<< <i>The problem is that it is NOT ok for a black person to call a white person kracker or honky. That is obviously also racism. There are ways to fight racism other than being racist back.
The use of racism in any form is to support it.
And if any of your beliefs tend to be racist, they are much better kept to yourself and not expressed.
I am not saying this to anyone specifically on this board, I am just making the statement in general. >>
The thing is, some racist comments ARE acceptable in today's society, whereas they are totally unacceptable out of the mouths of a certain sector. Yes, racism is wrong in any form, but other's are labeled a racist, because they only combat otherwise, racial comments. I live near Detroit, and ANYtime I go down that way, I hear it all the time, even hear it in MY area. To sit and think that racial slurs are only spoken out of one sector of race, is totally bankrupt in thought, and said people are only retarded as to how it really is. Some people would just turn the other cheek and hope it is not like that, but in the real world, it is just like that! Tell me I am incorrect? If you say I am, especially because I agree with John Rocker on certain points, then you are about as blind and dumb as the liberal media thinks you are!
Think for yourself and not how any person or media tells you to think. Everyone has a right to their own views. But that doesnt mean you should express them unless you are of low moral character and insensitive.
edited to add: my use of the word "you" doesnt mean you specifically hardcorehockeyfan but "you" as anyone out there.
<< <i>Think for yourself and not how any person or media tells you to think. Everyone has a right to their own views. But that doesnt mean you should express them unless you are of low moral character and insensitive. >>
As I am sure most can get from my posts, I am not sensitive to others, nor am I politically correct at all. What is white is white, and what is black is black, and one has to be sensitive when the racial stuff comes from ONE sector, but it does NOT work that way from the other side. But when someone like myself points out the insensitive comments from the other side, I am forever labeled a racist! It IS the way it goes, and it will go like that forever! As long as you are sensitive to the double standard, then to each their own, but I will not stand by and let someone walk over me, as long as I am around, just because I am a "kracker," and my immigrant family members owned slaves 50 years before they came to the United States!
How quickly events fade into memory. The NBA is going to be very tough and going to be very quick to react to anything a fan does that might incite a player going into the stands. Throwing beer, racial taunts etc.are going to be dealt with harshly given what happened in Detroit. The NBA sent a message by banning this clown for a year and I don't think it has anything to do with this guying being Persian or whatever. They are wanting to avoid another scene like Detroit. To say its strickly a PR ploy misses the point.
Why do you think they call it "minority"? The largest group has the resources to control the situation. The minorities most always need protection in some form.
Can minorities exhibit racist prejudicial behavior? Most certainly. Can they do so in a manner that allows them to gain control of the racial majority? Usually not.
The question here is "do you feel that your particular race is superior to others?" The majority usually does or they would not take action to supress the minority.
Do minorities feel their race is superior? Usually not, their actions are a result of the attempts by the majority to control them.
"The term racism is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group that has the means to oppress others. The term can also apply to any individual or group, regardless of social status or dominance.
Racism can be both overt and covert. Individual racism sometimes consists of overt acts by individuals, which can result in violence or the destruction of property. Institutional racism is often more covert and subtle. It often appears within the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and frequently receives less public condemnation than the overt type."
, and if you live anywhere next to a city, such as Detroit, anyone without any blindness can see the BS that comes out of that rat breeding ground!
That is a complete 180 from previous posts where you chastised people for even thinking that Detroit was a dirt bag of a city.
Or the time when rioting was talked about here after sporting events there.
Toiletbowl I think you are being hypocritical here.
I also think you need to take a class in geography too.
As for the 'mr english' comment you have on more then one occasion corrected other people. I know you did it to me. You even went so far as to claim you never made spelling mistakes.
Just being a hypocrit I guess.
I will not even address your racist comments, they are beneath reply.
Hey moron, say it again and we're going to have a REAL issue. >>
Oh, it's okay for you to call my mom and sister (even though I don't have a sister) a ho, circumvent the bad word filter, derail every single thread, make threats of physical violence and in some cases wishing death upon posters, and such but I can't call you a racist based upon your post:
<< <i>The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said. >>
That's the most racist comment I've ever seen on the boards. To use your overused phrase, "if the shoe fits"...
Racist.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake.
You do and I'll never call you a racist for that remark ever again.
If you don't, well... That just proves you are a racist.
It's just that easy.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>BTW, John Rocker is NOT my hero as you think he is, but his thoughts are my thoughts almost to the tee. >>
Wow, and I thought Tinkerbell's comments were racist
“I know Hank [ Aaron ] and Jackie [ Robinson ] took a good deal of crap, but I guarantee it wasn't for six years. I just keep thinking: How much am I supposed to take?”
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake.
You do and I'll never call you a racist for that remark ever again.
If you don't, well... That just proves you are a racist.
It's just that easy. >>
FWIW, I don't think that statement is racist. I think it's wrong, but not racist.
I can envision a scenerio where a fan's racially charged remarks at a sporting event would be considered more (or less) serious based on the racial make up of the league's athletes. That doesn't seem like a stretch to me. If, for instance, if Bill Parcells had been coach of the U.S. Karate team instead of an NFL team I think there's an excellent chance his 'jap play' bit would have gotten more heat from the overseers of the league. But in any event, what's racist about the Axtell's statement? The majority of NBA players are, in fact, black, so that can't be it. And like I said, the fact that the race of the players in the league may have factored into the decision doesn't in any way suggest that blacks are inferior-- and that, at it's core, is what racism is all about.
With that said, I don't think Axtell is correct. The racial make-up of the NBA did not, IMO, play a role here. When Chris Simon went off on Anson Carter (at least I think it was Carter) with a racial slur in an NHL game justice was meeted out swiftly and harshly, even though blacks make up only a small % of NHL players. The United States treats ANY remark that could even be theoretically construed as racist with total hysteria, so I don't think this kind of sanction would be limited to the NBA.
Oh, as an aside-- hardcorehockey fan, you're a moron. An overwhelming number of 1st generation immigrants never learn how to speak English. You're from Detroit, so you should know as well as anyone that there were Hungarian and Polish ghettos in Detroit up untill the late '50's where all kinds of people never had a firm command on the English language. In fact, I'll bet most of us here have an ancestor who got off the boat at Ellis Island and spoke at best broken English until the day they died. As long as people come here to work hard and build a better life for themselves neither you nor anyone else should spout off with some ill-informed opinion about how they should live their lives. It's AMERICA, which most of us like to think is still, in principle, a FREE COUNTRY. If someone wants to learn to speak English, great. If they don't, that's one of the perogatives that they should enjoy by virtue of the fact that they live in a free society.
<< <i> As I am sure most can get from my posts, I am not sensitive to others, nor am I politically correct at all. What is white is white, and what is black is black, and one has to be sensitive when the racial stuff comes from ONE sector, but it does NOT work that way from the other side. But when someone like myself points out the insensitive comments from the other side, I am forever labeled a racist! It IS the way it goes, and it will go like that forever! As long as you are sensitive to the double standard, then to each their own, but I will not stand by and let someone walk over me, as long as I am around, just because I am a "kracker," and my immigrant family members owned slaves 50 years before they came to the United States! >>
I think this is about the 10th time I have witnessed toilet face profess how "insensitive" and "non politically correct" he thinks he is. Newsflash toilet! WHO THE FUC$ CARES ???? Talk about being full of oneself
<< <i> Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake. >>
IT WASN'T A RACIST COMMENT YOU SIMPLE MINDED REJECT.
It's a fact...and the very fact you are blind to it speaks volumes about your ignorance.
I say, if you live in MY country, work in MY country, then you speak THE language of MY country!
earth to tolietbowl man Our country does not have a language. It has many. No law states that English is the language.
From the internet:
Although the United States currently has no official language, English has long been the de facto national language. English is spoken by about 82% of the population as a native language and nearly everyone in the United States uses it as a daily language. On May 18, 2006 the Senate voted on an amendment to an immigration reform bill that would declare English the national language of the United States.[1] The immigration reform bill itself, S. 2611, was passed in the Senate on May 25, 2006, and now has to go back to the House of Representatives in conference to make sure amendments are agreed upon
So bowlman, Habib does not have to tell you the amount in English. I for one though think you are full of it though as many of those businessman do in fact speak english.
So bowlman, Habib does not have to tell you the amount in English. I for one though think you are full of it though as many of those businessman do in fact speak english.
Steve >>
Full Name Republic of India Area 3,287,590 sq. km
Population 1,045,845,226 (2002) Capital City New Delhi People Indian
Religion Secular state. Hindu 80%, Muslim 14%, Christian 2.4%, Sikh 2%, Buddhist 0.7%, Jain 0.5%, Zoroastrian and others 0.4%
Language 18 official languages, 1652 dialects. English is widely spoken.
Most pretend they dont speak English when they give you the wrong change
<< <i> Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake. >>
IT WASN'T A RACIST COMMENT YOU SIMPLE MINDED REJECT.
