Recent big ticket toned coins on Ebay
Kimchee
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220037186663&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220037185762&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220037185843&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
Are these types of coins fetching similar prices at Heritage or show auctions?
Kimchee
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220037185762&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220037185843&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
Are these types of coins fetching similar prices at Heritage or show auctions?
Kimchee
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The seller is a member here, IIRC, and the photos are, IMHO, doctored through saturation enhancement. That being said, the prices seem high although the coins seem NT...Mike
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Are these types of coins fetching similar prices at Heritage or show auctions?
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Toners can get fairly dramatic price swings at auctions depending on if you have two people that really like the same look. That said, depending what the coins look like in hand, the 3 ending bid figures on the coins would be well within norms for common date MS 65* coins.
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Kimchee
-Mark Twain
The rumors of the death of the toned coin market have been greatly exaggerated.
<< <i>My opologies to the seller for thinking these looked AT; I'm quite a newb at buying and judging toned vs. AT coins. Kimchee >>
Don't apologize. Nobody knows for sure except perhaps the guy who did the AT (if applicable). We tend to determine whether a coin is AT or NT by the pedigree, rather than the looks so if you don't know the pedigree, you shouldn't feel bad. --Jerry
Doug
<< <i>Don't apologize. Nobody knows for sure except perhaps the guy who did the AT (if applicable).--Jerry >>
I respectfully but totally disagree with Jerry here -
Not only should Kimchee apologize, he should edit his original post and remove the offending langauge.
It is not right to link an auction and imply / suggest / infer that the items are AT and the prices are insane, particularly when you have no idea what you are talking about.
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<< <i>Don't apologize. Nobody knows for sure except perhaps the guy who did the AT (if applicable).--Jerry >>
I respectfully but totally disagree with Jerry here -
Not only should Kimchee apologize, he should edit his original post and remove the offending langauge.
It is not right to link an auction and imply / suggest / infer that the items are AT and the prices are insane, particularly when you have no idea what you are talking about. >>
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--------The odds are generally their favor : : : I statistically ascertaind that MORE THAN 60% of the older bust mareial out of the first 100 coins "were
decscribed in the writing of STACKS as having concerns (kokdo's for their honesrty!!) and in FACT been everything fron ":lightly wiped", to cleaned" , "to gently hailined",
to one case----- actually "whized!" (a rare coin, to be sure--and worth collecting). --
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That said, I find it offensive for anyone to arbitrarily decide some coin image is or isn't :natural"--especially based on Ebay's "fine award winning" photos!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The citations by StacK's were be EXPERTS WITH MANY YEARS EXPERIENCE----and THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL COIN!!!! Not some photo shop POS stuck randomly on Ebay and arbitarily called "insanely priced" with ZERO IDEA about pricing-- or originality--- or maybe ALL COINS!!
Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>I can see the chemistry ignorati are out in force again, AT period but go ahead and spend your money on such. If I was still at the University I would crack one of these out and run a surface spectroscopy and end the nonsense - maybe someone with such could do us all a favor. >>
Hey, everyone! A new toning expert!
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Let's think about it
<< <i>I can see the chemistry ignorati are out in force again, AT period but go ahead and spend your money on such. If I was still at the University I would crack one of these out and run a surface spectroscopy and end the nonsense - maybe someone with such could do us all a favor. >>
Care to back up your insulting proclamation with some facts? If not, it is my opinion that you should state your OPINIONS as such, and not be so rude.
<< <i><< I can see the chemistry ignorati are out in force again, AT period but go ahead and spend your money on such. If I was still at the University I would crack one of these out and run a surface spectroscopy and end the nonsense - maybe someone with such could do us all a favor. >>
Care to back up your insulting proclamation with some facts? If not, it is my opinion that you should state your OPINIONS as such, and not be so rude. >>
I predict that either a) He can't do that, or b) He won't be back to try.
Russ, NCNE
Always amazing how stuck pigs howl the loudest!
Read my response fully unless you are too pigheaded to do so. A sufrace spec. run on this or similar coins are likely to reveal sulfa-compound oxidation(s). Actually I do have back ground to make such statements and such coins would be AT until proven otherwise.
I agree with HighRelief - nice looking toners are just that.
Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>Coin guy, you really are ignorant and I am not calling names; I will not tell you any more than that I do have three college degrees. You are a fool if you are buying such coins but I congratulate you if you are selling such bits.
