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FavreFan1971
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I gotta sell my 1972 Football set. # 6 Current and #11 all time. Sucks, but you gotta do what you gotta do. If you want to take a look and bid here is my link.
1972 Set, #6 Current if I had it on the registry
If for some reason I don't get the reserve I will sell it out separatley to board memebers.
1972 Set, #6 Current if I had it on the registry
If for some reason I don't get the reserve I will sell it out separatley to board memebers.
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1. Why do you call the set complete when there are two cards missing?
2. Isn't your title: "Complete 1972 Football Set ALL PSA Graded 9's + more"somewhat misleading when there are raw cards included?
Also, "Heisman" has only one "n"
Complete 1972 Football Set ALL PSA Graded 9's + more
330 of the 351 Cards are Graded PSA 8. That is 94% of the set is PSA 8
8 of these cards are graded PSA 9
7 of these cards are graded PSA 7
4 of the cards are Raw (no stars Scott Hunter, Gale Gillingham, Norm Bulaich, Walt Garrison)
2 Cards are missing #119 Nance Pro Action and #58 Ken Bowman
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
Complete 1972 Football Set, ALL PSA Graded, 9's + more!
Then it's pretty close to the truth.
Good luck on the sale!
Good luck with your sale, it is a beautiful set that you have built and I hope you do well with it.
<< <i>Out right lie is a little strong. Sure its a strech, as it is missing some cards. But not like the ones that I see as sets, that contain on 50-100 of the cards. >>
The title is completely misleading and not truthful:
Complete 1972 Football Set ALL PSA Graded 9's + more
1) It's not a complete set
2) They aren't all PSA Graded 9's
Staubach Namath Spurrier PSA8 #6 on the PSA Registry
This is the hook...
Guys, I think you're being a bit rough on Troy - he's one of about a zillion ebayers who throw in an attention grabber to get people to read his ad.
He totally explains the set in the description - I think it's an ad to get attention - that's what they do in magazines - if they didn't no one would call Dr. Pain to have their hernia looked at?
This is such a beautiful set and one of the toughest to complete. I have worked at this set for over two and a half years. Over 25% of these cards were personally sent in to PSA.
330 of the 351 Cards are Graded PSA 8. That is 94% of the set is PSA 8
8 of these cards are graded PSA 9
7 of these cards are graded PSA 7
4 of the cards are Raw (no stars Scott Hunter, Gale Gillingham, Norm Bulaich, Walt Garrison)
2 Cards are missing #119 Nance Pro Action and #58 Ken Bowman
Good luck Troy.
Sorry to hear you have to sell something you put your heart and soul into for over 2 yrs.
mike
..........but still it is not a complete set and it is not all PSA graded............
The details and pictures in the description are FIRST RATE!!
Good luck on you auction.......sorry you have to sell.......
1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better
Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete
Does Jim Kick look like Pete Vukovich (circa '83) or what also?
Great scans, I have never seen most of these cards.
Julen
RIP GURU
Complete 1972 Football Set ----- ALL PSA Graded -------- 9's + more
In other words, it's all PSA graded, and there are 9's and more in it. But, then I see it's not actually all PSA graded, and it's not actually all complete either. So, it's the type of auction I would click on, then see what the seller is trying to do, and then click on to something else because I feel the seller was trying to trick me into looking at the auction.
But, its still a nice set.
Hey what's a few missing commas between friends?
Good luck with the sale.
Sorry to see that you have to get rid of it.
Keith
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Bosox1976
stown-
you need to grow up. The first paragraph of the auction clearly states what the limited real estate in the title prevents him from stating. 'outright lie'? get real.
There are countless ebay auctions run by scammers - why don't you spend some time rounding them up instead of harrassing this guy? Sheesh get a life.
<< <i>Don't kick a guy when he's down. >>
Exactly what I was thinking. First the guy has to regretfully give up one of his life's passions & then to get harrassed for the simple spacing issue? C'mon, give em the benefit of the doubt, he did a great job describing his auction.
Name calling is reserved for people who just can't come up with anything intelligent to say.
Good luck with your auction Troy & save those doubles for another day!
Be good my brothers.
-Claude
matt
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
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Having said that, if you were not a board member, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that everyone would be complaining about the title.