It's a fact...and the very fact you are blind to it speaks volumes about your ignorance.
Now, GTFO out of here and let the adults talk. >>
Oh it wasn't?
Go up to an African-American, tell him exactly what you said, and then let us know his reaction.
I bet you will be drinking your food through a straw for a couple of months.
Dope.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i> Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake. >>
IT WASN'T A RACIST COMMENT YOU SIMPLE MINDED REJECT.
It's a fact...and the very fact you are blind to it speaks volumes about your ignorance.
Now, GTFO out of here and let the adults talk. >>
Oh it wasn't?
Go up to an African-American, tell him exactly what you said, and then let us know his reaction.
I bet you will be drinking your food through a straw for a couple of months.
Dope. >>
If you agree that a racist is 'a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others' (I took this def. from an online dictionary), then I don't see how Axtell's remarks could be seen as furthering this viewpoint.
Hey WP, with respects to my past comments about rioting after a championship in the city, I never said it did NOT happen back in the 80s. Since the 80s, there have been 3 Stanley Cups, another basketball championship, and two NCAA titles to boot (Michigan football and MSU basketball). There was NOT any rioting when those championships were won, only problems were minor offenses by drunken fools. I have also in the past, commented on the fact that the country sees Detroit as the "Murder Capital," but there is not anything different in the city of Detroit, as there is in any other major urban area. Just because I can point out those facts, does not mean the city is not a rat infested gutter. Nobody goes to downtown Detroit anymore, unless there is some event happening, or they want to go to one of the casinos. Before the riots in the 60s, surburbanites used to take trips to Detroit, and make it a whole day thing to shop and hang out, but since, businesses pulled out. In my years on earth, I have seen 3 mayors of that city that I can think of, only one really worked his tail off to turn the city around, and he was out as fast as he got in. He wanted what was best for the city, instead of basing decisions on business relations with minority owners, and people there hated him for that! Michael Jackson and Don Bardon (last name may be incorrect) wanted a casino with a themepark, but that mayor denied them, and chose white businessmen instead, because it was much better for the city, and that pretty much sealed his fate!
Also WP, I live very close to one of the highest concentrations of Arabic populations outside of the Middle East, just run "Dearborn" in a search engine, and go from there. Often times, I am forced to fill up my gas at one of these businesses, or buy my Coca Cola from one of these businesses, and many many many, many many times, the person behind the counter does not even understand "hello." So being "full of it," not quite sonny!
Boopoots, I never said in any previous post in this thread, that I am against immigrants, nor did I say I am against being a "melting pot." But I am a firm believer in thinking, if you CHOOSE to live and work in this country, then you should try your hardest to speak the language that we speak, whether it is written in law or not. If you want to speak your own language, pray to your God in whatever way you choose, fine, but do it in your own household. There is a difference in trying your best to fit in, than not even giving a second thought about it! My fiancee emigrated with her father and sister from Italy, and in his house, he speaks Italian, but he also leaves Italian at the front door when he goes out in public, or when I am around! He is 100% against my political beliefs, yet he does agree with me on that!
Back on topic now, the man who called Mutombo a "monkey," was indeed out of line, and his so-called punishment is just. But one could ask, if he called a white player a racist name, would he have received the same? Seems as if this whole world is full of sensitive people, full of double standards. How come one has to call someone an African-American, Arab-American, or Whatever-American, if we are all citizens, American should be suffice. Where is the political correctness when in reference to myself, I am called white. What if I want to be called a Caucasian-American? Oh wait, someone would call me a racist for that!
My dad died when I was a freshman in high school, I was denied financial aid for college, and my mom worked as a cashier. How come I could not go to the UNCF for help? There are white people who want to go to college just as badly as others, but also cannot afford it. But if there was a college fund organization for well, white people, there would be backlashes and outcries from millions. My mom also sought welfare benefits the year after his passing, because she was low on money because she had to pay taxes out of her arse. She was denied those also, even though she had 3 dependant children at the time. The money I made working that year practically went to help her out. But when Katrina struck, I saw a whole city cry and moan about what the government owes them! Welfare should not be a way of life, it should ONLY be there for people who are down on their luck for a small window of time, but where was the help when my mother needed it? It was not there, three kids in high school had to go without medical insurance for a few years, because that was a $500 monthly bill that saved my mother some money. I have seen those forms, how can they ask your race? To believe it is only for statistical purposes is a crock! And I often see those using their Bridge Cards (dunno bout other states, but it is like a welfare credit card in Michigan) to pay for some groceries, but surely have the extra cash on hand to buy alcohol and cigarettes. I have worked a few crap jobs in my time, and when offered overtime, I jumped on it, but I saw black coworkers turn it down, because it may put them over their allowable salary limits, that would reduce their benefits.
The society we live in is wrought with double standards and hypocrisy, only very few have any guts to point it out! I am called a racist, because I can point out facts that are based on what I have experienced personally, as well as what I read and hear in newspapers and on the news all the time. Racism is wrong in any form, but too many people turn the other way, when it is utterly obvious right in front of you. I have been called a honky or kracker on many occasions, too numerous to count, whether at a sporting event, a club, or in the city. I went downtown the first game of the World Series a couple weeks back, and a homeless man called me a "racist honky," because I would not spare a dollar, that is the last time I can think of. I only replied to him, "yup, but I am one with a dollar!" I never once in my life, ever spouted out the N-word in a racial slur, sure I have said it, but I liked rap music in the early 90s. So the way I see it, one demographic would be condemned to hell by society for anything resembling racism, yet others can get away with pretty much anything they choose! And to say I am wrong, is just blind to reality!
<< <i>Hey WP, with respects to my past comments about rioting after a championship in the city, I never said it did NOT happen back in the 80s. Since the 80s, there have been 3 Stanley Cups, another basketball championship, and two NCAA titles to boot (Michigan football and MSU basketball). There was NOT any rioting when those championships were won, only problems were minor offenses by drunken fools. I have also in the past, commented on the fact that the country sees Detroit as the "Murder Capital," but there is not anything different in the city of Detroit, as there is in any other major urban area. Just because I can point out those facts, does not mean the city is not a rat infested gutter. Nobody goes to downtown Detroit anymore, unless there is some event happening, or they want to go to one of the casinos. Before the riots in the 60s, surburbanites used to take trips to Detroit, and make it a whole day thing to shop and hang out, but since, businesses pulled out. In my years on earth, I have seen 3 mayors of that city that I can think of, only one really worked his tail off to turn the city around, and he was out as fast as he got in. He wanted what was best for the city, instead of basing decisions on business relations with minority owners, and people there hated him for that! Michael Jackson and Don Bardon (last name may be incorrect) wanted a casino with a themepark, but that mayor denied them, and chose white businessmen instead, because it was much better for the city, and that pretty much sealed his fate!
Also WP, I live very close to one of the highest concentrations of Arabic populations outside of the Middle East, just run "Dearborn" in a search engine, and go from there. Often times, I am forced to fill up my gas at one of these businesses, or buy my Coca Cola from one of these businesses, and many many many, many many times, the person behind the counter does not even understand "hello." So being "full of it," not quite sonny!
Boopoots, I never said in any previous post in this thread, that I am against immigrants, nor did I say I am against being a "melting pot." But I am a firm believer in thinking, if you CHOOSE to live and work in this country, then you should try your hardest to speak the language that we speak, whether it is written in law or not. If you want to speak your own language, pray to your God in whatever way you choose, fine, but do it in your own household. There is a difference in trying your best to fit in, than not even giving a second thought about it! My fiancee emigrated with her father and sister from Italy, and in his house, he speaks Italian, but he also leaves Italian at the front door when he goes out in public, or when I am around! He is 100% against my political beliefs, yet he does agree with me on that!
Back on topic now, the man who called Mutombo a "monkey," was indeed out of line, and his so-called punishment is just. But one could ask, if he called a white player a racist name, would he have received the same? Seems as if this whole world is full of sensitive people, full of double standards. How come one has to call someone an African-American, Arab-American, or Whatever-American, if we are all citizens, American should be suffice. Where is the political correctness when in reference to myself, I am called white. What if I want to be called a Caucasian-American? Oh wait, someone would call me a racist for that!
My dad died when I was a freshman in high school, I was denied financial aid for college, and my mom worked as a cashier. How come I could not go to the UNCF for help? There are white people who want to go to college just as badly as others, but also cannot afford it. But if there was a college fund organization for well, white people, there would be backlashes and outcries from millions. My mom also sought welfare benefits the year after his passing, because she was low on money because she had to pay taxes out of her arse. She was denied those also, even though she had 3 dependant children at the time. The money I made working that year practically went to help her out. But when Katrina struck, I saw a whole city cry and moan about what the government owes them! Welfare should not be a way of life, it should ONLY be there for people who are down on their luck for a small window of time, but where was the help when my mother needed it? It was not there, three kids in high school had to go without medical insurance for a few years, because that was a $500 monthly bill that saved my mother some money. I have seen those forms, how can they ask your race? To believe it is only for statistical purposes is a crock! And I often see those using their Bridge Cards (dunno bout other states, but it is like a welfare credit card in Michigan) to pay for some groceries, but surely have the extra cash on hand to buy alcohol and cigarettes. I have worked a few crap jobs in my time, and when offered overtime, I jumped on it, but I saw black coworkers turn it down, because it may put them over their allowable salary limits, that would reduce their benefits.
