Pete Rose "Confession Balls"
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It reminds me of writing sentences when I was younger. Interesting/odd.
Does anyone have that Mantle Yankee Stadium form? The unedited one?
Bonds always has this option open when he's done.
Tacky of Pete to have profited off this, although it shouldn't surprise anyone that he did.
Tacky of Rob to offer it- way, way out of character.
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Yes, sort of like Bud Selig made him write it on the blackboard 300 times! That's what I thought.
Until MLB removes his stats from the books, I still LOVE pete rose.
I won't buy a ball however...
Julen
RIP GURU
-Ian
Great player, but he broke the cardinal rule and got caught.
Peace
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How can someone who has such nice cursive handwriting, print like a schoolkid?
<< <i>Anyone have or have pics of any Mantle signed balls with the explatives?
Does anyone have that Mantle Yankee Stadium form? The unedited one? >>
Email me at Luc.Mitchell@gmail.com and I'll get it out to you.
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Besides, Ceasar's, Field of Dreams is pretty close to the Ceasar's buffet line and next to the sports book! (...I'm just kidding, Pete never bets!)
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P.S. Still, nobody played the game like Pete, and he still may get "his ticket stamped" someday, for what he did "on the "field of dreams", and not what he did or didn't do "off the field"! (Clinton inhaled and George W "snorted some lines and had a DWI"! ...To this day, they both say, "No! I didn't inhale" and "Who me "snorting Cola? I've always been a God-fearin' guy! ...hummm, did I spell God-fearin' right?"). They both got their tickets punched anyway!
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Pete - ya got balls!
mike
Pete has serve an almost 20 year sentence for his crime let the man in the hall.
Red
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<< <i>Can we stop putting Pete under a microscope for everything he says or does? For what it's worth Pete addressed most of the issues that have been brought up in this thread on Quite Frankly last night. The book release date, the signed baseballs etc. The guy has to make a living so he does signings at Ceasars. I don't see the problem with that. I know all the nay sayers out there are saying he's had some bad timing or bad decisions or thumbing his nose at baseball. I might have a slightly skewed veiw of what has been in the news but I thought Pete came off pretty sincere on Steven A's show. Bottom line is he lied about betting and carried it on for 17 years. Was told that if he came clean he would be reinstated. He finally came clean and then it was said that he didn't sound sincere enough. When is enough, enough? He made a mistake and came clean. Let's move on. I support Pete to be reinstated and considered for the HOF. His records speak for themselves.
Red >>
I completely, 100% agree with you here. Many other athletes have done much worse and continue to do much worse but are continually promoted by the MLB machine (See: Ruth, Babe and Cobb, Ty).
-Ian
It cheapens sports memorabilia in general. I saw this yesterday on the yahoo homepage, and I'm thinking to myself..."hmmmm, what would a novice think of this business....". These kinds of oddities overshadow all of the important stuff in the memorabilia world (i.e. the Walter Johnson jersey that was found this year).
It makes the whole business look cheap and tacky. It reminds me of the controversy over pieces of Roberto Clemente's plane that were auctioned a year or two ago. I'm thinking...why??
<< <i>Can we stop putting Pete under a microscope for everything he says or does? For what it's worth Pete addressed most of the issues that have been brought up in this thread on Quite Frankly last night. The book release date, the signed baseballs etc. The guy has to make a living so he does signings at Ceasars. I don't see the problem with that. I know all the nay sayers out there are saying he's had some bad timing or bad decisions or thumbing his nose at baseball. I might have a slightly skewed veiw of what has been in the news but I thought Pete came off pretty sincere on Steven A's show. Bottom line is he lied about betting and carried it on for 17 years. Was told that if he came clean he would be reinstated. He finally came clean and then it was said that he didn't sound sincere enough. When is enough, enough? He made a mistake and came clean. Let's move on. I support Pete to be reinstated and considered for the HOF. His records speak for themselves.
Red >>
I saw "Quite Frankly" last night with Pete and it was great. He is a hell of a man and he showed me alot of what I already knew on that show last night. Let Pete in, he did his prison time. Forgiveness is way overdue. chaz
<< <i>Can we stop putting Pete under a microscope for everything he says or does? For what it's worth Pete addressed most of the issues that have been brought up in this thread on Quite Frankly last night. The book release date, the signed baseballs etc. The guy has to make a living so he does signings at Ceasars. I don't see the problem with that. I know all the nay sayers out there are saying he's had some bad timing or bad decisions or thumbing his nose at baseball. I might have a slightly skewed veiw of what has been in the news but I thought Pete came off pretty sincere on Steven A's show. Bottom line is he lied about betting and carried it on for 17 years. Was told that if he came clean he would be reinstated. He finally came clean and then it was said that he didn't sound sincere enough. When is enough, enough? He made a mistake and came clean. Let's move on. I support Pete to be reinstated and considered for the HOF. His records speak for themselves.
