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Wisconsin high/low leaf quarter pops.
joeyuk
Posts: 3,282
I was updating some info and thought I would share.
pops. 3/12/05
PCGS
..................58.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf......1......15....232...98.......8.......0
low leaf........0......25...425...139.....5.......1
NGC
...................64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf.......3.......7.......7.....22.......6
low leaf........3......27.....50......8.......0
pops.3/22/05
PCGS
...................58.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf.......1.....0........21....280...114....11......0
low leaf........0.....4........40....521...172.....11.....1
NGC
...................64.....65....66.....67.....68
high leaf.......3......7.....13.....26.......6
low leaf........5.....31....54......8........0
pops. 4/2/05
PCGS
..................58.....62.....63.....64......65.....66....67
high leaf.....1......3.......22.....303....137..16......0
low leaf......0......4.......42.....546....197..12......1
NGC
.................64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf...31.....190...378...253.....7
low leaf....11.......69...103....51......0
pops. 4/11/05
PCGS
.................58.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf....6.......4......38.....353...155....18.....0
low leaf.....0.......4......54.....611....217....14....1
NGC
.................64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf...31.....190...378..253......7
low leaf....11......69....103...51.......0
pops. 7/14/05
PCGS
.....................58.....61.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf.......13.....0.......16.....81.....567...275...32.....0
low leaf........11.....6.......11....107....922...370...24.....1
NGC
....................55.....58.....61.....62.....63.......64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf.......1.......5.......1.......8......17.....164...494...508...277......7
high leaf(PL)..............................................3.......12......9........1........
low leaf.................9.......1.......5......14.....205...520...378....70........
low leaf(PL)...............................................1........1.......3........1........
Pops. 12/03/05
PCGS
.................55.....58.....61.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf....5......33......0......35.....123...694...320....33......0
low leaf...10.....19......7......55.....164..1127..403....26......1
NGC
....................55.....58.....61.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf.......8.......27......5.....22.....34.....368..861....723...301.....8
high leaf pl...0.........0......0......0........0.......4......15.......18......1.....0
low leaf........2.......35......5.....11......43....453...1035...634...91.....1
low leaf pl....0.........0......0.......0.......0.......2.......15.......9........1.....0
totals:
high leaf=3638
low leaf=4149
Pops. 9/17/06
PCGS
................53......55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63.....64......65.....66...67
high leaf...1.......18.....62.......0.......3.....80.....218...895....514...65....1
low leaf...0.......20.....61.......0.......9.....105...262...1482..663...77....1
NGC
.....................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63.....64.....65......66......67.....68
high leaf........1......16.....79.......1.....14.....55.....96.....539...1335..1034..329....8
high leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0.......4.......16.....20.......1......0
low leaf .......0........7.....78.......0.....14.....52.....122...744...1853...1402..300...2
low leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0.......5........16.....13......1......0
Totals
high leaf =5405
low leaf =7289
Pops.3/2/07
PCGS
................53......55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63..........64......65.....66...67
high leaf...3.......34....100......1.......4.....111.....240...1034....591...74....1
low leaf.....3.......29.....95.......1.......9.....131...300.....1631....794...89....2
NGC
.......................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf........1......17.....95.......1.....17.....65....108....591...1445..1132..338......8
high leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0...........5.......16.....21.......1........0
low leaf .......0........10....105.....0.....17.....61.....138.....804...1998...1513..319.....2
low leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0...........5........17.....15.......1........0
Totals
High Leaf=6054
Low Leaf=8089
3/14/07
ANACS
.......................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf.....................................12....11.....17......29.....85....156......82......6..........
high leaf pl....................................................1.......1.......2........2.............................
low leaf .....................................15....12.....32......34.....153...313.....145....7...........
low leaf pl...................................................................................1..............................
