Can I be sure this is a real coin? EDIT: More Help Needed
richardshipp
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Sorry about the short time-frame, but would like to get your thoughts on this seated dollar. Its an ebay sale and I'm pretty sure it is nobody here.
1872 Seated Dollar
EDIT/UPDATE:
The seller has sent me an email which is:
"how can i till if this is a counterfeit" (his spelling not mine)
What would be the easiest, most concise response?
1872 Seated Dollar
EDIT/UPDATE:
The seller has sent me an email which is:
"how can i till if this is a counterfeit" (his spelling not mine)
What would be the easiest, most concise response?
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Ray
I just don't know, the coin looks good to my untrained eye; and the price is still cheap. Then again, I wonder what prompted the seller to take a picture of the edge of the coin?
Probably going to pass but wish I'd of found it sooner and tried to get the seller to tell me the weight of the coin if they could.
Thanks for the quick replies.
I asked them about the coin and was told that they couldn't remember exactly where it came from
I asked if they were 100% sure it was a real US issued coin?
Their answer was "well it must be 'cause we found one like it in the coinbook"
I'm going to pass and sorry to take up your time.
In addition, I'm going to look at myself in the mirror and say "buy from reputable sellers" 50 times. Maybe then it will sink in.
Fake! The date is in the wrong position, the dentilation is all wrong, the stars are hand cut and it has "the look". It is a cast copy.
I always enjoy buying my coins from people who express such an in-depth knowledge of numismatics and who display strong grammatical abilities. I say go for it, what could possibly go wrong?
<< <i>Sorry about the short time-frame, but would like to get your thoughts on this seated dollar. Its an ebay sale and I'm pretty sure it is nobody here.
1872 Seated Dollar >>
Chinese fake.
TD
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
the person that sold it gave it away for sure by posting the edge reeding
no brainer fake
<< <i>I was blocked from contacting the high bidder, so placed a bid and will get in touch with the seller. If anyone else would care to inform the seller that the coin is a counterfeit, I would appreciate it. Ditto, if you aren't blocked from contacting the previous high bidder to let him know what he almost did.
Message sent....Mike
<< <i>and it has "the look". >>
I agree it's a fake. Once I saw the obverse pic it had "the look" and know it looked wrong.
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Sorry to inform you but this coin you auctioned off appears counterfeit.
Item number: 290039640367
You should NOT proceed with the sale as you would be liable for breaking the law.
Thank you,
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To all of you who spared me the headache of potentially buying this coin I thank you. Now one more question if you don't mind.
What would be a good book for me to get to become more familiar with seated coinage?
Thanks in advance.
Richard
What would be a good book for me to get to become more familiar with seated coinage?
Books are great. I love books. However, if you really want to know how to spot fakes, go to as many coin shows as you can and examine certified Seated Dollars in various grades. Look at the luster, the details, etc. If you buy an example or two for your collection, study them in great detail. Then you will start to know the difference. You compliment that hands-on knowledge with reference books.
<< <i>Fake ! >>
correct.
fastenating.
lucky you.
See OP, I edited it for a little more help. Thx.
Just an observation.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Why are you even thinking about buying raw coin like this off of eBay? I know, I know. 'Cause you buy stuff for less on eBay, which as the old Gershwin song went, "It ain't necessarily so … It ain't necessarily so."
And if you get stuck with a counterfeit it definitely ain’t so.
While it can be difficult to determine any coins characteristics from just a photo there are a few things that I can point out.
First the date is not in the right spot. It is too far from the denticles and not aligned correctly. The reeding on the edge of the coin is quite suspect as well. Some of the marks in the field of the coin look added to give the appearance of wear. I noticed your a pawn shop and as such I can assume that you purchase gold and silver therefore you must have a decent scale in order to weigh things. While this cannot be used to determine 100% if the coin is real; it can be used to determine if the coin is counterfeit. Weigh the coin. It should weigh 26.73 grams. It is also mentioned on ebay that this particular year seated dollar has been recently found to have been counterfeited in China.
I would suggest that you seek help from a professional coin dealer to verify the authenticity of this coin prior to completing the sale. You would'nt want to jeopardize your reputation.
Best regards.
Thank you,
eBay
Genuine example:
I have been in touch with the seller. So far, his attitude seems consistent with that of someone who did not know the coin was a counterfeit.
His reply was "thanks a lot"
I'll bet he didn't know.
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That eBay Seated Dollar is a cartoon of a coin.
<< <i>My first impression when I saw it was that it looked "off" but I can't point to any one thing that definitely confirms it to be a fake. The thing that bothers me the most about it is the denticals they just don't seem right. A couple of people have mentioned that the date is in the wrong place but I don't know how many dies were used in 1872 or the date positions used on all of the different dies. (Some people seem to think that if it doesn't match the one genuine piece thay have it must be fake forgetting that the date can be in different locations on each die.) If this is a fake it is better than many that have come out of China. I wish we had the real weight as most of the fakes are about 5 grams light. >>
The face is rather condeming, plus it does have the "Chinese cast look." As for the date position, a quick check of the ANR archives shows no coins with that date postion, with two or three obverse dies being able to be identified. I should check Bowers-Borckardt whenever I get home, but I strongly doubt there'll be a match.
Edit: Dang, Bowers-Borkardt does list a "high date" variety. Well, I'm sure this coin is still Chinese, but I'll try the Heritage archives now to see if I can find one of the real high dates to compare to it.
2nd Edit: Here's a genuine high date 1872 in the Heritage archives. Sign-in required.
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