Red >>
You do raise an interesting point by reminding us that reinstatement doesn't guarantee admission to the HOF. I'm not sure that Pete will be able to get the 75% vote that is needed. I'm sure there are straw polls out there that are a barometer of which I'm not aware, but Pete may be in a better situation now than if he were eligible and weren't elected.
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<< <i>Can we stop putting Pete under a microscope for everything he says or does? For what it's worth Pete addressed most of the issues that have been brought up in this thread on Quite Frankly last night. The book release date, the signed baseballs etc. The guy has to make a living so he does signings at Ceasars. I don't see the problem with that. I know all the nay sayers out there are saying he's had some bad timing or bad decisions or thumbing his nose at baseball. I might have a slightly skewed veiw of what has been in the news but I thought Pete came off pretty sincere on Steven A's show. Bottom line is he lied about betting and carried it on for 17 years. Was told that if he came clean he would be reinstated. He finally came clean and then it was said that he didn't sound sincere enough. When is enough, enough? He made a mistake and came clean. Let's move on. I support Pete to be reinstated and considered for the HOF. His records speak for themselves.
Red >>
You do raise an interesting point by reminding us that reinstatement doesn't guarantee admission to the HOF. I'm not sure that Pete will be able to get the 75% vote that is needed. I'm sure there are straw polls out there that are a barometer of which I'm not aware, but Pete may be in a better situation now than if he were eligible and weren't elected. >>
Reinstate the man and put him in the hall. chaz
But, I'm not comfortable with moral relativism - wrong is wrong.
Any statements to the effect - he's not as bad as so and so...
To me that's irrelevant - the guy was a cheat and only confessed when he got royally caught and this was his only way out.
I think he's a great ball player but confessing so late in the game was no virtue. More like opportunistic.
Does he deserve to be forgiven? Sure. But, he's still got a lot of fence mending to do IMO. And some of his latest business escapades aren't helping him.
mike
Does he deserve to be forgiven? Sure. But, he's still got a lot of fence mending to do IMO. And some of his latest business escapades aren't helping him.
mike >>
Like offering to autograph more "Sorry" balls after the exposure they have received from REA......
<< <i>Does he deserve to be forgiven? Sure. But, he's still got a lot of fence mending to do IMO. And some of his latest business escapades aren't helping him.
mike >>
Like offering to autograph more "Sorry" balls after the exposure they have received from REA...... >>
I was also disappointed with the timing of his book...
Just before the HOF induction ceremonies - not a crowd pleaser IMO.
He could've used better spin doctors/handlers.
If he had done it right - he could've had people almost feeling sorry for him.
mike
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<< <i>Does he deserve to be forgiven? Sure. But, he's still got a lot of fence mending to do IMO. And some of his latest business escapades aren't helping him.
mike >>
Like offering to autograph more "Sorry" balls after the exposure they have received from REA...... >>
I was also disappointed with the timing of his book...
Just before the HOF induction ceremonies - not a crowd pleaser IMO.
He could've used better spin doctors/handlers.
If he had done it right - he could've had people almost feeling sorry for him.
I agree 100% Mike
Its almost like Pete makes all of these decisions to purposely ruffle everyones feathers. I am starting to think he actually wants people to dislike him, so he can keep thumbing his nose at his critics....
mike >>
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<< <i>Does he deserve to be forgiven? Sure. But, he's still got a lot of fence mending to do IMO. And some of his latest business escapades aren't helping him.
mike >>
Like offering to autograph more "Sorry" balls after the exposure they have received from REA...... >>
I was also disappointed with the timing of his book...
Just before the HOF induction ceremonies - not a crowd pleaser IMO.
He could've used better spin doctors/handlers.
If he had done it right - he could've had people almost feeling sorry for him.
Mike- how much more punishment do you want to give the guy? If you saw the show "quite frankly", timing of the book wasn't his fault. He's just tryin' to make a living for his family. He has suffered for almost 20 years.....enough already. Put him in. chaz
mike >>
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<< <i>Does he deserve to be forgiven? Sure. But, he's still got a lot of fence mending to do IMO. And some of his latest business escapades aren't helping him.
mike >>
Like offering to autograph more "Sorry" balls after the exposure they have received from REA...... >>
I was also disappointed with the timing of his book...