The society we live in is wrought with double standards and hypocrisy, only very few have any guts to point it out! I am called a racist, because I can point out facts that are based on what I have experienced personally, as well as what I read and hear in newspapers and on the news all the time. Racism is wrong in any form, but too many people turn the other way, when it is utterly obvious right in front of you. I have been called a honky or kracker on many occasions, too numerous to count, whether at a sporting event, a club, or in the city. I went downtown the first game of the World Series a couple weeks back, and a homeless man called me a "racist honky," because I would not spare a dollar, that is the last time I can think of. I only replied to him, "yup, but I am one with a dollar!" I never once in my life, ever spouted out the N-word in a racial slur, sure I have said it, but I liked rap music in the early 90s. So the way I see it, one demographic would be condemned to hell by society for anything resembling racism, yet others can get away with pretty much anything they choose! And to say I am wrong, is just blind to reality! >>
I would just like to add that this is total BS. I live in Detroit as well, and there are basically NO Arabic gas station owners or employees in the Metro area who 'don't understand English'. Trust me on this.
<< <i> I would just like to add that this is total BS. I live in Detroit as well, and there are basically NO Arabic gas station owners or employees in the Metro area who 'don't understand English'. Trust me on this. >>
Oh I trust you.
hardcorehockeyfan is simply a victim of his own ignorance.
We must all have pity on him...he struggles so hard, yet he still gets ignored by the Arabic gas station attendant. See, those Arabic gas station attendants do indeed understand what hardcorehockeyfan is saying, they just don't respond to him
It sounds like Hardcorehockeyguy has a lot of pent up anger towards minorities for some reason.
When you drag "UNCF," non-english speaking gas attendents, "Murder capital," and talk about how black people don't like working over-time in a Dikembe Mutombo fan taunting post, it's obvious you have issues dealing with people of other races.
My question is, if you're that miserable having to live with people of different ethnicities around your hometown of Detroit/Dearborne?, why not move?
I dunno, I can sympathize w HCHF, I too was raised by a single mom who had to riase two kids by herself, and the fact is there were opportunities denied her because of her race (white). To me, that is racisim. And if someone tried to start a "white kids only' collage fund? Oh my...
<< <i>It sounds like Hardcorehockeyguy has a lot of pent up anger towards minorities for some reason.
When you drag "UNCF," non-english speaking gas attendents, "Murder capital," and talk about how black people don't like working over-time in a Dikembe Mutombo fan taunting post, it's obvious you have issues dealing with people of other races.
My question is, if you're that miserable having to live with people of different ethnicities around your hometown of Detroit/Dearborne?, why not move? >>
BigHurt, why not go and see the text that "UNCF" and "Murder Capital" were used in. National media blew out of proportion how Detroit is, as compared to any other major urban city, and that was in response to WP's comments about defending the city in the past. I also do not live IN Detroit, nor do I live IN Dearborn, I live IN the Detroit AREA, and contrary to what Boopoots says, there are many times that saying one spoken word of english to any attendants behind a counter is a waste of breath, I did NOT say ALL THE TIME. Boopoots, perhaps you should take some trips out to the Macomb/St. Clair county borders, heck, even a few trips in St. Clair Shores where I grew up can further my points even more! And why should I have to move, what if I cannot find another job, it is not like I can seek welfare benefits should I quit my job and be unable to pay my bills!
The UNCF, so that is NOT a racist organization? In the title itself, basically narrows it down who can seek the help. Why can there not be college funds set up for ALL races? Wait, I forgot, for myself, a college fund was called "Scholarship," or "GI Bill," since I had every advantage in life. I got no scholarship for my good grades, so it narrowed down where I had to go! In Michigan, we had a proposal on the ballot to ban Affirmative Action, and I voted to ban it, so that makes me a racist also, correct? According to the NAACP and many on these boards, I would be! There is also a provision to the constitution that stops discrimination based on race, sex, etc, etc, so that should already make Affirmative Action an outdated policy.
Too many people in this country cry, saying that "there should be no segregation, and everyone should live together," but certain RACIST organizations and programs further separate everyone from being equal! Oh wait, no, everything is perfect, there is no such thing as a DOUBLE STANDARD in this country! And my ancestors owned slaves too, when the first member of my family stepped foot on U.S. soil, slavery was abolished for 50 years!
Edited to add: if there is any pent up frustrations in myself, it is not racism, it is the obvious double standards that this country allows!
<< <i>I dunno, I can sympathize w HCHF, I too was raised by a single mom who had to riase two kids by herself, and the fact is there were opportunities denied her because of her race (white). To me, that is racisim. And if someone tried to start a "white kids only' collage fund? Oh my... >>
I didn't exactly grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth, so I can certainly empathize with others who had it rough growing up. But to think all black people are lazy because they didn't volunteer for over-time at some menial job I once held a long time ago? And what exactly does a gas station attendent not speaking english have to do with Dikembe Mutombo again?
<< <i>I dunno, I can sympathize w HCHF, I too was raised by a single mom who had to riase two kids by herself, and the fact is there were opportunities denied her because of her race (white). To me, that is racisim. And if someone tried to start a "white kids only' collage fund? Oh my... >>
I didn't exactly grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth, so I can certainly empathize with others who had it rough growing up. But to think all black people are lazy because they didn't volunteer for over-time at some menial job I once held a long time ago? And what exactly does a gas station attendent not speaking english have to do with Dikembe Mutombo again? >>
It has to do with a reference I made about John Rocker, how he is considered a racist, just because he made comments about a city that did not exactly give him any professional courtesy whatsoever! He now has "Speak English" shirts out, because he feels that same as I do, about how our American culture is slowly headed down the tube! And I did NOT say all black people are lazy, I made points as to how my mother could not get help when she needed it for a year, but there are people who will not work extra, because benefits would be reduced, and those people in MY experience, where black people. I have heard "it is free money," enough in my life that it plsses me off!
This whole thread went off topic, when Axtell made a truthful comment as to how his opinion on the deal is, and he was called a racist! I made honest points out of personal experiences, and I am sliced up as a racist too!
People who say they cannot make money, go to college, or that the government owes them, are just people who show no initiative in life. I busted my arse to get where I am at presently, and if other people would quit blaming everything on things other than themselves, this world would be a whole hell of a ton better!
<< <i>when Axtell made a truthful comment as to how his opinion on the deal is >>
A truthful comment about an opinion?
Well, my opinion is that he is a racist so I guess that's a truthful comment too.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>when Axtell made a truthful comment as to how his opinion on the deal is >>
A truthful comment about an opinion?
Well, my opinion is that he is a racist so I guess that's a truthful comment too. >>
It could also be truthful that it is said many times without any problems. And it can also be truthful that if it was another race involved, it would not even be a story for discussion. That does NOT make someone a racist!
<< <i>I dunno, I can sympathize w HCHF, I too was raised by a single mom who had to riase two kids by herself, and the fact is there were opportunities denied her because of her race (white). To me, that is racisim. And if someone tried to start a "white kids only' collage fund? Oh my... >>
I didn't exactly grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth, so I can certainly empathize with others who had it rough growing up. But to think all black people are lazy because they didn't volunteer for over-time at some menial job I once held a long time ago? And what exactly does a gas station attendent not speaking english have to do with Dikembe Mutombo again? >>
It has to do with a reference I made about John Rocker, how he is considered a racist, just because he made comments about a city that did not exactly give him any professional courtesy whatsoever! He now has "Speak English" shirts out, because he feels that same as I do, about how our American culture is slowly headed down the tube! And I did NOT say all black people are lazy, I made points as to how my mother could not get help when she needed it for a year, but there are people who will not work extra, because benefits would be reduced, and those people in MY experience, where black people. I have heard "it is free money," enough in my life that it plsses me off!
This whole thread went off topic, when Axtell made a truthful comment as to how his opinion on the deal is, and he was called a racist! I made honest points out of personal experiences, and I am sliced up as a racist too!
People who say they cannot make money, go to college, or that the government owes them, are just people who show no initiative in life. I busted my arse to get where I am at presently, and if other people would quit blaming everything on things other than themselves, this world would be a whole hell of a ton better! >>
I'm sorry your personal experiences with minorities has tainted your view towards the millions of other minorities in the country.
This might come as a shock to you, but just because you have one white friend who might be an a--hole, it doesn't mean all white people are a--holes.
Thing that sucks though, white people who voice their opinions tend to be considered a-holes! If they are not considered a-holes, then they are considered racists!
