 R3, one that has not yet been listed in this thread.
Obverse: S1LE, S7UH-JCHb, S8UE, S13B. "18" is higher than "30". Star count starts on lower left and progresses clockwise. Reference is to the dentil position the star points.
Reverse: "I" is centered under the left side of "T". (Means under the left foot of "T".) "5" is tall and has a straight pointed top. Right side of "D" in line with left side of "E". Base of "M" is above base of "A" and "E".
Glad I could include something not yet posted toward the stated goal of this thread
Thanks again,
Steve L.
Some diagnostics for Small O 1830 O-116 R2:
Obverse: Star 1 points to lower edge of dentil. Star 7 points between dentils.
Reverse: Line 1 of stripe 1 extends upwards to third crossbar. Scroll ends below right side of left upright of “M”. “5” has a short straight pointed top. Right sides of “I” and “T” in line.
Mozin... Here's a 1830 / O-117 / R.2
Currently Listed: Nothing
Take Care, Dave
Some diagnostics for Small 0 1830 O-115 R2:
Obverse: Star 1 points to lower edge of dentil. There are numerous diagonal die lines below bust, from date to star 1. “3” is low. A raised elongated lump shows on neck, left of curl.
Reverse: Upper tail feather pierces the olive stem, forming a tiny knob. “5” has an open loop, and a short straight V-shaped top. Stripes and crossbars are sharply struck, and the crossbars slant upwards to the right. Lines 1 & 2 of stripe 3, and line 2 of stripe 4, extend too far down. Left sides of “I” and “T” are in line.