Piniella wants A-Rod...
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A short left field where the wind blows out, playing for a manager who will coddle him, in a town where nobody expects a winner. He can finish out his career piling up meangless numbers in pressure free games.
His dream job indeed.
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<< <i>It will be the perfect fit for Arod.
A short left field where the wind blows out, playing for a manager who will coddle him, in a town where nobody expects a winner. He can finish out his career piling up meangless numbers in pressure free games.
His dream job indeed. >>
I think you are right on here.
He can be "Mr. Cub II"
Every team wants Arod....everyone except the yankees that is.
Who wouldn't want arguably the greatest player of this generation on their team? Oh wait, yankee fans think that it's too mentally challenging to play in ny. Hah! I hope he leaves that place and goes someplace where he's wanted by the fans, instead of despised for his talents and his money.
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<< <i>Of course Pinella wants Arod.
Every team wants Arod....everyone except the yankees that is.
Who wouldn't want arguably the greatest player of this generation on their team? Oh wait, yankee fans think that it's too mentally challenging to play in ny. Hah! I hope he leaves that place and goes someplace where he's wanted by the fans, instead of despised for his talents and his money. >>
Just as long as those fans don't require RESULTS in tough spots with his talent and money all will be good.
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<< <i>I don't think its going to b much for ARod. The Yanks want him out of town. They also seem to have a thing for washed up pitchers so possibly either Wood, Prior and Wade Miller along with a prospect and I think the Yanks will take the deal. >>
Heard on PTI pinella wants Carlos Lee, Soriano, and/or Arod.
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<< <i>I don't think its going to b much for ARod. The Yanks want him out of town. They also seem to have a thing for washed up pitchers so possibly either Wood, Prior and Wade Miller along with a prospect and I think the Yanks will take the deal. >>
Heard on PTI pinella wants Carlos Lee, Soriano, and/or Arod. >>
Carlos has always killed the Cubs so it'd be nice to not have to worry about facing him.
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<< <i>Aramis Ramirez and Rich Hill sounds fair for Arod! >>
Yeah, sure -- given how badly NY is going to want to unload A-Rod, I am sure every team will serve up thier best player -- NOT!! Unless it is the Angels, Dodger, or the Mets, they will be lucky to have a team simply take on his salary and throw in a token utility infielder!
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Yeah, sure -- given how badly NY is going to want to unload A-Rod, I am sure every team will serve up thier best player -- NOT!! Unless it is the Angels, Dodger, or the Mets, they will be lucky to have a team simply take on his salary and throw in a token utility infielder! >>
nope, A-Rod is owed just 15 mil per year by whoever may trade for him. A bargain for his "supposed" prowess on the field. The Yanks will not deal the clown without a bonafide young arm in return.
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<< <i>Piniella wants A-Rod... >>
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I doubt you'll see a top tier pitcher traded for him....teams don't need him *that* badly.
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<< <i>If nobody offers up the young stud arm, A-Rod is going nowhere. >>
That would be only fair, since Arod is such a good looking, bi-racial young stud himself
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<< <i>If nobody offers up the young stud arm, A-Rod is going nowhere. >>
Don't worry, the yankees want him gone so jeter's fragile ego will be intact again.
The yankees are quietly desperate to trade him.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>I dont think there is anything quiet about the Yankees wanting to trade him. Its pretty obvious around these parts. >>
Really? When Cashman says they are planning to start the year with him?
I mean I know the ny media has their panties in a twist about trading him, but there's been nothing from yankee central indicating as such.
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Don't worry, the yankees want him gone so jeter's fragile ego will be intact again.
The yankees are quietly desperate to trade him. >>
The Yankees want him gone because A-Rod fails miserably when needed the most...... ALL THE TIME. Please don't bring the vastly superior Jeter into this. A-Rod is not a pimple on the rear end of Jeter
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<< <i>I dont think there is anything quiet about the Yankees wanting to trade him. Its pretty obvious around these parts. >>
Really? When Cashman says they are planning to start the year with him?
I mean I know the ny media has their panties in a twist about trading him, but there's been nothing from yankee central indicating as such. >>
If you believe what Cashman is saying then there is a really nice bridge here I can sell you cheap !
Ever heard of not laying all your cards on the table ?
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If you believe what Cashman is saying then there is a really nice bridge here I can sell you cheap !