Always amazing how stuck pigs howl the loudest!
Read my response fully unless you are too pigheaded to do so. A sufrace spec. run on this or similar coins are likely to reveal sulfa-compound oxidation(s). Actually I do have back ground to make such statements and such coins would be AT until proven otherwise.
I agree with HighRelief - nice looking toners are just that. >>
I read your "response fully". Not surprisingly, you have proved nothing.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Let me guess, one is a PhD? (Piled higher and Deeper).
<< <i>A sufrace spec. run on this or similar coins are likely to reveal sulfa-compound oxidation(s). >>
Ha! First the guy tells us that these coins are "AT period", then says they are 'likely to reveal' sulfa-compund oxidation.
Does that mean they 'might be AT period'? So then, they might not be, right? In other words, you have no idea, right?
TorinoCobra71
<< <i>I will not tell you any more than that I do have three college degrees. >>
Well, bunky, that and $15 will buy you a circulated Morgan.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Coin guy, you really are ignorant and I am not calling names; I will not tell you any more than that I do have three college degrees. You are a fool if you are buying such coins but I congratulate you if you are selling such bits.
Always amazing how stuck pigs howl the loudest!
Read my response fully unless you are too pigheaded to do so. A sufrace spec. run on this or similar coins are likely to reveal sulfa-compound oxidation(s). Actually I do have back ground to make such statements and such coins would be AT until proven otherwise.
I agree with HighRelief - nice looking toners are just that. >>
I have four. Neener.
Coinguy, don't you have like 2 1/2 big ones? (Degrees, I mean)
Heh. Whatta maroon.
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<< <i>A sufrace spec. run on this or similar coins are likely to reveal sulfa-compound oxidation(s). Actually I do have back ground to make such statements and such coins would be AT until proven otherwise. >>
Don't ALL toned coins have sulphide oxidations?
I believe the equation goes something like this: 4Ag + O2 + 2H2O + 2Na2S ---> 2Ag2S + 4NaOH (sorry, don't know how to type subscripts).
I don't even have a college degree.
-Amanda
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That must mean Mr. 3 degrees must have been a coin grader and or coin doctor in the recent past. In case he didn't notice, college degrees have relatively little to do with one's expertise in determining AT coins. Now that he has told us what is irrelevant to the area of coin expertise, maybe he'll provide something relevant.
I don't think having a chemistry degree implies you can ferret out AT coins better than a top grader w/o such a degree. Degrees come in all shapes and sizes. I once knew a guy with a master's in chemistry that was seriously challenged in the sciences. Not sure how he ever got as far as he did.
If you give me the option of using a guy with 3 degrees or a 20 year coin doctor with "just" a high school education to render an opinion on a toned coin, it's obvious who wins. Give a TPG the same option, they'd go the same way.
roadrunner
But I have discussed this with dealers, collectors and even a former NGC grader that howls like a stuck pig who inform me that I'm full of pooey.
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<< <i>Coin guy, you really are ignorant and I am not calling names; I will not tell you any more than that I do have three college degrees. You are a fool if you are buying such coins but I congratulate you if you are selling such bits. Always amazing how stuck pigs howl the loudest! Read my response fully unless you are too pigheaded to do so. A sufrace spec. run on this or similar coins are likely to reveal sulfa-compound oxidation(s). Actually I do have back ground to make such statements and such coins would be AT until proven otherwise. I agree with HighRelief - nice looking toners are just that. >>
I have four. Neener. Coinguy, don't you have like 2 1/2 big ones? (Degrees, I mean) Heh. Whatta maroon. >>
Don't call him a Maroon, I'm a Maroon. Yes, that is the silly mascot of the University of Chicago (BA Physics, 1980). He is correct, however, he will find evidense of sulfides of silver. However, he will find these whether it is AT or NT, the chemistry is the same. --Jerry
Sheesh, coinboy, you gonna let that guy call you a purple?
I don't mean to be rude, but anyone who insists that these coins are AT is simply dead wrong, and has not studied toned Morgans. Recognizing the progression is easy in some cases (like the first coin posted in this thread), but the trick is to recognize the correct natural color progression in cases where the toning has not formed in the classic rainbow bands, such as the second coin posted above.
Perhaps someday a couple of us will put on a little seminar at ANA with photos, to help folks learn more. In the meanwhile, those who are not experienced in the field, who have not examined hundreds or thousands of toned Morgans, should be more cautious in their pronouncements.
