<< <i>This is turning out to be a bit of a convoluted mess, isn't it? >>
I was thinking of something slightly more descriptive.
About 5 hours ago the USPS accepted a Registered package to PCGS which has sealed contents and its submission form filled out under the "previous" terms of pre-11/11 cutoff for the entire 3-piece Silver SAE set as 'First Strikes'.
This is about more than the Reverse proof! You can't be told by customer service one date and then be told later it's different.
What about the people who paid retail prices for sealed sets that were told by customer service that they were eligible for first strike? We're talking about a lot of money. Even more money lost if those have been sent into PCGS for the FS designation. Why? Because the wrong information had been given out or changed.
Just because the Gold and Silver Set was shipped first by the mint doesn't really have anything to do with when the 3 pc Silver was released. The mint has made this difficult with the way they released the sets but as a company PCGS needs to stand behind what they tell their customer service. JMHO
Glad everybody responding to this is PERFECT. Let's hope PCGS FIRES the poor Customer Service person that may have messed up 1% of the information - but, before they fire him or her, perhaps they can tar and feather them in a public place for us all to enjoy.
Regarding anyone who sent in sealed sets for grading who now thinks it was a huge mistake because of this "faulty" information, feel free to PM me tonight- excellent chance I'll personally buy the sets from you for a nice profit and take over your Submission number, so long as we can do a deal ahead of the coins actually being graded (so it is fair to us both). Of course, I expect very few takers on that offer even now that the "facts" are out (once again).
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First let me say that customer service only gets their information from the higher ups and that they have always been as helpful and nice as anyone I have had the pleasure of dealing with.
Now if you want to go out and tar and feather somebody maybe you should start there.
As far as the cut off time for the First Strike on MS Silver Eagles goes, what sense does it make to have the same cut off as the Gold and silver Set when they were released at different times?
As far as the cut off time for the First Strike on MS Silver Eagles goes, what sense does it make to have the same cut off as the Gold and silver Set when they were released at different times?
If, and I say if, you are not going to have a separate coin number for the 2 pc set MS Silver and the 3 pc set MS Silver Eagle, as PCGS chose not to do, then it makes perfect sense to me to have a single first strike deadline of late, October, 2006, as it is the very same MS Silver coin in both sets.
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<< <i>Glad everybody responding to this is PERFECT. Let's hope PCGS FIRES the poor Customer Service person that may have messed up 1% of the information - but, before they fire him or her, perhaps they can tar and feather them in a public place for us all to enjoy.
Regarding anyone who sent in sealed sets for grading who now thinks it was a huge mistake because of this "faulty" information, feel free to PM me tonight- excellent chance I'll personally buy the sets from you for a nice profit and take over your Submission number, so long as we can do a deal ahead of the coins actually being graded (so it is fair to us both). Of course, I expect very few takers on that offer even now that the "facts" are out (once again).
Wondercoin. >>
Mitch, no one is calling for any firing. You are taking this WAY too far. And, you can't know what people want, so you are generalizing saying that this is only about the RP and not ALL the coins. Please don't speak for others unless you have talked to them.
Even though I may have seemed harsh, I honestly do NOT blame Laura herself. I think the whole thing is messed up. If you can't understand that, I am sorry and I won't continue on that portion of it.
<< <i>This is turning out to be a bit of a convoluted mess, isn't it? >>
About 5 hours ago the USPS accepted a Registered package to PCGS which has sealed contents and its submission form filled out under the "previous" terms of pre-11/11 cutoff for the entire 3-piece Silver SAE set as 'First Strikes'.
I expect those terms to be adhered to....PERIOD. >>
Amen Brother! I sent in 10 sets with the expectation of FS on ALL the coins because that is what was promised in this posting. I'm absolutuly fuming that I'm going to get back a hodgepodge of mismatched slabs. Totally unacceptable. I should have just dumped them on ebay.
<< <i>As far as the cut off time for the First Strike on MS Silver Eagles goes, what sense does it make to have the same cut off as the Gold and silver Set when they were released at different times?