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Please re-read what I said. I never said I believed what he was saying, but by quietly going about trades is exactly what he's doing.
<< <i>Ever heard of not laying all your cards on the table ? >>
Yes, it's called 'quietly' going after what you want...which is what my post said.
<< <i> Axtell, I don't get you at all. You say that ARod is so great and all and at the same time say that "teams don't need him that badly." Make up your mind. If he's as good as you say he is, there should be over 20 teams salivating to get him. >>
Perhaps I should have clarified. Arod is a fantastic talent - absolutely without a doubt. However, great bats are relatively common in comparison to great pitching. Therefore, teams aren't very likely to give up a great pitcher or prospect to acquire Arod's services. Throw in the relative desperation with which the yanks want him gone, and you have little to no incentive for teams to throw lots of pitching talent ny's way for Arod.
Jeter is a guy that needs to be coddled. He will not and has not worked well with many other star in pinstripes. But I just don't drink the Jeter juice. Great player, yes. But he lacks the MJ factor. He doesn't make the players around him better. I'm not saying he's selfish or a whore for the spotlight, but its quite obvious that players that can bring the best out of their teammates are considered the best in their game. Jeter is not one them.
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If you believe what Cashman is saying then there is a really nice bridge here I can sell you cheap !
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Please re-read what I said. I never said I believed what he was saying, but by quietly going about trades is exactly what he's doing.
<< <i>Ever heard of not laying all your cards on the table ? >>
Yes, it's called 'quietly' going after what you want...which is what my post said.
<< <i> Axtell, I don't get you at all. You say that ARod is so great and all and at the same time say that "teams don't need him that badly." Make up your mind. If he's as good as you say he is, there should be over 20 teams salivating to get him. >>
Perhaps I should have clarified. Arod is a fantastic talent - absolutely without a doubt. However, great bats are relatively common in comparison to great pitching. Therefore, teams aren't very likely to give up a great pitcher or prospect to acquire Arod's services. Throw in the relative desperation with which the yanks want him gone, and you have little to no incentive for teams to throw lots of pitching talent ny's way for Arod. >>
I think someone will pony up a high quality young arm for A-Rod. I know I would if all I had to pay him is 15 million. There has been some loose talk that the Tigers may be interested, and God knows they have enough arms, but of course the logical place would be Anaheim. I'd be interested to hear what skinpitch has to say on this, but I 'suspect' that A-Rod would be more valuable to a team then a solid #2 starter.
<< <i>Bri and Softie, you bothe surprise me a little bit. I don't frequent over and I intentionally avoid the Yankees threads. I know how their fans are and I know how the antagonists are and its not a debate I like to partake in. Especially with my teams failures for almost 100 years. But I don know baseball and I can view players objectively without the koolaid buzzing my view.
Jeter is a guy that needs to be coddled. He will not and has not worked well with many other star in pinstripes. But I just don't drink the Jeter juice. Great player, yes. But he lacks the MJ factor. He doesn't make the players around him better. I'm not saying he's selfish or a whore for the spotlight, but its quite obvious that players that can bring the best out of their teammates are considered the best in their game. Jeter is not one them. >>
I think Jeter's still PO'd about those remarks A-Rod made in that article when he was still in Texas. And who knows what all transpired in the locker room-- for all I know Derek Jeter is a steady, level headed guy and A-Rod's an insufferable narcissist. Or, of course, it could be the other way around. That being said, I think the argument that Jeter should have done more to bring A-Rod into the fold IF Jeter's primary concern is winning is a pretty good one.
In a way this compares to the Yzerman-Federov deal from about 7 years ago. I can't imagine that StevieY liked Sergei at all, but he did a pretty good job of trying to get the team to embrace him. As a captain I think one of your jobs is to rise above the pettiness and personal issues and do whatever you need to do to give your team the best chance to win- and if that means publicly supporting a teammate who you cannot stand as a human being then so be it.
jeter has never shown any leadership qualities, and his title of 'captain' is purely that - a title. It was his job as 'captain' to integrate Arod into the fold, and jeter failed miserably.
I can't wait for Arod to get out of ny, get away from the crybaby fans who have relished in booing him every day for the last 3 years, and gets to a place where he'll be embraced. He'd be a hero at Wrigley field...the fans there are among the most loyal in the country. They (rightfully) embrace the home team - instead of booing them.