Just because there are a ton of scammers out there, it doesn't justify a misleading title being acceptable.
Good luck
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
<< <i>Don't get me wrong... I am sorry to hear that you are in the position in which you have to sell. You have some great looking cards and I wish you the best of luck.
Having said that, if you were not a board member, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that everyone would be complaining about the title.
Just because there are a ton of scammers out there, it doesn't justify a misleading title being acceptable.
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Next time, keep your opinion to yourself. The auction clearly states what is and what is not included in the set. Calling it an 'outright lie' then not recanting on that statement is ridiculous.
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Next time, keep your opinion to yourself. >>
This is a public forum......we are all entitled to put in our 2 cents.............then we just have to agree to disagree...
1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better
Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete
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<< <i>Don't get me wrong... I am sorry to hear that you are in the position in which you have to sell. You have some great looking cards and I wish you the best of luck.
Having said that, if you were not a board member, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that everyone would be complaining about the title.
Just because there are a ton of scammers out there, it doesn't justify a misleading title being acceptable.
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Next time, keep your opinion to yourself. The auction clearly states what is and what is not included in the set. Calling it an 'outright lie' then not recanting on that statement is ridiculous. >>
Pot meet Tinkerbell.
However, Troy has always been a friend here and did not "spam" the set as an outsider.
I believe we owe our friends the deference of a question about something instead of accusations.
If any of you had a questionable title - I know you would expect good treatment?
mike
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I believe we owe our friends the deference of a question about something instead of accusations.
If any of you had a questionable title - I know you would expect good treatment?
mike >>
You'd think as much, but there are those here who are so quick to judge without actually knowing a damn thing and try to make some noise.
It's unfortunate he has to sell the set - perhaps in the future, those who were so quick to judge this 'outright lie' will think twice before hitting that reply button.
Whatever.
are likley to find.
The reserve price is absolutely essential in today's market.
Only people who want to risk giving their cards away fly
without a reserve in a high-dollar deal. eBay is now full
of bargain hunters and FEW retail buyers. Always better
to list something again than to give it away.
The title is a tiny bit off, but it is not materially off. But,
I doubt the set would have had one fewer bidder or
sold for one-cent less, if the title had said "99.9% complete."
It sure is a nice bunch of cards.
And, at the risk of getting flamed: When board members
see another board member having a challenge getting a
title "just perfect," it might be good to be a little more helpful,
and a good bit less accusatory.
storm
<< <i>Yes. Let's only make positive comments here, instead of giving honest opinions.
Whatever. >>
I sure hope we can give an opine without hurting others feelings?
You asked some good questions - someone else called him a liar - that's the center of the issue.
We only know the printed word - and BTW, without knowing someone's intention - correcting someone's spelling could be viewed as facetious.
mike
<< <i>Yes. Let's only make positive comments here, instead of giving honest opinions.
Whatever. >>
Calling his listing an 'outright lie' is not an honest opinion.
An outright lie would have neglected to mention anything he said in the first paragraph; that is the crux of the issue here. He was as forthcoming as possible in the auction, and people want to bash him, on top of his already being forced to sell something he's invested a ton of time and energy into?
That's simply classless.
<< <i>I also think you guys are being unfairly harsh here. His title is fine with me. I mean, there is no doubt about what he is selling here. He breaks the set down in the listing and is very clear as to what is and is not included and what the grades are. An auction title is just that: a hook to get you to read further and it's well done in this case. >>
Ebay disagrees:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/misleading-titles.html
While I don't have any belief that the seller in this case was trying to be deceptive, it's also clear to me that his auction title is an Ebay violation. The auction title has to match the item being sold - in this case it has to actually be a complete set.
Tabe
<< <i>Ebay disagrees >>
Well Ebay is a walking contradiction so I don't put much stock in what they have to say. But chances are they will bust this sellers b*lls while letting real scammers get away with murder.
Good luck with your auction.
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<< <i>Yes. Let's only make positive comments here, instead of giving honest opinions.
Whatever. >>
Calling his listing an 'outright lie' is not an honest opinion.
An outright lie would have neglected to mention anything he said in the first paragraph; that is the crux of the issue here. He was as forthcoming as possible in the auction, and people want to bash him, on top of his already being forced to sell something he's invested a ton of time and energy into?