If, and I say if, you are not going to have a separate coin number for the 2 pc set MS Silver and the 3 pc set MS Silver Eagle, as PCGS chose not to do, then it makes perfect sense to me to have a single first strike deadline of late, October, 2006, as it is the very same MS Silver coin in both sets.
Wondercoin >>
Why do you get First Strike on the Proof Silver ASE then, which was released as a single coin a while back?
Why do you get First Strike on the Proof Silver ASE then, which was released as a single coin a while back?
Connectcoin- PCGS gave that Proof coin a DIFFERENT coin number. Again, the MS Silver Eagle from the 2 pc and 3 pc sets has the exact same coin number, which is why only a single FS starting date is appropriate.
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I noticed PCGS removed all the FS populations in their populations report. When I put in the coin numbers I get a page saying unkown coin number. Anybody else seeing this?
<< <i>I noticed PCGS removed all the FS populations in their populations report. When I put in the coin numbers I get a page saying unkown coin number. Anybody else seeing this? >>
A fix is on the way. The omission relates to how the coin numbers are structured and relate to each other.
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<< <i>Why do you get First Strike on the Proof Silver ASE then, which was released as a single coin a while back?
Connectcoin- PCGS gave that Proof coin a DIFFERENT coin number. Again, the MS Silver Eagle from the 2 pc and 3 pc sets has the exact same coin number, which is why only a single FS starting date is appropriate.
Wondercoin >>
But it is the same coin!!
To be consistent, then they should give the 2-pc set MS coin a different number, or they should set the cutoff date for the Proof ASE to one month from the release of the single coin.
I thought i remembered that PCGS must receive the Silver sets before 11/11/2006. NOT!!
Now the sets must "leave" the shipping center berfor 11/11/2006 befor the designation.
AND.. These sets, no matter when they arive at PCGS, can get "FIRST STRIKE(tm)", 20th thingy(tm)" if the post mark from the mint is before "11/11/2007" ?" Am i right?
<< <i>I thought i remembered that PCGS must receive the Silver sets before 11/11/2006. NOT!!
Now the sets must "leave" the shipping center berfor 11/11/2006 befor the designation.
AND.. These sets, no matter when they arive at PCGS, can get "FIRST STRIKE(tm)", 20th thingy(tm)" if the post mark from the mint is before "11/11/2007" ?" Am i right?
?? >>
Incorrect. Go back and re-read Laura's edited post.
If the postmark from the USMint is 10/24/06 or earlier, all 3 coins (in an unopened box) are eligible for 20th annv/1st strike. If " " " " 11/11/06 or earlier, then only the PR and RP (not the MS) coins are eligible for 20th annv/1st strike (still in unopened box). All 3 are eligible for 20th annv though.
Had some surgery on a leg . . . fell on a mtn. run . . . have had my 10 sets in a sealed box upstairs and hadn't looked at it in a week or two . . . .
Checked the date . . . 10/26/06 . . . so I'm off the hook . . . no worries. Guess I can spend 'em now. Not being much of an ebay player and only having one post-bachelors degree I was getting fairly confused as to what I should do anyway . . . .
i received a voice message from PCGS regarding a shipment of 3 loose gold anniversary coins. They said they can only designate the reverse proof, but not the proof or uncirc. I sent in the coins on October 24th by USPS using the postage meter at work. WHy would they not deisignate the proof? uncirculated? I thought this was only available in the anniversary set and I had until the 24th to send it in?
<< <i>i received a voice message from PCGS regarding a shipment of 3 loose gold anniversary coins. They said they can only designate the reverse proof, but not the proof or uncirc. I sent in the coins on October 24th by USPS using the postage meter at work. WHy would they not deisignate the proof? uncirculated? I thought this was only available in the anniversary set and I had until the 24th to send it in? >>
Call 'em.
Proof was available solo...has been for awhile. Unc was available as part of the 2pc set (silver/gold) and single.
If you had an opened set you sent in, that is why. You may be able to get 1st strike on the Unc (not sure of the dates on those, check Laura's post or CoinKing's thread/post), but you can't get the 20th annv set designation for them if you sent them in opened....