Edited to add: am I allowed to consider Jesse Jackson a racist a-hole? Or will that make me a racist?
<< <i>Thing that sucks though, white people who voice their opinions tend to be considered a-holes! If they are not considered a-holes, then they are considered racists!
Edited to add: am I allowed to consider Jesse Jackson a racist a-hole? Or will that make me a racist? >>
the reason I thought Axtell's comment was, ahhh not proper was how he said it. he said.............the only reason the guy got into trouble for saying monkey was because the NBA is mostly black. emphasis on 'the only reason' and while that in and of itself may not be racist it sure as heck was improper. JMO
<< <i>the reason I thought Axtell's comment was, ahhh not proper was how he said it. he said.............the only reason the guy got into trouble for saying monkey was because the NBA is mostly black. emphasis on 'the only reason' and while that in and of itself may not be racist it sure as heck was improper. JMO
hardcore the more you say the deeper you get.
Steve >>
Deeper how? Some people on the internet who I will never meet or befriend in real life, will think I am a bad guy and a racist, just because of how they take truthful comments in a text format on a message board. Perhaps the CU people will think I am a racist, and ban me from posting, oh jeez, what would I do then? It is not like there are not 100,000 other message boards in cyberspace! What would I do with my time then?
<< <i>the reason I thought Axtell's comment was, ahhh not proper was how he said it. >>
WP,
the only reason you felt it not 'proper' was because *I* said it...you couldn't care less what I say, all you care about is disagreeing with me, and raising a stink.
Why don't you just grow up and shut your damn yap once in a while?
<< <i>Thing that sucks though, white people who voice their opinions tend to be considered a-holes! If they are not considered a-holes, then they are considered racists!
Edited to add: am I allowed to consider Jesse Jackson a racist a-hole? Or will that make me a racist? >>
I do think there is some truth to this. Our country really needs to grow up when it comes to the issues of race, and quit handling it with kid gloves. Blacks have some legitimate gripes about White Americans (in the aggregate), but on the same token whites, I believe, have some legitimate gripes with Black Americans (again, in the aggregate). As long as we don't feel comfortable discussing these issues they will continue to fester.
the only reason you felt it not 'proper' was because *I* said it...you couldn't care less what I say, all you care about is disagreeing with me, and raising a stink.
Really? I was answering Boo. And I will reply regarding you whenever i want. Why don't you practice what you preach and shut up up yourself.
Fyi. The reason I felt it was improper was because you did in fact say it. Joe Blow could have said it for all that it mattered. It was though, FACT that you did.
And as for disagreeing with you, when have you ever agreed with anything that I have said? Or for that matter what anyone ever says. You are the epitome of the guy that just loves to argue (with everyone) Not sure if you noticed it but you are always the common denominator whenever a flame is going on. It is always YOU and someone else. So stop playing the victim here, no one is buying it.
<< <i> Fyi. The reason I felt it was improper was because you did in fact say it. >>
Thanks for verifying that.
<< <i>And as for disagreeing with you, when have you ever agreed with anything that I have said? Or for that matter what anyone ever says. You are the epitome of the guy that just loves to argue (with everyone) Not sure if you noticed it but you are always the common denominator whenever a flame is going on. It is always YOU and someone else. So stop playing the victim here, no one is buying it. >>
haha now you're using the 'epitome' word (I'm glad you looked it up after I used it). And who's playing victim, moron? I simply said you get your panties wet when you have a chance to disagree with me, dipchit.
<< <i>the only reason you felt it not 'proper' was because *I* said it...you couldn't care less what I say, all you care about is disagreeing with me, and raising a stink.
Really? I was answering Boo. And I will reply regarding you whenever i want. Why don't you practice what you preach and shut up up yourself.
Fyi. The reason I felt it was improper was because you did in fact say it. Joe Blow could have said it for all that it mattered. It was though, FACT that you did.
And as for disagreeing with you, when have you ever agreed with anything that I have said? Or for that matter what anyone ever says. You are the epitome of the guy that just loves to argue (with everyone) Not sure if you noticed it but you are always the common denominator whenever a flame is going on. It is always YOU and someone else. So stop playing the victim here, no one is buying it.
Steve >>
I did not find what Axtell said as anything racist, nor do I believe what I said makes me a racist. Racism is fine in some levels, as long as it is ONLY a one way street, and do not try to tell me I am misinformed. As Boopoots said, that it appears nobody feels comfortable talking about racial problems. Because I am white, I have no rights or purposes to say anything that other races have the right to say to me, albeit, directly or indirectly! If there is a racial comment directed towards a black person, then the feds have to be called and everyone wants to jump on that train and take it as far as possible. Yet, if a racial comment was directed towards me, I have to sit there and take it, because myself, my parents, my grandparents, and etc, oppressed them. I never oppressed a single person in my life, but I am grouped up into that crap, but I am labeled a racist, because I can point out the indifference in it all! The crap that went on during slavery, and all the crap that led up to the '60s sickens me, but enough is enough already, now everything is a double standard! I can speak about racial things to minorities who are around my age, but I have learned, to NEVER try to speak to the older generations about a single thing. The older people tend to have myself grouped up into those who were the racists in the past!
I may not be old as hell yet, but what I have learned in my time on earth, three things can never be debated, those are race related things, politics, and religion. Nobody is ever open to a peaceful debate about either, they ONLY want to shovel their crap down your throat, but can never listen to reason or different viewpoints! Tell me I am incorrect, because you do know I am not, you are only blind to reality!
with all due respect, you did say things that could be construed as insensitive. I'll leave it at that.
as for axtell. him saying "the ONLY REASON" that fan got banned is because the NBA is mainly black is at best improper at worst it was or can be read as racist too. Would it not be as bad had the NBA only 1 black in it? The guy refferred to Mutombo as a monkey, regardless if the NBA is mainly black, partially black or if he was the only black it still was a racist comment. The fact that Mutombo is black made it a racist comment, regardless of the skin color of the person saying it.
with all due respect, you did say things that could be construed as insensitive. I'll leave it at that.
as for axtell. him saying "the ONLY REASON" that fan got banned is because the NBA is mainly black is at best improper at worst it was or can be read as racist too. Would it not be as bad had the NBA only 1 black in it? The guy refferred to Mutombo as a monkey, regardless if the NBA is mainly black, partially black or if he was the only black it still was a racist comment. The fact that Mutombo is black made it a racist comment, regardless of the skin color of the person saying it.
Steve >>
My comments are only insensitive to those who are blind to the reality in those comments, I gave a no BS assumption of how things really are, and many were based on MY personal experiences! Should that fan have said what he said, NO, but I can see the point Axtell made! I have heard much much worse in the stands at a Lions game (what else is there for some drunks to do), as if there is ever a real game going on, well, 9 outta 10 games! I have heard worse at Pistons games also! The fan who said it, was NOT white either, but I saw how quick many said he was a white man. As I said earlier in this thread, and again, THIS IS NOT A RACIST COMMENT, but if that man is white, then his tan is dark! But if the same man or perhaps a black man, were to call Darko Milicec a kracker, would he have been levied the same punishment, if not being allowed to attend games is really a punishment?
<< <i>Racism is fine in some levels, as long as it is ONLY a one way street, and do not try to tell me I am misinformed. >>
And if you don't see the irony in that sentence, then yes, you are misinformed.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Fyi. The reason I felt it was improper was because you did in fact say it. Thanks for verifying that.
Not hard to do at all since you did say it. or are you twisting what i said and taking it out of context?
i see you using my 'wetting your panties line" axhole, for a guy that constantly chides others for using what other people say you sure do it alot yourself. I guess that goes along with being a hypocrite.
as for my use of the word "epitome" i did not need to look it up I do have a decent vocabulary. Or are you implying that you used it earlier in the day and ten minutes later i was? like that silly nonsense you tried to say the other day?
i see you have another flame or two going on with others as we speak so yes you were trying to play the victim.
i gave you my opinion as to why I and a few others thought what you said was racist/insensitive or whatever you want to call it. if you do not see what you said as wrong then you need help.
<< <i>Racism is fine in some levels, as long as it is ONLY a one way street, and do not try to tell me I am misinformed. >>
And if you don't see the irony in that sentence, then yes, you are misinformed. >>
Stown, do I have to spell out sarcasm to you? Ok, this is how it goes:
"Racism is fine if the person or persons who act or say the racial things, are of a minority demographic!"
For instance, if I called a black man the N-word, and said black man wanted to pursue things, I would have the media knocking on my door, and Jesse Jackson leading protest walks on my sidewalk, if he is paid to appear or looks better to the public to do so! If that led to a fight between said black man and myself, I would probably be in court on hate crime charges!
Now, if a black man called me a honky or kracker, or whatever term that can be considered racist, I just gotta suck it up and take it, because if I wanted to pursue things, I would be laughed at! If that led to a fight, we both would probably be in court on assault charges, but in no way, shape, or form, would it be construed as a hate crime!