<< <i>Jeter is a guy that needs to be coddled. >>
Having watched the guy for 11 years and read and heard almost everything he has every said as it pertains to the Yankees I just don't see any evidence of what you're talking about, Zef.
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<< <i>I think everything that needs to be said about jeter's failings as a captain was that one fateful day where Arod was planted squarely under a pop fly, jeter ranged over, tried to call off Arod, and caused the ball to fall to the ground. Then, instead of picking the ball up and making a throw, he sits there, glaring at Arod like a petty child who never learned how to share his toys.
jeter has never shown any leadership qualities, and his title of 'captain' is purely that - a title. It was his job as 'captain' to integrate Arod into the fold, and jeter failed miserably.
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I totally agree with you!
zef what the heck are you talking about?
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Trust me Hartland is not Axtell. I just feel Jete as the Captain of the Yankees needs to back all of the players on his team and not just the ones who do roids.
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boohoo someone calls out jeter, and he must be an alt?
haha!
Yes, ARod has GREAT abilities...but he has proven those abilities to be useless under pressure. That kind of play doesnt fit in NY. Just the way it is. Should that be any fault of the fans? Of management? Of ownership? Of teammates? Hell no...its all on him.
Lets not forget that ARod's has so much ego, he refused to let Don Mattingly help him. And I hope no one is insinuating that ARod's performance is related to Jeter. That would just be ridiculous.
I personally feel the Yankees will give ARod ONE more chance. He needs to clean up that mess inside of his head. I'm sure management will tell him to be ready to perform when he comes back next spring. And we arent talking about padding the numbers either.
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Jeter is a guy that needs to be coddled. He will not and has not worked well with many other star in pinstripes. >>
zef, how in the world did you come to this conclusion? How do the Yankees coddle Derek Jeter? No way, I have seen him play every day for 11 years now and all he does is play every day, hustles all the time, handles the media with class, etc. AT no time have I ever seen the Yankees "coddle" Derek Jeter. If there is ANY Yankee player that need coddling it is definately A-Rod. He is a mental mess.
Also, please name these "many other" stars he has not worked well with? I can't come up with one.
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<< <i> That being said, I think the argument that Jeter should have done more to bring A-Rod into the fold IF Jeter's primary concern is winning is a pretty good one.
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Do you mean Derek should have taken all of those A-Rod at bats in crucial situations? I can't believe you guys think that Jeter not "coddling" A-Rod had anything to do with his miserable play. If anything, it speaks volumes about the messed up head A-Rod has. Bottom line is the guy can't handle the fishbowl.
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boohoo someone calls out jeter, and he must be an alt?
haha! >>
yeah yeah yeah bla bla bla Ax. Just like you accuse so many of being alts when they dare call you out? Spare us please
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yeah yeah yeah bla bla bla Ax. Just like you accuse so many of being alts when they dare call you out? Spare us please >>
hahah you sound just like stownie now - well, it makes sense, you 2 share the same undersized and underdeveloped brain.
no dopey it was her first post and she agreed with you. does'nt take a genius to see through that. unlike you and all your fase claims regarding alts.
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<< <i> hahah you sound just like stownie now - well, it makes sense, you 2 share the same undersized and underdeveloped brain. >>
When the truth comes out, Axtell swings away
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<< <i>boohoo someone calls out jeter, and he must be an alt?
no dopey it was her first post and she agreed with you. does'nt take a genius to see through that. unlike you and all your fase claims regarding alts.
Steve >>
But it does apparently take a genius to spell 'doesn't' and 'false' correctly.
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<< <i> hahah you sound just like stownie now - well, it makes sense, you 2 share the same undersized and underdeveloped brain. >>
When the truth comes out, Axtell swings away >>
Dan,
I think it's because you touched his ears.....
It is tough for the Yankee Jeter groupies to hear how Jeter fails as a team "captain". Not helping, supporting, or sticking up for ARod even once is a perfect example. Not allowing ARod to play SS (where he is naturally better than Jeter) is another example. Coming to the defense of noted steroid users like Giambi and Sheffield, and not saying a single thing that would have calmed the NY media down regarding ARod is yet another. You could go on and on...
But, he dives into the stands and catches foul balls in a really cool fashion. Maybe that's it.