I thought as long as they are post marked by the 24th, both the Reverse Proof and MS uncirc can get both FS and 20th. Obviously the proof can get neither as this was available seperately.
No I opened the original box from the mint, that is why i cannot get the proof deignated, but why can I not get the uncirculated graded? There was no way to get this coin other than from the anniversary set, and I sent it in within the 30 day period which expired on October 24th. What can be the problem?
I happende to include inside my shipping box, an unopened box of silver eagles, hopefully, they save my outer box which clearly show the 24th, and I can work this out on Monday.
Like I said, the Unc is offered 2 other ways as well.... 2 pc set and on its own. I don't recall the date the singles were available ( you may be able to check and see in old threads or on the USMint's website, that's up to you) but that is what likely is the reason for your dilemma.
Now, you CAN get it graded....you just can't get the designation you wanted.
I think the 24th was the cutoff date for both the reverse proof and uncirc, but I will call them on Monday. Hopefully they made a mistake, as I when I called they said the 24th is the cut-off for both the reverse and uncirc.
I am really surprised that there is this much fuss over "First Stike" to me "First Strike " is no different than the coins shows on TV saying that a coin is "#1 out of 156", it means absolutely nothing unless the TPG's get people to buy into it and I guess they have. Not bad for a modern con.
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The 20th Anniversary cutoffs are on the Customer Service Update section of the PCGS website. This is where you should check for similar guidelines and changes such as pricing and return shipping fees. http://www.pcgs.com/customer_service_update.chtml/
1) Why would the reverse proof not qualify for first strike if sent in an opended mint box? Either way if it was sent in prior to October 24th, which is within the first 30 days after it was minted, shouldn't it also get first stirke?
2) SHouldn't the uncirc also get first stirke and anniversary deisgination if sent prior to the 24th? There was no way to obtain this coin prior to September 24th.
What pisses me off, is I am still awaiting shipment from the mint, and they told me they shipped well over 10 days ago. Guess I won't be getting 1st strk / maybe just 20th designation.
As long as the package is unopened and before dated Nov. 11 you can get the first strike designation of two of the ASE coins. It doesn't matter when you send the box in as long as the packing slip inside has the date when it was shipped(dated before Nov. 11) or on the outside box. The only thing is if it went thru USPS they don't show the date on the outside, though Fedex does show the date shipped.
Since PCGS is unable to determine when ANY of these coins were struck, I dont understand why there is any criteria for First Strike other than the unopened mint packaging. Why such early cutoff dates, even before half of the people have received theirs. Please explain the dates and why they are pertinent to first strike? Thank You
Since PCGS is unable to determine when ANY of these coins were struck, I dont understand why there is any criteria for First Strike other than the unopened mint packaging. Why such early cutoff dates, even before half of the people have received theirs. Please explain the dates and why they are pertinent to first strike? Thank You "
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<< <i>Since PCGS is unable to determine when ANY of these coins were struck, I dont understand why there is any criteria for First Strike other than the unopened mint packaging. Why such early cutoff dates, even before half of the people have received theirs. Please explain the dates and why they are pertinent to first strike? Thank You "
The answer to your question is the same as the answer to this question: Why does a dog lick his b***? Because he can! >>
If that is the only rationale, then that'd be sad. But I have faith that the rep will come on here and explain the nauture of the dates
well, i'm not sure if it was on purpose, but i asked a serious question. Then the thread became unlocked and sinking, so either my question is not going to be answered or claychaser already gave me the answer i seek. ttt for hope that there is a reason why the cutoff date for first strike submission was so short.
This is on the mint site...... pretty much clears up all of this "First Strike" stuff
The United States Mint has received inquiries from consumers regarding use of the term "first strike." The term has appeared in connection with the advertising and grading of 2005 and 2006 silver, gold, and platinum proof and bullion American Eagle Coins, and the new 2006 24-karat proof and bullion American Buffalo Gold Coins. Currently, there is no widely-accepted and standardized numismatic industry definition of "first strike." Coin dealers and grading services may use this term in varying ways. Some base its use on dates appearing on United States Mint product packaging or packing slips, or on the dates of product releases or ceremonial coin strike events. Consumers should carefully review the following information along with each dealer’s or grading service’s definition of "first strike" when considering a purchase of coins with this designation.