I have a spare pair of contacts, I can send them to you Stown, if you are blind!
Also edited to add: I have also never called a black man the N-word, but have I said it, yes! As I said previously, I did like rap music in the early to mid '90s!
haha now you're using the 'epitome' word (I'm glad you looked it up after I used it).
When exactly did you use it axhole? are you klidding me? do you really think that i used it only cuz you did? if in fact that you did? fyi i used it before this time here.
you think you use a word and only you know about that word? are you that full of yourself?
<< <i> When exactly did you use it axhole? are you klidding me? do you really think that i used it only cuz you did? if in fact that you did? fyi i used it before this time here. >>
Wow, I can imagine you so furiously pounding out your response you make mistake after mistake...premature posting seems to be a problem for you.
<< <i>you think you use a word and only you know about that word? are you that full of yourself? >>
No, moron, but you have an interesting habit of hopping on whatever word, term, or phrase that everyone else is using in a desperate and pathetic attempt to fit in.
Ok so now we are down to finding a typo. You are pathetic. you really are. I notice that when you get schooled and can't offer up anything insightful to say you find a typo, call people names, and or then tell them how they are reacting to your replies. are you in fact describing exactly what you are doing?
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<< <i>The problem is that it is NOT ok for a black person to call a white person kracker or honky. That is obviously also racism. There are ways to fight racism other than being racist back.
The use of racism in any form is to support it.
And if any of your beliefs tend to be racist, they are much better kept to yourself and not expressed.
I am not saying this to anyone specifically on this board, I am just making the statement in general. >>
The thing is, some racist comments ARE acceptable in today's society, whereas they are totally unacceptable out of the mouths of a certain sector. Yes, racism is wrong in any form, but other's are labeled a racist, because they only combat otherwise, racial comments. I live near Detroit, and ANYtime I go down that way, I hear it all the time, even hear it in MY area. To sit and think that racial slurs are only spoken out of one sector of race, is totally bankrupt in thought, and said people are only retarded as to how it really is. Some people would just turn the other cheek and hope it is not like that, but in the real world, it is just like that! Tell me I am incorrect? If you say I am, especially because I agree with John Rocker on certain points, then you are about as blind and dumb as the liberal media thinks you are!
edited to add: my use of the word "you" doesnt mean you specifically hardcorehockeyfan but "you" as anyone out there.
<< <i>Think for yourself and not how any person or media tells you to think. Everyone has a right to their own views. But that doesnt mean you should express them unless you are of low moral character and insensitive. >>
As I am sure most can get from my posts, I am not sensitive to others, nor am I politically correct at all. What is white is white, and what is black is black, and one has to be sensitive when the racial stuff comes from ONE sector, but it does NOT work that way from the other side. But when someone like myself points out the insensitive comments from the other side, I am forever labeled a racist! It IS the way it goes, and it will go like that forever! As long as you are sensitive to the double standard, then to each their own, but I will not stand by and let someone walk over me, as long as I am around, just because I am a "kracker," and my immigrant family members owned slaves 50 years before they came to the United States!
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I say, if you live in MY country, work in MY country, then you speak THE language of MY country! >>
Interesting notion, since you have zero command of the English language.
-- Yogi Berra
Can minorities exhibit racist prejudicial behavior? Most certainly. Can they do so in a manner that allows them to gain control of the racial majority? Usually not.
The question here is "do you feel that your particular race is superior to others?" The majority usually does or they would not take action to supress the minority.
Do minorities feel their race is superior? Usually not, their actions are a result of the attempts by the majority to control them.
"The term racism is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group that has the means to oppress others. The term can also apply to any individual or group, regardless of social status or dominance.
Racism can be both overt and covert. Individual racism sometimes consists of overt acts by individuals, which can result in violence or the destruction of property. Institutional racism is often more covert and subtle. It often appears within the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and frequently receives less public condemnation than the overt type."
That is a complete 180 from previous posts where you chastised people for even thinking that Detroit was a dirt bag of a city.
Or the time when rioting was talked about here after sporting events there.
Toiletbowl I think you are being hypocritical here.
I also think you need to take a class in geography too.
As for the 'mr english' comment you have on more then one occasion corrected other people. I know you did it to me. You even went so far as to claim you never made spelling mistakes.
Just being a hypocrit I guess.
I will not even address your racist comments, they are beneath reply.
Steve
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You are a racist. >>
Hey moron, say it again and we're going to have a REAL issue. >>
Oh, it's okay for you to call my mom and sister (even though I don't have a sister) a ho, circumvent the bad word filter, derail every single thread, make threats of physical violence and in some cases wishing death upon posters, and such but I can't call you a racist based upon your post:
<< <i>The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said. >>
That's the most racist comment I've ever seen on the boards. To use your overused phrase, "if the shoe fits"...
Racist.
What about Rhode Island?
Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake.
You do and I'll never call you a racist for that remark ever again.
If you don't, well... That just proves you are a racist.
It's just that easy.
he would rather die first.
Steve
<< <i>BTW, John Rocker is NOT my hero as you think he is, but his thoughts are my thoughts almost to the tee. >>
Wow, and I thought Tinkerbell's comments were racist
“I know Hank [ Aaron ] and Jackie [ Robinson ] took a good deal of crap, but I guarantee it wasn't for six years. I just keep thinking: How much am I supposed to take?”
<< <i>I'll make a deal with you, Tinkerbell.
Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake.
You do and I'll never call you a racist for that remark ever again.
If you don't, well... That just proves you are a racist.
It's just that easy. >>
FWIW, I don't think that statement is racist. I think it's wrong, but not racist.
I can envision a scenerio where a fan's racially charged remarks at a sporting event would be considered more (or less) serious based on the racial make up of the league's athletes. That doesn't seem like a stretch to me. If, for instance, if Bill Parcells had been coach of the U.S. Karate team instead of an NFL team I think there's an excellent chance his 'jap play' bit would have gotten more heat from the overseers of the league. But in any event, what's racist about the Axtell's statement? The majority of NBA players are, in fact, black, so that can't be it. And like I said, the fact that the race of the players in the league may have factored into the decision doesn't in any way suggest that blacks are inferior-- and that, at it's core, is what racism is all about.
With that said, I don't think Axtell is correct. The racial make-up of the NBA did not, IMO, play a role here. When Chris Simon went off on Anson Carter (at least I think it was Carter) with a racial slur in an NHL game justice was meeted out swiftly and harshly, even though blacks make up only a small % of NHL players. The United States treats ANY remark that could even be theoretically construed as racist with total hysteria, so I don't think this kind of sanction would be limited to the NBA.
Oh, as an aside-- hardcorehockey fan, you're a moron. An overwhelming number of 1st generation immigrants never learn how to speak English. You're from Detroit, so you should know as well as anyone that there were Hungarian and Polish ghettos in Detroit up untill the late '50's where all kinds of people never had a firm command on the English language. In fact, I'll bet most of us here have an ancestor who got off the boat at Ellis Island and spoke at best broken English until the day they died. As long as people come here to work hard and build a better life for themselves neither you nor anyone else should spout off with some ill-informed opinion about how they should live their lives. It's AMERICA, which most of us like to think is still, in principle, a FREE COUNTRY. If someone wants to learn to speak English, great. If they don't, that's one of the perogatives that they should enjoy by virtue of the fact that they live in a free society.
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As I am sure most can get from my posts, I am not sensitive to others, nor am I politically correct at all. What is white is white, and what is black is black, and one has to be sensitive when the racial stuff comes from ONE sector, but it does NOT work that way from the other side. But when someone like myself points out the insensitive comments from the other side, I am forever labeled a racist! It IS the way it goes, and it will go like that forever! As long as you are sensitive to the double standard, then to each their own, but I will not stand by and let someone walk over me, as long as I am around, just because I am a "kracker," and my immigrant family members owned slaves 50 years before they came to the United States! >>
I think this is about the 10th time I have witnessed toilet face profess how "insensitive" and "non politically correct" he thinks he is. Newsflash toilet! WHO THE FUC$ CARES ???? Talk about being full of oneself
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Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake. >>
IT WASN'T A RACIST COMMENT YOU SIMPLE MINDED REJECT.
It's a fact...and the very fact you are blind to it speaks volumes about your ignorance.
Now, GTFO out of here and let the adults talk.
Boo i agree, and besides working hard and making a better life they also built this country up.
SD
earth to tolietbowl man Our country does not have a language. It has many. No law states that English is the language.
From the internet:
Although the United States currently has no official language, English has long been the de facto national language. English is spoken by about 82% of the population as a native language and nearly everyone in the United States uses it as a daily language. On May 18, 2006 the Senate voted on an amendment to an immigration reform bill that would declare English the national language of the United States.[1] The immigration reform bill itself, S. 2611, was passed in the Senate on May 25, 2006, and now has to go back to the House of Representatives in conference to make sure amendments are agreed upon
So bowlman, Habib does not have to tell you the amount in English. I for one though think you are full of it though as many of those businessman do in fact speak english.