As for university degrees and an alleged knowledge of chemistry, well I'm afraid the value of both has just been taken down a notch. A piece of paper (or even parchment) does not make one an expert in anything.
Best,
Sunnywood
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<< <i>Coin guy, you really are ignorant and I am not calling names; I will not tell you any more than that I do have three college degrees. You are a fool if you are buying such coins but I congratulate you if you are selling such bits.
Always amazing how stuck pigs howl the loudest!
Read my response fully unless you are too pigheaded to do so. A sufrace spec. run on this or similar coins are likely to reveal sulfa-compound oxidation(s). Actually I do have back ground to make such statements and such coins would be AT until proven otherwise.
I agree with HighRelief - nice looking toners are just that. >>
Hey professor, when you call an obviously mint bag toned Morgan AT, you show close to ZERO knowledge of toned Morgan Dollars. You should do some real research before spouting you mouth off, unless you work for the New York Times.
<< <i>AT vs. NT can be very difficult to discern for some coins ... but NOT for bag-toned Morgans. The classic thin-film color progressions are in full evidence on all three of these coins. it is most obvious on the first one, but if you know what to look for, it is equally obvious on the other two. For example, check out the slim reverse crescent on the third coin.
I don't mean to be rude, but anyone who insists that these coins are AT is simply dead wrong, and has not studied toned Morgans. Recognizing the progression is easy in some cases (like the first coin posted in this thread), but the trick is to recognize the correct natural color progression in cases where the toning has not formed in the classic rainbow bands, such as the second coin posted above.
Perhaps someday a couple of us will put on a little seminar at ANA with photos, to help folks learn more. In the meanwhile, those who are not experienced in the field, who have not examined hundreds or thousands of toned Morgans, should be more cautious in their pronouncements.
As for university degrees and an alleged knowledge of chemistry, well I'm afraid the value of both has just been taken down a notch. A piece of paper (or even parchment) does not make one an expert in anything.
Best,
Sunnywood >>
Sunnywood,You have adressed this much more eloquently than i could have and would be proud to help with any ANA project to inform the public on toned Morgans,Best,Lloyd
<< <i>Hey professor, when you call an obviously mint bag toned Morgan AT, you show close to ZERO knowledge of toned Morgan Dollars. You should do some real research before spouting you mouth off, unless you work for the New York Times. >>
Oooooooh, LOVE it!!!
Nice coins Doug/Lloyd!
Hey, be glad the pictures didn't get panned too!
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can't we all just get along?
It seems that many of the responses reveal the inadequacies of the writers. Do not assume anything about my background, but it may suffice to say that you have simply no idea. As neither a thief nor a con with NO money at stake(thank God), it rather makes me suspicious of Coinguy amongst others, and in the manner of Shakespeare: "methinks he doth protest too much"; just what are they up to?
Well, just Love coins, period.
Scuse the newbie question but I don't know anything about toning. What is the properties of slow & natural toning and and what are the properties of this hideous and blantant AT junk so that I'll know what to look for if I ever find a reputable seller of toned coins?
Please cite the "howling" you refer to? As I recall, you were the one who basically said you you knew what others did not, yet, when asked to back it up, mentioned that you had three degrees and couldn't prove anything. Still, you have seen fit to proclaim that the coins are AT until proven otherwise, despite the fact that collectors with a great deal of experience and knowledge in this area have a different opinion.
<As neither a thief nor a con with NO money at stake(thank God), it rather makes me suspicious of Coinguy amongst others, and in the manner of Shakespeare: "methinks he doth protest too much"; just what are they up to?>>
I rarely handle Morgan Dollars and when I do, they are not usually the wildly toned ones that bring four figures. So, I have no real stake in this matter, other than having a problem with anyone who makes unsubstantiated claims in the tone that you did, with nothing to back it up.
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<< <i>A sufrace spec. run on this or similar coins are likely to reveal sulfa-compound oxidation(s). Actually I do have back ground to make such statements and such coins would be AT until proven otherwise. >>
Don't ALL toned coins have sulphide oxidations?
I believe the equation goes something like this: 4Ag + O2 + 2H2O + 2Na2S ---> 2Ag2S + 4NaOH (sorry, don't know how to type subscripts).
I don't even have a college degree.
-Amanda >>
Of course this coin would show such... the toning was caused by sulphur in the mint bags
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