The United States Mint has not designated any 2005 or 2006 American Eagle Coins or 2006 American Buffalo Coins as "first strikes," nor do we track the order in which we mint such coins during their production. The United States Mint held a launch ceremony for the 2006 American Buffalo Gold Coin on June 20, 2006, two days before its release on June 22, at which two proof coins and two uncirculated coins were ceremonially struck. However, those coins were not individually identified and were put in regular inventory after the ceremony. The United States Mint did not hold any striking ceremonies for the 2005 or 2006 American Eagle Coins.
The United States Mint strives to produce coins of consistently high quality throughout the course of production. Our strict quality controls assure that coins of this caliber are produced from each die set throughout its useful life. Our manufacturing facilities use a die set as long as the quality of resulting coins meets United States Mint standards, and then replace the dies, continually changing sets throughout the production process. For bullion American Eagle and American Buffalo Coins, the United States Mint makes an average of about 6,000 coins from one die set. For proof versions of the 2006 American Buffalo Coins, the yield is an average of about 1,500 coins per die set. For proof versions of the American Eagle Coins, the yield is an average of about 300-500 coins per die set. This means that coins may be minted from new die sets at any point and at multiple times while production of a coin is ongoing, not just the first day or at the beginning of production. To put this in context, in 2005 the United States Mint produced approximately 356,500 one-ounce gold, 8,891,000 silver, and 6,300 one-ounce platinum American Eagle Bullion Coins.
American Eagle and American Buffalo Coins are not individually numbered and the United States Mint does not keep track of the order or date of minting of individual bullion or proof coins. The United States Mint begins production several weeks before these coins are scheduled to be released. By the release dates for 2005 and 2006 bullion coins, the United States Mint had already minted approximately 50% of the projected sales numbers for these coins. Any dates on shipping boxes containing uncirculated bullion coins sent to Authorized Purchasers are strictly for quality control and accounting purposes at the United States Mint at West Point. The date on the box represents the date that the box was packed, verified as 500 ounces and sealed, and the date of packaging does not necessarily correlate with the date of manufacture. The date on shipping labels and packing slips for proof coins, which are sent directly to United States Mint customers from our fulfillment center, is the date the item was packed and shipped by the fulfillment center. The other numbers on the shipping label and packing slip are used to track the order and for quality control.
Ok, this is a pretty old thread that I've dug up and re-opened...reading Bear's posts brought back a lot of good memories...
The reason for re opening the thread is that I just found an unopened box of 20th Anniversary Silver (dated December 2006) in my closet... I'm guessing that I could still send in the unopened box for 20th Anniversary designation, but not First Strike.
My question fellow forumites; is it worth getting these coins designated as 20th Anniversary or just leave them alone for another 7 years?
All opinions are welcome.
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<< <i>This is turning out to be a bit of a convoluted mess, isn't it?
I was thinking of something slightly more descriptive.
About 5 hours ago the USPS accepted a Registered package to PCGS which has sealed contents and its submission form filled out under the "previous" terms of pre-11/11 cutoff for the entire 3-piece Silver SAE set as 'First Strikes'.
I expect those terms to be adhered to....PERIOD.
This is about more than the Reverse proof! You can't be told by customer service one date and then be told later it's different.
What about the people who paid retail prices for sealed sets that were told by customer service that they were eligible for first strike? We're talking about a lot of money. Even more money lost if those have been sent into PCGS for the FS designation. Why? Because the wrong information had been given out or changed.
Just because the Gold and Silver Set was shipped first by the mint doesn't really have anything to do with when the 3 pc Silver was released. The mint has made this difficult with the way they released the sets but as a company PCGS needs to stand behind what they tell their customer service.