Just before the HOF induction ceremonies - not a crowd pleaser IMO.
He could've used better spin doctors/handlers.
If he had done it right - he could've had people almost feeling sorry for him.
Mike- how much more punishment do you want to give the guy? If you saw the show "quite frankly", timing of the book wasn't his fault. He's just tryin' to make a living for his family. He has suffered for almost 20 years.....enough already. Put him in. chaz
mike >>
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Chaz
If you read my entire thoughts - I said he deserves to be forgiven. I don't want to "punish" Pete - all I said was that it's hard to warm up to him with the bad timing and quality of his business ventures.
If MLB reinstates him? That's OK with me. If he goes in the hall - that's OK with me.
edit: the main thrust for me here was to mention the fact that I'm not comfortable with forgiving him just because he's nicer than a bank robber.
mike
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<< <i>Does he deserve to be forgiven? Sure. But, he's still got a lot of fence mending to do IMO. And some of his latest business escapades aren't helping him.
mike >>
Like offering to autograph more "Sorry" balls after the exposure they have received from REA...... >>
I was also disappointed with the timing of his book...
Just before the HOF induction ceremonies - not a crowd pleaser IMO.
He could've used better spin doctors/handlers.
If he had done it right - he could've had people almost feeling sorry for him.
Mike- how much more punishment do you want to give the guy? If you saw the show "quite frankly", timing of the book wasn't his fault. He's just tryin' to make a living for his family. He has suffered for almost 20 years.....enough already. Put him in. chaz
mike >>
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Chaz
If you read my entire thoughts - I said he deserves to be forgiven. I don't want to "punish" Pete - all I said was that it's hard to warm up to him with the bad timing and quality of his business ventures.
If MLB reinstates him? That's OK with me. If he goes in the hall - that's OK with me.
edit: the main thrust for me here was to mention the fact that I'm not comfortable with forgiving him just because he's nicer than a bank robber.
mike >>
No problem Mike and it is certainly understandable how you feel. chaz
<< <i>He was a great player, no question, but the only reason that Pete Rose has not been reinstated and is not in the Hall of Fame is Pete Rose. He was given every chance to come clean, admit his wrongdoing, mend fences, repair the burned bridges, etc., but he stubbornly refused to do so and that's why baseball hasn't done him any favors. Fact is, that he bet on his own team from the freakin' dugout and while it's true that there are many lowlifes in the HOF today, betting on baseball is about as sacriligious as you can get. Shoeless Joe Jackson can attest to that from the grave, even though he tried to right his wrongdoing in that 1919 WS but by then it was too late. Maybe Pete likes things just the way they are. I mean, no one could be that stupid, right? >>
So you want to ban him for life? That is ridiculous. Pete said last night that he would be the happiest man alive if he were inducted into the hall so why in hell would he like things the way they are now? That is also ridiculous. Chaz
Not as ridiculous as him trading his dignity for a quick buck by signing balls "I'm sorry I bet on baseball.--Pete Rose" That, my friend, is ridiculous.
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<< <i>That is also ridiculous. Chaz
Not as ridiculous as him trading his dignity for a quick buck by signing balls "I'm sorry I bet on baseball.--Pete Rose" That, my friend, is ridiculous. >>
Look, he didn't sign those balls to make money, and their purpose was clearly stated.
People want to get off on the thought of his begging forgiveness in order to feel better about their own pitiful lives. It's what that tool Selig wants, and what a lot of people who want to hold Rose in contempt want, too. Then, they say 'we *might* let him back in the hall, only if he gets on his knees and begs forgiveness'.
He played the game to the max, and he never gave up. He never cheated, never cheated the game, bet on some baseball games when he was a manager.
Players like Bonds will make the hall on their first ballot, despite cheating for years and years. All Rose did was bet on some games in which he had no bearing on the outcome, and people want to crucify the guy for it.
Let him be, he's served a longer sentence than some murderers. Let the man in the hall, don't let him coach or manage, and end this already.
And therein, Ax, lies the problem. He bet on baseball, and if that wasn't bad enough he bet on (or against?) his own team, and if that wasn't enough, he did it from the clubhouse and from the dugout.
If there's one thing that is absolutely taboo in baseball, it's gambling on the game, especially if you are involved in the outcome of that game. Pete did that and was appropriately punished.
As I said before, the only reason that Pete Rose is not in the HOF is because of Pete Rose. He sabotaged every effort to reinstate him, and basically thumbed his nose at the HOF by releasing his book on the weekend of the HOF inductions. He claimed at the time the timing was "purely coincidental". Bullsh1t. And low class all the way.