Steve
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So bowlman, Habib does not have to tell you the amount in English. I for one though think you are full of it though as many of those businessman do in fact speak english.
Steve >>
Full Name Republic of India
Area 3,287,590 sq. km
Population 1,045,845,226 (2002)
Capital City New Delhi
People Indian
Religion Secular state. Hindu 80%, Muslim 14%, Christian 2.4%, Sikh 2%, Buddhist 0.7%, Jain 0.5%, Zoroastrian and others 0.4%
Language 18 official languages, 1652 dialects. English is widely spoken.
Most pretend they dont speak English when they give you the wrong change
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Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake. >>
IT WASN'T A RACIST COMMENT YOU SIMPLE MINDED REJECT.
It's a fact...and the very fact you are blind to it speaks volumes about your ignorance.
Now, GTFO out of here and let the adults talk. >>
Oh it wasn't?
Go up to an African-American, tell him exactly what you said, and then let us know his reaction.
I bet you will be drinking your food through a straw for a couple of months.
Dope.
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Admit being wrong for making this racist comment, "The fact this happened a couple days before the season opened, with a majority of NBA players being black is why this guy received a one year ban from the NBA, more so than anything he said." and apologize to everyone. It's the most racist thing ever posted on these boards and you have yet to acknowledge what I hope was just a mistake. >>
IT WASN'T A RACIST COMMENT YOU SIMPLE MINDED REJECT.
It's a fact...and the very fact you are blind to it speaks volumes about your ignorance.
Now, GTFO out of here and let the adults talk. >>
Oh it wasn't?
Go up to an African-American, tell him exactly what you said, and then let us know his reaction.
I bet you will be drinking your food through a straw for a couple of months.
Dope. >>
If you agree that a racist is 'a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others' (I took this def. from an online dictionary), then I don't see how Axtell's remarks could be seen as furthering this viewpoint.
Also WP, I live very close to one of the highest concentrations of Arabic populations outside of the Middle East, just run "Dearborn" in a search engine, and go from there. Often times, I am forced to fill up my gas at one of these businesses, or buy my Coca Cola from one of these businesses, and many many many, many many times, the person behind the counter does not even understand "hello." So being "full of it," not quite sonny!
Boopoots, I never said in any previous post in this thread, that I am against immigrants, nor did I say I am against being a "melting pot." But I am a firm believer in thinking, if you CHOOSE to live and work in this country, then you should try your hardest to speak the language that we speak, whether it is written in law or not. If you want to speak your own language, pray to your God in whatever way you choose, fine, but do it in your own household. There is a difference in trying your best to fit in, than not even giving a second thought about it! My fiancee emigrated with her father and sister from Italy, and in his house, he speaks Italian, but he also leaves Italian at the front door when he goes out in public, or when I am around! He is 100% against my political beliefs, yet he does agree with me on that!
Back on topic now, the man who called Mutombo a "monkey," was indeed out of line, and his so-called punishment is just. But one could ask, if he called a white player a racist name, would he have received the same? Seems as if this whole world is full of sensitive people, full of double standards. How come one has to call someone an African-American, Arab-American, or Whatever-American, if we are all citizens, American should be suffice. Where is the political correctness when in reference to myself, I am called white. What if I want to be called a Caucasian-American? Oh wait, someone would call me a racist for that!
My dad died when I was a freshman in high school, I was denied financial aid for college, and my mom worked as a cashier. How come I could not go to the UNCF for help? There are white people who want to go to college just as badly as others, but also cannot afford it. But if there was a college fund organization for well, white people, there would be backlashes and outcries from millions. My mom also sought welfare benefits the year after his passing, because she was low on money because she had to pay taxes out of her arse. She was denied those also, even though she had 3 dependant children at the time. The money I made working that year practically went to help her out. But when Katrina struck, I saw a whole city cry and moan about what the government owes them! Welfare should not be a way of life, it should ONLY be there for people who are down on their luck for a small window of time, but where was the help when my mother needed it? It was not there, three kids in high school had to go without medical insurance for a few years, because that was a $500 monthly bill that saved my mother some money. I have seen those forms, how can they ask your race? To believe it is only for statistical purposes is a crock! And I often see those using their Bridge Cards (dunno bout other states, but it is like a welfare credit card in Michigan) to pay for some groceries, but surely have the extra cash on hand to buy alcohol and cigarettes. I have worked a few crap jobs in my time, and when offered overtime, I jumped on it, but I saw black coworkers turn it down, because it may put them over their allowable salary limits, that would reduce their benefits.
The society we live in is wrought with double standards and hypocrisy, only very few have any guts to point it out! I am called a racist, because I can point out facts that are based on what I have experienced personally, as well as what I read and hear in newspapers and on the news all the time. Racism is wrong in any form, but too many people turn the other way, when it is utterly obvious right in front of you. I have been called a honky or kracker on many occasions, too numerous to count, whether at a sporting event, a club, or in the city. I went downtown the first game of the World Series a couple weeks back, and a homeless man called me a "racist honky," because I would not spare a dollar, that is the last time I can think of. I only replied to him, "yup, but I am one with a dollar!" I never once in my life, ever spouted out the N-word in a racial slur, sure I have said it, but I liked rap music in the early 90s. So the way I see it, one demographic would be condemned to hell by society for anything resembling racism, yet others can get away with pretty much anything they choose! And to say I am wrong, is just blind to reality!
<< <i>Hey WP, with respects to my past comments about rioting after a championship in the city, I never said it did NOT happen back in the 80s. Since the 80s, there have been 3 Stanley Cups, another basketball championship, and two NCAA titles to boot (Michigan football and MSU basketball). There was NOT any rioting when those championships were won, only problems were minor offenses by drunken fools. I have also in the past, commented on the fact that the country sees Detroit as the "Murder Capital," but there is not anything different in the city of Detroit, as there is in any other major urban area. Just because I can point out those facts, does not mean the city is not a rat infested gutter. Nobody goes to downtown Detroit anymore, unless there is some event happening, or they want to go to one of the casinos. Before the riots in the 60s, surburbanites used to take trips to Detroit, and make it a whole day thing to shop and hang out, but since, businesses pulled out. In my years on earth, I have seen 3 mayors of that city that I can think of, only one really worked his tail off to turn the city around, and he was out as fast as he got in. He wanted what was best for the city, instead of basing decisions on business relations with minority owners, and people there hated him for that! Michael Jackson and Don Bardon (last name may be incorrect) wanted a casino with a themepark, but that mayor denied them, and chose white businessmen instead, because it was much better for the city, and that pretty much sealed his fate!
Also WP, I live very close to one of the highest concentrations of Arabic populations outside of the Middle East, just run "Dearborn" in a search engine, and go from there. Often times, I am forced to fill up my gas at one of these businesses, or buy my Coca Cola from one of these businesses, and many many many, many many times, the person behind the counter does not even understand "hello." So being "full of it," not quite sonny!
Boopoots, I never said in any previous post in this thread, that I am against immigrants, nor did I say I am against being a "melting pot." But I am a firm believer in thinking, if you CHOOSE to live and work in this country, then you should try your hardest to speak the language that we speak, whether it is written in law or not. If you want to speak your own language, pray to your God in whatever way you choose, fine, but do it in your own household. There is a difference in trying your best to fit in, than not even giving a second thought about it! My fiancee emigrated with her father and sister from Italy, and in his house, he speaks Italian, but he also leaves Italian at the front door when he goes out in public, or when I am around! He is 100% against my political beliefs, yet he does agree with me on that!
Back on topic now, the man who called Mutombo a "monkey," was indeed out of line, and his so-called punishment is just. But one could ask, if he called a white player a racist name, would he have received the same? Seems as if this whole world is full of sensitive people, full of double standards. How come one has to call someone an African-American, Arab-American, or Whatever-American, if we are all citizens, American should be suffice. Where is the political correctness when in reference to myself, I am called white. What if I want to be called a Caucasian-American? Oh wait, someone would call me a racist for that!
My dad died when I was a freshman in high school, I was denied financial aid for college, and my mom worked as a cashier. How come I could not go to the UNCF for help? There are white people who want to go to college just as badly as others, but also cannot afford it. But if there was a college fund organization for well, white people, there would be backlashes and outcries from millions. My mom also sought welfare benefits the year after his passing, because she was low on money because she had to pay taxes out of her arse. She was denied those also, even though she had 3 dependant children at the time. The money I made working that year practically went to help her out. But when Katrina struck, I saw a whole city cry and moan about what the government owes them! Welfare should not be a way of life, it should ONLY be there for people who are down on their luck for a small window of time, but where was the help when my mother needed it? It was not there, three kids in high school had to go without medical insurance for a few years, because that was a $500 monthly bill that saved my mother some money. I have seen those forms, how can they ask your race? To believe it is only for statistical purposes is a crock! And I often see those using their Bridge Cards (dunno bout other states, but it is like a welfare credit card in Michigan) to pay for some groceries, but surely have the extra cash on hand to buy alcohol and cigarettes. I have worked a few crap jobs in my time, and when offered overtime, I jumped on it, but I saw black coworkers turn it down, because it may put them over their allowable salary limits, that would reduce their benefits.