JMHO
Larry
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Regarding anyone who sent in sealed sets for grading who now thinks it was a huge mistake because of this "faulty" information, feel free to PM me tonight- excellent chance I'll personally buy the sets from you for a nice profit and take over your Submission number, so long as we can do a deal ahead of the coins actually being graded (so it is fair to us both). Of course, I expect very few takers on that offer even now that the "facts" are out (once again).
Wondercoin.
Well Mitch, I guess we all can't be like you.
First let me say that customer service only gets their information from the higher ups and that they have always been as helpful and nice as anyone I have had the pleasure of dealing with.
Now if you want to go out and tar and feather somebody maybe
you should start there.
As far as the cut off time for the First Strike on MS Silver Eagles goes, what sense does it make to have the same cut off as the Gold and silver Set when they were released at different times?
Larry
Dabigkahuna
If, and I say if, you are not going to have a separate coin number for the 2 pc set MS Silver and the 3 pc set MS Silver Eagle, as PCGS chose not to do, then it makes perfect sense to me to have a single first strike deadline of late, October, 2006, as it is the very same MS Silver coin in both sets.
Wondercoin
<< <i>Glad everybody responding to this is PERFECT. Let's hope PCGS FIRES the poor Customer Service person that may have messed up 1% of the information - but, before they fire him or her, perhaps they can tar and feather them in a public place for us all to enjoy.
Regarding anyone who sent in sealed sets for grading who now thinks it was a huge mistake because of this "faulty" information, feel free to PM me tonight- excellent chance I'll personally buy the sets from you for a nice profit and take over your Submission number, so long as we can do a deal ahead of the coins actually being graded (so it is fair to us both). Of course, I expect very few takers on that offer even now that the "facts" are out (once again).
Wondercoin. >>
Mitch, no one is calling for any firing. You are taking this WAY too far.
And, you can't know what people want, so you are generalizing saying that this is only about the RP and not ALL the coins. Please don't speak for others unless you have talked to them.
Even though I may have seemed harsh, I honestly do NOT blame Laura herself. I think the whole thing is messed up. If you can't understand that, I am sorry and I won't continue on that portion of it.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
And prove it.
Yeah, I know you can't.
And that is what makes this whole thing most distasteful.
If there was any validity in the F/S verification it would be an entirely different matter.
Yes, PCGS seems to be sticking to their story. but 30 days from initial issue is at its very best absolutely arbitrary.
<< <i>
<< <i>This is turning out to be a bit of a convoluted mess, isn't it?
About 5 hours ago the USPS accepted a Registered package to PCGS which has sealed contents and its submission form filled out under the "previous" terms of pre-11/11 cutoff for the entire 3-piece Silver SAE set as 'First Strikes'.
I expect those terms to be adhered to....PERIOD. >>
Amen Brother! I sent in 10 sets with the expectation of FS on ALL the coins because that is what was promised in this posting. I'm absolutuly fuming that I'm going to get back a hodgepodge of mismatched slabs. Totally unacceptable. I should have just dumped them on ebay.
<< <i>As far as the cut off time for the First Strike on MS Silver Eagles goes, what sense does it make to have the same cut off as the Gold and silver Set when they were released at different times?
If, and I say if, you are not going to have a separate coin number for the 2 pc set MS Silver and the 3 pc set MS Silver Eagle, as PCGS chose not to do, then it makes perfect sense to me to have a single first strike deadline of late, October, 2006, as it is the very same MS Silver coin in both sets.
Wondercoin >>
Why do you get First Strike on the Proof Silver ASE then, which was released as a single coin a while back?
Connectcoin- PCGS gave that Proof coin a DIFFERENT coin number. Again, the MS Silver Eagle from the 2 pc and 3 pc sets has the exact same coin number, which is why only a single FS starting date is appropriate.
Wondercoin
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<< <i>I noticed PCGS removed all the FS populations in their populations report. When I put in the coin numbers I get a page saying unkown coin number. Anybody else seeing this? >>
A fix is on the way. The omission relates to how the coin numbers are structured and relate to each other.
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<< <i>Why do you get First Strike on the Proof Silver ASE then, which was released as a single coin a while back?