That's simply classless. >>
Classless is you, Tinkerbell
Anyways, the title is the issue here regardless of how you attempt to spin it. Everyone here agrees that the body of the auction's description is first class. If he had accurately described the title to reflect exactly what he was selling, this wouldn't be an issue, period. You can continue to harass people with different opinions but that won't chage the fact that his title is not what he is selling, period. They are not all 9s, they are not all PSA graded, and it's not a complete set, period.
Did he meliciously do it? Only he knows.
Good luck with your auction, farvefan.
My point is, being a member of this forum doesn't give one free pass. FF is basically spamming an auction whose title is, at best, poorly constructed and, at worst, deceptive. Of course he's going to catch some criticism, almost all of which has been legitimate.
Calling it an 'outright lie' is ridiculous.
No, I don't know the guy, but its apparent from reading the auction, he's gone into more detail than any other set auction I can remember explaining what is and isn't included.
I wish those who are in such a huff here (YOU stownie) would focus their attention on auctions that truly are 'outright lies' - this isn't one of them.
stownie-
if you want to play ebay detective, why don't you go through ebay's listings and find really deceptive ones? You know, ones with 'psa' in the title, with no psa graded cards, and post those auctions here? I mean its obvious you need to do this, so why don't you actually hunt for fraudulent listings instead?
Good luck with your auction.
So true! Ebay's only "rule" is that they make as much money as possible. The honest guy gets screwed over and the scammers clean up. There are many sellers who consistently sell resealed garbage under the title of unopened wax but ebay does NADA to protect the unwitting collector even after multiple complaints are filed. Ebay only takes action when it affects their profit margin. In this case, they'd claim the seller should have used the "subtitle" option for his auction. Bottom line here is that this auction is as honest as they come. Quibbling over the title is one thing calling the auction a downright lie is plain wrong.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>All right, I'll concede that "outright lie" is probably a tad harsh, but this listing, to me, is not fundamentally different from failing to disclose a qualifier in an auction title, which most here probably consider a cardinal sin of selling on eBay. >>
I personally feel the description is fine; seems like it was just too long and he couldn't fit the commas.
Best of luck on the sale!
-Ian
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<< <i>All right, I'll concede that "outright lie" is probably a tad harsh, but this listing, to me, is not fundamentally different from failing to disclose a qualifier in an auction title, which most here probably consider a cardinal sin of selling on eBay. >>
I personally feel the description is fine; seems like it was just too long and he couldn't fit the commas.
Best of luck on the sale!
-Ian >>
He would have had room, if he left out the words "complete" (which it's not) and "all PSA graded" (which it's not either). Just stating the facts, and I agree that if this was just a random Ebay auction, it would garner more criticism from the board here.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
He's not trying to trick anybody, and I hope it sells for him. FavreFan is a good member here.
I would have had a completely different take if the seller weren't so very specific what was and what wasn't included in the auction. The listing is very, very accurate with photos and a detailed description of what's included.
'Outright lie'? hardly.
<< <i>Typical 'busybody' reaction from those whose lives are so sad they see only negativity.
I would have had a completely different take if the seller weren't so very specific what was and what wasn't included in the auction. The listing is very, very accurate with photos and a detailed description of what's included.
'Outright lie'? hardly. >>
I think YOUR point was understood about 4 of your posts ago...........and the poster rescinded his "outright lie statement" awhile back................Move ON....
1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better
Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete
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Maybe. But, it is not a random EBAY auction; it is the auction of
a board member, whom other board members might/should
have some obligation to "help get the title to work perfectly."
But, no quick help was offered. No fast friendly suggestions, just a really
fast bash.
Any suggested "title repairs" might or might not have been accepted,
but none were really timely offered.
And, it is really not the same as including "PSA" in a title when no
PSA cards are up. According to EBAY, accuracy in titles is primarily
important to assure that buyers "find what they want and do not
get confused." I doubt that anybody who clicked on the title said,
"Darn, it's two cards short and a few aren't graded."
Like many of you, I made my bones busting MANY crooked auctions
and I know a corrupt listing when I see one; this is not one of them.
storm