I'm not saying Pete doesn't deserve to be in the Hall based on his career records and how he played the game of baseball. There's no doubt that he was one of the greatest players of all time. However, you can't help a guy who refuses to help himself, and Pete has done nothing but alienate those that sought to help him by his won behavior (Just ask Mike Schmidt).
Would you welcome back a guy that continually thumbed his nose at you? I doubt it. Pete's only concern now is making money, ostensibly to support whatever endeavors he may now be involved in. He's sold off almost every meaningful piece of baseball memorabilia for pure profit, including World Series rings, bats, gloves, significant balls, etc. Sorry, Ax, but if you think Pete signed those hundreds of balls out of the goodness of his heart, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I even heard that Pete's now cashing in before the auction houses by offering the balls up for sale on his web site. Sad.
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Giambi is more of a cheat and he gets a free pass. Bonds, Sosa and the rest of the steroid crew wont be banned for life... The public already forgot about them, but Pete gets held down???
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Good point, but until Bonds tests positive, his steroid use is sheer speculation and baseball cannot do anything about it. That may stretch the bounds of credibility but that's the reality of the situation.
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<< <i>That is also ridiculous. Chaz
Not as ridiculous as him trading his dignity for a quick buck by signing balls "I'm sorry I bet on baseball.--Pete Rose" That, my friend, is ridiculous. >>
Look, he didn't sign those balls to make money, and their purpose was clearly stated.
People want to get off on the thought of his begging forgiveness in order to feel better about their own pitiful lives. It's what that tool Selig wants, and what a lot of people who want to hold Rose in contempt want, too. Then, they say 'we *might* let him back in the hall, only if he gets on his knees and begs forgiveness'.
He played the game to the max, and he never gave up. He never cheated, never cheated the game, bet on some baseball games when he was a manager.
Players like Bonds will make the hall on their first ballot, despite cheating for years and years. All Rose did was bet on some games in which he had no bearing on the outcome, and people want to crucify the guy for it.
Let him be, he's served a longer sentence than some murderers. Let the man in the hall, don't let him coach or manage, and end this already. >>
DITTO. chaz
Test positive or admits he took them??? Either way baseball could do something about it but elects not to. They are probably laughing at how quickly they escaped the public eye and have business back to normal.
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That may very well be true, but until that day comes (and it may come soon), Bonds cannot be disciplined. One of the problems, IMO, is that baseball sorely lacks a true commissioner who is not bound to the owners like Giamatti wasn't, or Fay Vincent after him. One can only imagine how this whole steroids mess would have been handled if MLB had a commissioner with some true autonomy.
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And therein, Ax, lies the problem. He bet on baseball, and if that wasn't bad enough he bet on (or against?) his own team, and if that wasn't enough, he did it from the clubhouse and from the dugout.
Grote, First off, If you believe that then you are falling into the same media trap that has been Pete bashing for years. I find it hard to believe that any dugout has a phone that makes outside calls. It's to the bull pen.
He claimed at the time the timing was "purely coincidental". Bullsh1t. And low class all the way
I'm sure a book writer has input as to when a book is released but ultimitely the publisher releases the book.
Pete has done nothing but alienate those that sought to help him by his won behavior (Just ask Mike Schmidt).
Mike Schmidt still publicly supports Pete.
He's sold off almost every meaningful piece of baseball memorabilia for pure profit, including World Series rings, bats, gloves, significant balls, etc
It's his stuff to do with what he pleases. If he wants to pile it in his front yard and set it on fire then he can do it. Don't blame gambling on that. How many former athlete's memoribilia has/ will end up at auction?
My last point is this: What happens when Barry, Sammy, Mark etc get voted into the hall and then come out many years later and admit to using steroids? I have no argument that what Pete did was wrong but what he accomplished on the field holds much more relevance to me then all the records set/ broken by the above mention player due to the fact that until they are proven clean/dirty then there will be a cloud over them. Pete bet on baseball, but none of his records were gained by cheating. I think that has a bigger impact on the game then Pete betting on the game. I also don't justify Pete with the argument that there are worse people in the HOF now. Wrong is wrong. I justify it by saying he has paid the price, now let's reinstate him. Just my opinion.
Red
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<< <i>And therein, Ax, lies the problem. He bet on baseball, and if that wasn't bad enough he bet on (or against?) his own team, and if that wasn't enough, he did it from the clubhouse and from the dugout.