Connectcoin- PCGS gave that Proof coin a DIFFERENT coin number. Again, the MS Silver Eagle from the 2 pc and 3 pc sets has the exact same coin number, which is why only a single FS starting date is appropriate.
Wondercoin >>
But it is the same coin!!
To be consistent, then they should give the 2-pc set MS coin a different number, or they should set the cutoff date for the Proof ASE to one month from the release of the single coin.
NOT!!
Now the sets must "leave" the shipping center berfor 11/11/2006 befor the designation.
AND.. These sets, no matter when they arive at PCGS, can get "FIRST STRIKE(tm)", 20th thingy(tm)" if the post mark from the mint is before "11/11/2007" ?" Am i right?
??
W.C. Fields
<< <i>I thought i remembered that PCGS must receive the Silver sets before 11/11/2006.
NOT!!
Now the sets must "leave" the shipping center berfor 11/11/2006 befor the designation.
AND.. These sets, no matter when they arive at PCGS, can get "FIRST STRIKE(tm)", 20th thingy(tm)" if the post mark from the mint is before "11/11/2007" ?" Am i right?
?? >>
Incorrect. Go back and re-read Laura's edited post.
If the postmark from the USMint is 10/24/06 or earlier, all 3 coins (in an unopened box) are eligible for 20th annv/1st strike.
If " " " " 11/11/06 or earlier, then only the PR and RP (not the MS) coins are eligible for 20th annv/1st strike (still in unopened box). All 3 are eligible for 20th annv though.
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Checked the date . . . 10/26/06 . . . so I'm off the hook . . . no worries. Guess I can spend 'em now. Not being much of an ebay player and only having one post-bachelors degree I was getting fairly confused as to what I should do anyway . . . .
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<< <i>i received a voice message from PCGS regarding a shipment of 3 loose gold anniversary coins. They said they can only designate the reverse proof, but not the proof or uncirc. I sent in the coins on October 24th by USPS using the postage meter at work. WHy would they not deisignate the proof? uncirculated? I thought this was only available in the anniversary set and I had until the 24th to send it in? >>
Call 'em.
Proof was available solo...has been for awhile.
Unc was available as part of the 2pc set (silver/gold) and single.
If you had an opened set you sent in, that is why. You may be able to get 1st strike on the Unc (not sure of the dates on those, check Laura's post or CoinKing's thread/post), but you can't get the 20th annv set designation for them if you sent them in opened....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I happende to include inside my shipping box, an unopened box of silver eagles, hopefully, they save my outer box which clearly show the 24th, and I can work this out on Monday.
Cashback from Mr. Rebates
I don't recall the date the singles were available ( you may be able to check and see in old threads or on the USMint's website, that's up to you) but that is what likely is the reason for your dilemma.
Now, you CAN get it graded....you just can't get the designation you wanted.
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Which coins get 1st Strike and when.
Pres. dollars are out next year and I am sure the mint will have a set at some point.
Yep, I hope we don't go thru this again.
Jim
-Laura
Glad you watch the boards and can answer questions.
Thanks again
1) Why would the reverse proof not qualify for first strike if sent in an opended mint box? Either way if it was sent in prior to October 24th, which is within the first 30 days after it was minted, shouldn't it also get first stirke?
2) SHouldn't the uncirc also get first stirke and anniversary deisgination if sent prior to the 24th? There was no way to obtain this coin prior to September 24th.
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And the same for a 3-coin ASE set in PCGS PR-70 and MS-70 ?
Thank you.
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<< <i>It used to be about the coins.
Then it was about the plastic.
Now it's about a little piece of paper inside the plastic.
My, how we've fallen... >>
Now that is funny!!! I think???
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I dont understand why there is any criteria for First Strike other than the unopened
mint packaging.
Why such early cutoff dates, even before half of the people have received theirs.
Please explain the dates and why they are pertinent to first strike? Thank You
Since PCGS is unable to determine when ANY of these coins were struck,
I dont understand why there is any criteria for First Strike other than the unopened
mint packaging.