The society we live in is wrought with double standards and hypocrisy, only very few have any guts to point it out! I am called a racist, because I can point out facts that are based on what I have experienced personally, as well as what I read and hear in newspapers and on the news all the time. Racism is wrong in any form, but too many people turn the other way, when it is utterly obvious right in front of you. I have been called a honky or kracker on many occasions, too numerous to count, whether at a sporting event, a club, or in the city. I went downtown the first game of the World Series a couple weeks back, and a homeless man called me a "racist honky," because I would not spare a dollar, that is the last time I can think of. I only replied to him, "yup, but I am one with a dollar!" I never once in my life, ever spouted out the N-word in a racial slur, sure I have said it, but I liked rap music in the early 90s. So the way I see it, one demographic would be condemned to hell by society for anything resembling racism, yet others can get away with pretty much anything they choose! And to say I am wrong, is just blind to reality! >>
I would just like to add that this is total BS. I live in Detroit as well, and there are basically NO Arabic gas station owners or employees in the Metro area who 'don't understand English'. Trust me on this.
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I would just like to add that this is total BS. I live in Detroit as well, and there are basically NO Arabic gas station owners or employees in the Metro area who 'don't understand English'. Trust me on this. >>
Oh I trust you.
hardcorehockeyfan is simply a victim of his own ignorance.
We must all have pity on him...he struggles so hard, yet he still gets ignored by the Arabic gas station attendant. See, those Arabic gas station attendants do indeed understand what hardcorehockeyfan is saying, they just don't respond to him
yep.
Steve
When you drag "UNCF," non-english speaking gas attendents, "Murder capital," and talk about how black people don't like working over-time in a Dikembe Mutombo fan taunting post, it's obvious you have issues dealing with people of other races.
My question is, if you're that miserable having to live with people of different ethnicities around your hometown of Detroit/Dearborne?, why not move?
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>It sounds like Hardcorehockeyguy has a lot of pent up anger towards minorities for some reason.
When you drag "UNCF," non-english speaking gas attendents, "Murder capital," and talk about how black people don't like working over-time in a Dikembe Mutombo fan taunting post, it's obvious you have issues dealing with people of other races.
My question is, if you're that miserable having to live with people of different ethnicities around your hometown of Detroit/Dearborne?, why not move? >>
BigHurt, why not go and see the text that "UNCF" and "Murder Capital" were used in. National media blew out of proportion how Detroit is, as compared to any other major urban city, and that was in response to WP's comments about defending the city in the past. I also do not live IN Detroit, nor do I live IN Dearborn, I live IN the Detroit AREA, and contrary to what Boopoots says, there are many times that saying one spoken word of english to any attendants behind a counter is a waste of breath, I did NOT say ALL THE TIME. Boopoots, perhaps you should take some trips out to the Macomb/St. Clair county borders, heck, even a few trips in St. Clair Shores where I grew up can further my points even more! And why should I have to move, what if I cannot find another job, it is not like I can seek welfare benefits should I quit my job and be unable to pay my bills!
The UNCF, so that is NOT a racist organization? In the title itself, basically narrows it down who can seek the help. Why can there not be college funds set up for ALL races? Wait, I forgot, for myself, a college fund was called "Scholarship," or "GI Bill," since I had every advantage in life. I got no scholarship for my good grades, so it narrowed down where I had to go! In Michigan, we had a proposal on the ballot to ban Affirmative Action, and I voted to ban it, so that makes me a racist also, correct? According to the NAACP and many on these boards, I would be! There is also a provision to the constitution that stops discrimination based on race, sex, etc, etc, so that should already make Affirmative Action an outdated policy.
Too many people in this country cry, saying that "there should be no segregation, and everyone should live together," but certain RACIST organizations and programs further separate everyone from being equal! Oh wait, no, everything is perfect, there is no such thing as a DOUBLE STANDARD in this country! And my ancestors owned slaves too, when the first member of my family stepped foot on U.S. soil, slavery was abolished for 50 years!
Edited to add: if there is any pent up frustrations in myself, it is not racism, it is the obvious double standards that this country allows!
<< <i>I dunno, I can sympathize w HCHF, I too was raised by a single mom who had to riase two kids by herself, and the fact is there were opportunities denied her because of her race (white). To me, that is racisim. And if someone tried to start a "white kids only' collage fund? Oh my... >>
I didn't exactly grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth, so I can certainly empathize with others who had it rough growing up. But to think all black people are lazy because they didn't volunteer for over-time at some menial job I once held a long time ago? And what exactly does a gas station attendent not speaking english have to do with Dikembe Mutombo again?
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
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<< <i>I dunno, I can sympathize w HCHF, I too was raised by a single mom who had to riase two kids by herself, and the fact is there were opportunities denied her because of her race (white). To me, that is racisim. And if someone tried to start a "white kids only' collage fund? Oh my... >>
I didn't exactly grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth, so I can certainly empathize with others who had it rough growing up. But to think all black people are lazy because they didn't volunteer for over-time at some menial job I once held a long time ago? And what exactly does a gas station attendent not speaking english have to do with Dikembe Mutombo again? >>
It has to do with a reference I made about John Rocker, how he is considered a racist, just because he made comments about a city that did not exactly give him any professional courtesy whatsoever! He now has "Speak English" shirts out, because he feels that same as I do, about how our American culture is slowly headed down the tube! And I did NOT say all black people are lazy, I made points as to how my mother could not get help when she needed it for a year, but there are people who will not work extra, because benefits would be reduced, and those people in MY experience, where black people. I have heard "it is free money," enough in my life that it plsses me off!
This whole thread went off topic, when Axtell made a truthful comment as to how his opinion on the deal is, and he was called a racist! I made honest points out of personal experiences, and I am sliced up as a racist too!
People who say they cannot make money, go to college, or that the government owes them, are just people who show no initiative in life. I busted my arse to get where I am at presently, and if other people would quit blaming everything on things other than themselves, this world would be a whole hell of a ton better!
<< <i>when Axtell made a truthful comment as to how his opinion on the deal is >>
A truthful comment about an opinion?
Well, my opinion is that he is a racist so I guess that's a truthful comment too.
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<< <i>when Axtell made a truthful comment as to how his opinion on the deal is >>
A truthful comment about an opinion?
Well, my opinion is that he is a racist so I guess that's a truthful comment too. >>
It could also be truthful that it is said many times without any problems. And it can also be truthful that if it was another race involved, it would not even be a story for discussion. That does NOT make someone a racist!
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<< <i>I dunno, I can sympathize w HCHF, I too was raised by a single mom who had to riase two kids by herself, and the fact is there were opportunities denied her because of her race (white). To me, that is racisim. And if someone tried to start a "white kids only' collage fund? Oh my... >>
I didn't exactly grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth, so I can certainly empathize with others who had it rough growing up. But to think all black people are lazy because they didn't volunteer for over-time at some menial job I once held a long time ago? And what exactly does a gas station attendent not speaking english have to do with Dikembe Mutombo again? >>
It has to do with a reference I made about John Rocker, how he is considered a racist, just because he made comments about a city that did not exactly give him any professional courtesy whatsoever! He now has "Speak English" shirts out, because he feels that same as I do, about how our American culture is slowly headed down the tube! And I did NOT say all black people are lazy, I made points as to how my mother could not get help when she needed it for a year, but there are people who will not work extra, because benefits would be reduced, and those people in MY experience, where black people. I have heard "it is free money," enough in my life that it plsses me off!
This whole thread went off topic, when Axtell made a truthful comment as to how his opinion on the deal is, and he was called a racist! I made honest points out of personal experiences, and I am sliced up as a racist too!
People who say they cannot make money, go to college, or that the government owes them, are just people who show no initiative in life. I busted my arse to get where I am at presently, and if other people would quit blaming everything on things other than themselves, this world would be a whole hell of a ton better! >>
I'm sorry your personal experiences with minorities has tainted your view towards the millions of other minorities in the country.
This might come as a shock to you, but just because you have one white friend who might be an a--hole, it doesn't mean all white people are a--holes.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Edited to add: am I allowed to consider Jesse Jackson a racist a-hole? Or will that make me a racist?
<< <i>Thing that sucks though, white people who voice their opinions tend to be considered a-holes! If they are not considered a-holes, then they are considered racists!
Edited to add: am I allowed to consider Jesse Jackson a racist a-hole? Or will that make me a racist? >>
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
hardcore the more you say the deeper you get.
Steve
<< <i>the reason I thought Axtell's comment was, ahhh not proper was how he said it. he said.............the only reason the guy got into trouble for saying monkey was because the NBA is mostly black. emphasis on 'the only reason' and while that in and of itself may not be racist it sure as heck was improper. JMO
hardcore the more you say the deeper you get.