Grote, First off, If you believe that then you are falling into the same media trap that has been Pete bashing for years. I find it hard to believe that any dugout has a phone that makes outside calls. It's to the bull pen.
He claimed at the time the timing was "purely coincidental". Bullsh1t. And low class all the way
I'm sure a book writer has input as to when a book is released but ultimitely the publisher releases the book.
Pete has done nothing but alienate those that sought to help him by his won behavior (Just ask Mike Schmidt).
Mike Schmidt still publicly supports Pete.
He's sold off almost every meaningful piece of baseball memorabilia for pure profit, including World Series rings, bats, gloves, significant balls, etc
It's his stuff to do with what he pleases. If he wants to pile it in his front yard and set it on fire then he can do it. Don't blame gambling on that. How many former athlete's memoribilia has/ will end up at auction?
My last point is this: What happens when Barry, Sammy, Mark etc get voted into the hall and then come out many years later and admit to using steroids? I have no argument that what Pete did was wrong but what he accomplished on the field holds much more relevance to me then all the records set/ broken by the above mention player due to the fact that until they are proven clean/dirty then there will be a cloud over them. Pete bet on baseball, but none of his records were gained by cheating. I think that has a bigger impact on the game then Pete betting on the game. I also don't justify Pete with the argument that there are worse people in the HOF now. Wrong is wrong. I justify it by saying he has paid the price, now let's reinstate him. Just my opinion.
Red >>
DITTO. chaz
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Ditto, grote15.
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<< <i>He never cheated, never cheated the game, bet on some baseball games when he was a manager.
And therein, Ax, lies the problem. He bet on baseball, and if that wasn't bad enough he bet on (or against?) his own team, and if that wasn't enough, he did it from the clubhouse and from the dugout.
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Were you in the dugout, and we didn't know about it? He's never been proven guilty of betting on his own team, just on baseball in general. And again, please tell me how that affects what he did on the field?
<< <i>If there's one thing that is absolutely taboo in baseball, it's gambling on the game, especially if you are involved in the outcome of that game. Pete did that and was appropriately punished.
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Please tell me how he was involved in the outcome of the game in his betting? I am willing to bet you have NO idea what you're talking about, just vomiting the same tired crap that the media has been rehashing for years. Please tell me that you think a manager could adversely affect the outcome of games without being noticed.
<< <i>As I said before, the only reason that Pete Rose is not in the HOF is because of Pete Rose. He sabotaged every effort to reinstate him, and basically thumbed his nose at the HOF by releasing his book on the weekend of the HOF inductions. He claimed at the time the timing was "purely coincidental". Bullsh1t. And low class all the way. >>
So what if he did? He's got clowns like you who think that Rose owes the game something, when, in fact, baseball owes HIM. He gave 20+ years of his life to the game he loved, and it turned its back on him. He's got every right to be pissed and take that anger out anyway he sees fit. 'every effort to reinstate' him? uhmmm what efforts might that be? There have been NO efforts whatsoever.
<< <i>I'm not saying Pete doesn't deserve to be in the Hall based on his career records and how he played the game of baseball. There's no doubt that he was one of the greatest players of all time. However, you can't help a guy who refuses to help himself, and Pete has done nothing but alienate those that sought to help him by his won behavior (Just ask Mike Schmidt). >>
Again, it sounds like you are one of those who wants to see the hit king begging forgiveness for something he's already served a 20 year sentence for. It's time to reinstate him, get him in the hall, and make sure he's not able to coach or manage. Why do you want to see him reduced to begging?
<< <i>Would you welcome back a guy that continually thumbed his nose at you? I doubt it. Pete's only concern now is making money, ostensibly to support whatever endeavors he may now be involved in. He's sold off almost every meaningful piece of baseball memorabilia for pure profit, including World Series rings, bats, gloves, significant balls, etc. Sorry, Ax, but if you think Pete signed those hundreds of balls out of the goodness of his heart, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I even heard that Pete's now cashing in before the auction houses by offering the balls up for sale on his web site. Sad. >>
Those balls didn't get to the auction house via Rose...perhaps if you read the news instead of having it force fed to you second and third hand, you'd know that. Those balls went to the auction house without his knowledge. But then, since you seem to know everything about Rose and what he's done, I am sure you knew that, didn't you?
And so what if he's sold off every piece of his history? It's HIS to do with as he pleases. Shall we hold in contempt every pro athlete who's ever sold off their rings, their ties to the game? Look on ebay, check the auction houses, that stuff gets sold off ALL the time. Sorry to burst your bubble, just because you think they should keep it, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to cash in.