Why such early cutoff dates, even before half of the people have received theirs.
Please explain the dates and why they are pertinent to first strike? Thank You "
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<< <i>Since PCGS is unable to determine when ANY of these coins were struck,
I dont understand why there is any criteria for First Strike other than the unopened
mint packaging.
Why such early cutoff dates, even before half of the people have received theirs.
Please explain the dates and why they are pertinent to first strike? Thank You "
The answer to your question is the same as the answer to this question: Why does a dog lick his b***? Because he can! >>
If that is the only rationale, then that'd be sad. But I have faith that the rep will come on here and explain the nauture of the dates
so either my question is not going to be answered or claychaser already gave me the answer i seek.
ttt for hope that there is a reason why the cutoff date for first strike submission was so short.
The United States Mint has received inquiries from consumers regarding use of the term "first strike." The term has appeared in connection with the advertising and grading of 2005 and 2006 silver, gold, and platinum proof and bullion American Eagle Coins, and the new 2006 24-karat proof and bullion American Buffalo Gold Coins. Currently, there is no widely-accepted and standardized numismatic industry definition of "first strike." Coin dealers and grading services may use this term in varying ways. Some base its use on dates appearing on United States Mint product packaging or packing slips, or on the dates of product releases or ceremonial coin strike events. Consumers should carefully review the following information along with each dealer’s or grading service’s definition of "first strike" when considering a purchase of coins with this designation.
The United States Mint has not designated any 2005 or 2006 American Eagle Coins or 2006 American Buffalo Coins as "first strikes," nor do we track the order in which we mint such coins during their production. The United States Mint held a launch ceremony for the 2006 American Buffalo Gold Coin on June 20, 2006, two days before its release on June 22, at which two proof coins and two uncirculated coins were ceremonially struck. However, those coins were not individually identified and were put in regular inventory after the ceremony. The United States Mint did not hold any striking ceremonies for the 2005 or 2006 American Eagle Coins.
The United States Mint strives to produce coins of consistently high quality throughout the course of production. Our strict quality controls assure that coins of this caliber are produced from each die set throughout its useful life. Our manufacturing facilities use a die set as long as the quality of resulting coins meets United States Mint standards, and then replace the dies, continually changing sets throughout the production process. For bullion American Eagle and American Buffalo Coins, the United States Mint makes an average of about 6,000 coins from one die set. For proof versions of the 2006 American Buffalo Coins, the yield is an average of about 1,500 coins per die set. For proof versions of the American Eagle Coins, the yield is an average of about 300-500 coins per die set. This means that coins may be minted from new die sets at any point and at multiple times while production of a coin is ongoing, not just the first day or at the beginning of production. To put this in context, in 2005 the United States Mint produced approximately 356,500 one-ounce gold, 8,891,000 silver, and 6,300 one-ounce platinum American Eagle Bullion Coins.
American Eagle and American Buffalo Coins are not individually numbered and the United States Mint does not keep track of the order or date of minting of individual bullion or proof coins. The United States Mint begins production several weeks before these coins are scheduled to be released. By the release dates for 2005 and 2006 bullion coins, the United States Mint had already minted approximately 50% of the projected sales numbers for these coins. Any dates on shipping boxes containing uncirculated bullion coins sent to Authorized Purchasers are strictly for quality control and accounting purposes at the United States Mint at West Point. The date on the box represents the date that the box was packed, verified as 500 ounces and sealed, and the date of packaging does not necessarily correlate with the date of manufacture. The date on shipping labels and packing slips for proof coins, which are sent directly to United States Mint customers from our fulfillment center, is the date the item was packed and shipped by the fulfillment center. The other numbers on the shipping label and packing slip are used to track the order and for quality control.
The reason for re opening the thread is that I just found an unopened box of 20th Anniversary Silver (dated December 2006) in my closet... I'm guessing that I could still send in the unopened box for 20th Anniversary designation, but not First Strike.
My question fellow forumites; is it worth getting these coins designated as 20th Anniversary or just leave them alone for another 7 years?
All opinions are welcome.