Steve >>
Deeper how? Some people on the internet who I will never meet or befriend in real life, will think I am a bad guy and a racist, just because of how they take truthful comments in a text format on a message board. Perhaps the CU people will think I am a racist, and ban me from posting, oh jeez, what would I do then? It is not like there are not 100,000 other message boards in cyberspace! What would I do with my time then?
<< <i>the reason I thought Axtell's comment was, ahhh not proper was how he said it. >>
WP,
the only reason you felt it not 'proper' was because *I* said it...you couldn't care less what I say, all you care about is disagreeing with me, and raising a stink.
Why don't you just grow up and shut your damn yap once in a while?
<< <i>Thing that sucks though, white people who voice their opinions tend to be considered a-holes! If they are not considered a-holes, then they are considered racists!
Edited to add: am I allowed to consider Jesse Jackson a racist a-hole? Or will that make me a racist? >>
I do think there is some truth to this. Our country really needs to grow up when it comes to the issues of race, and quit handling it with kid gloves. Blacks have some legitimate gripes about White Americans (in the aggregate), but on the same token whites, I believe, have some legitimate gripes with Black Americans (again, in the aggregate). As long as we don't feel comfortable discussing these issues they will continue to fester.
Really? I was answering Boo. And I will reply regarding you whenever i want. Why don't you practice what you preach and shut up up yourself.
Fyi. The reason I felt it was improper was because you did in fact say it. Joe Blow could have said it for all that it mattered. It was though, FACT that you did.
And as for disagreeing with you, when have you ever agreed with anything that I have said? Or for that matter what anyone ever says. You are the epitome of the guy that just loves to argue (with everyone) Not sure if you noticed it but you are always the common denominator whenever a flame is going on. It is always YOU and someone else. So stop playing the victim here, no one is buying it.
Steve
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Fyi. The reason I felt it was improper was because you did in fact say it.
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Thanks for verifying that.
<< <i>And as for disagreeing with you, when have you ever agreed with anything that I have said? Or for that matter what anyone ever says. You are the epitome of the guy that just loves to argue (with everyone) Not sure if you noticed it but you are always the common denominator whenever a flame is going on. It is always YOU and someone else. So stop playing the victim here, no one is buying it.
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haha now you're using the 'epitome' word (I'm glad you looked it up after I used it). And who's playing victim, moron? I simply said you get your panties wet when you have a chance to disagree with me, dipchit.
<< <i>the only reason you felt it not 'proper' was because *I* said it...you couldn't care less what I say, all you care about is disagreeing with me, and raising a stink.
Really? I was answering Boo. And I will reply regarding you whenever i want. Why don't you practice what you preach and shut up up yourself.
Fyi. The reason I felt it was improper was because you did in fact say it. Joe Blow could have said it for all that it mattered. It was though, FACT that you did.
And as for disagreeing with you, when have you ever agreed with anything that I have said? Or for that matter what anyone ever says. You are the epitome of the guy that just loves to argue (with everyone) Not sure if you noticed it but you are always the common denominator whenever a flame is going on. It is always YOU and someone else. So stop playing the victim here, no one is buying it.
Steve >>
I did not find what Axtell said as anything racist, nor do I believe what I said makes me a racist. Racism is fine in some levels, as long as it is ONLY a one way street, and do not try to tell me I am misinformed. As Boopoots said, that it appears nobody feels comfortable talking about racial problems. Because I am white, I have no rights or purposes to say anything that other races have the right to say to me, albeit, directly or indirectly! If there is a racial comment directed towards a black person, then the feds have to be called and everyone wants to jump on that train and take it as far as possible. Yet, if a racial comment was directed towards me, I have to sit there and take it, because myself, my parents, my grandparents, and etc, oppressed them. I never oppressed a single person in my life, but I am grouped up into that crap, but I am labeled a racist, because I can point out the indifference in it all! The crap that went on during slavery, and all the crap that led up to the '60s sickens me, but enough is enough already, now everything is a double standard! I can speak about racial things to minorities who are around my age, but I have learned, to NEVER try to speak to the older generations about a single thing. The older people tend to have myself grouped up into those who were the racists in the past!
I may not be old as hell yet, but what I have learned in my time on earth, three things can never be debated, those are race related things, politics, and religion. Nobody is ever open to a peaceful debate about either, they ONLY want to shovel their crap down your throat, but can never listen to reason or different viewpoints! Tell me I am incorrect, because you do know I am not, you are only blind to reality!
with all due respect, you did say things that could be construed as insensitive. I'll leave it at that.
as for axtell. him saying "the ONLY REASON" that fan got banned is because the NBA is mainly black is at best improper at worst it was or can be read as racist too. Would it not be as bad had the NBA only 1 black in it? The guy refferred to Mutombo as a monkey, regardless if the NBA is mainly black, partially black or if he was the only black it still was a racist comment. The fact that Mutombo is black made it a racist comment, regardless of the skin color of the person saying it.
Steve
<< <i>hardcore
with all due respect, you did say things that could be construed as insensitive. I'll leave it at that.
as for axtell. him saying "the ONLY REASON" that fan got banned is because the NBA is mainly black is at best improper at worst it was or can be read as racist too. Would it not be as bad had the NBA only 1 black in it? The guy refferred to Mutombo as a monkey, regardless if the NBA is mainly black, partially black or if he was the only black it still was a racist comment. The fact that Mutombo is black made it a racist comment, regardless of the skin color of the person saying it.
Steve >>
My comments are only insensitive to those who are blind to the reality in those comments, I gave a no BS assumption of how things really are, and many were based on MY personal experiences! Should that fan have said what he said, NO, but I can see the point Axtell made! I have heard much much worse in the stands at a Lions game (what else is there for some drunks to do), as if there is ever a real game going on, well, 9 outta 10 games! I have heard worse at Pistons games also! The fan who said it, was NOT white either, but I saw how quick many said he was a white man. As I said earlier in this thread, and again, THIS IS NOT A RACIST COMMENT, but if that man is white, then his tan is dark! But if the same man or perhaps a black man, were to call Darko Milicec a kracker, would he have been levied the same punishment, if not being allowed to attend games is really a punishment?
<< <i>Racism is fine in some levels, as long as it is ONLY a one way street, and do not try to tell me I am misinformed. >>
And if you don't see the irony in that sentence, then yes, you are misinformed.
Not hard to do at all since you did say it. or are you twisting what i said and taking it out of context?
i see you using my 'wetting your panties line" axhole, for a guy that constantly chides others for using what other people say you sure do it alot yourself. I guess that goes along with being a hypocrite.
as for my use of the word "epitome" i did not need to look it up I do have a decent vocabulary. Or are you implying that you used it earlier in the day and ten minutes later i was? like that silly nonsense you tried to say the other day?
i see you have another flame or two going on with others as we speak so yes you were trying to play the victim.
i gave you my opinion as to why I and a few others thought what you said was racist/insensitive or whatever you want to call it. if you do not see what you said as wrong then you need help.
Steve
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<< <i>Racism is fine in some levels, as long as it is ONLY a one way street, and do not try to tell me I am misinformed. >>
And if you don't see the irony in that sentence, then yes, you are misinformed. >>
Stown, do I have to spell out sarcasm to you? Ok, this is how it goes:
"Racism is fine if the person or persons who act or say the racial things, are of a minority demographic!"
For instance, if I called a black man the N-word, and said black man wanted to pursue things, I would have the media knocking on my door, and Jesse Jackson leading protest walks on my sidewalk, if he is paid to appear or looks better to the public to do so! If that led to a fight between said black man and myself, I would probably be in court on hate crime charges!
Now, if a black man called me a honky or kracker, or whatever term that can be considered racist, I just gotta suck it up and take it, because if I wanted to pursue things, I would be laughed at! If that led to a fight, we both would probably be in court on assault charges, but in no way, shape, or form, would it be construed as a hate crime!
I have a spare pair of contacts, I can send them to you Stown, if you are blind!
Also edited to add: I have also never called a black man the N-word, but have I said it, yes! As I said previously, I did like rap music in the early to mid '90s!
When exactly did you use it axhole? are you klidding me? do you really think that i used it only cuz you did? if in fact that you did? fyi i used it before this time here.
you think you use a word and only you know about that word? are you that full of yourself?
don't flatter yourself.
steve
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When exactly did you use it axhole? are you klidding me? do you really think that i used it only cuz you did? if in fact that you did? fyi i used it before this time here.
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Wow, I can imagine you so furiously pounding out your response you make mistake after mistake...premature posting seems to be a problem for you.
<< <i>you think you use a word and only you know about that word? are you that full of yourself? >>
No, moron, but you have an interesting habit of hopping on whatever word, term, or phrase that everyone else is using in a desperate and pathetic attempt to fit in.
Get lost, idiot.
quick now like a trained dog you will reply.
Hypocrite
Steve