TOTALS:
ANACS+PCGS+NGC
high leaf=6484
low leaf=8832
pops.3/17/08
PCGS
..................50......53......55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63..........64......65.....66...67
high leaf.......2......5.......41....129......1......21.....135.....273...1099....572....91....2
low leaf................3.......32....115.......1.....18.....161.....342...1752....921...123....3
NGC
.......................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf........2......24.....112.......1.....18.....71....121....625...1545..1196..339......8
high leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......1...........5.......17.....21.......1........0
low leaf .......1........18....142.....0.....17.....73.....148.....857...2154...1642..322.....2
low leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0...........5........17.....15.......1........0
ANACS
.......................50......53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf...........1........3.......9.......27....18.....13......19.....30.....90.....161.....82.......6..
high leaf pl................................................................1.......1.......2........2.....................
low leaf .....................2.......6.......33....20.....13......37......41...162.....320..146........7...
low leaf pl..............................................................................................1.................
TOTALS:
ANACS+PCGS+NGC
high leaf=7068
low leaf=9693
pops.7/05/08
PCGS
..................50......53......55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63..........64......65.....66...67
high leaf.......2......5.......42....132......1......21.....135.....274...1109....681....99....2
low leaf................3.......32....119.......1.....18.....161.....345...1754....932...128....3
NGC
.......................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf........2......25.....112.......1.....18.....72....122....634...1561..1211..339......8
high leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......1...........6.......17.....22.......1........0
low leaf .......1........19....146.....0.....17.....75.....148.....862...2195...1683..322.....2
low leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0...........5........18.....15.......1........0
ANACS ***************ANACS numbers identical to last update.***************
.......................50......53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf...........1........3.......9.......27....18.....13......19.....30.....90.....161.....82.......6..
high leaf pl................................................................1.......1.......2........2.....................
low leaf .....................2.......6.......33....20.....13......37......41...162.....320..146........7...
low leaf pl..............................................................................................1.................
TOTALS:
ANACS+PCGS+NGC
high leaf=7144
low leaf=9813
pops. 3/12/05
PCGS
..................58.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf......1......15....232...98.......8.......0
low leaf........0......25...425...139.....5.......1
NGC
...................64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf.......3.......7.......7.....22.......6
low leaf........3......27.....50......8.......0
pops.3/22/05
PCGS
...................58.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf.......1.....0........21....280...114....11......0
low leaf........0.....4........40....521...172.....11.....1
NGC
...................64.....65....66.....67.....68
high leaf.......3......7.....13.....26.......6
low leaf........5.....31....54......8........0
pops. 4/2/05
PCGS
..................58.....62.....63.....64......65.....66....67
high leaf.....1......3.......22.....303....137..16......0
low leaf......0......4.......42.....546....197..12......1
NGC
.................64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf...31.....190...378...253.....7
low leaf....11.......69...103....51......0
pops. 4/11/05
PCGS
.................58.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf....6.......4......38.....353...155....18.....0
low leaf.....0.......4......54.....611....217....14....1
NGC
.................64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf...31.....190...378..253......7
low leaf....11......69....103...51.......0
pops. 7/14/05
PCGS
.....................58.....61.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf.......13.....0.......16.....81.....567...275...32.....0
low leaf........11.....6.......11....107....922...370...24.....1
NGC
....................55.....58.....61.....62.....63.......64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf.......1.......5.......1.......8......17.....164...494...508...277......7
high leaf(PL)..............................................3.......12......9........1........
low leaf.................9.......1.......5......14.....205...520...378....70........
low leaf(PL)...............................................1........1.......3........1........
Pops. 12/03/05
PCGS
.................55.....58.....61.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67
high leaf....5......33......0......35.....123...694...320....33......0
low leaf...10.....19......7......55.....164..1127..403....26......1
NGC
....................55.....58.....61.....62.....63.....64.....65.....66.....67.....68
high leaf.......8.......27......5.....22.....34.....368..861....723...301.....8
high leaf pl...0.........0......0......0........0.......4......15.......18......1.....0
low leaf........2.......35......5.....11......43....453...1035...634...91.....1
low leaf pl....0.........0......0.......0.......0.......2.......15.......9........1.....0
totals:
high leaf=3638
low leaf=4149
Pops. 9/17/06
PCGS
................53......55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63.....64......65.....66...67
high leaf...1.......18.....62.......0.......3.....80.....218...895....514...65....1
low leaf...0.......20.....61.......0.......9.....105...262...1482..663...77....1
NGC
.....................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63.....64.....65......66......67.....68
high leaf........1......16.....79.......1.....14.....55.....96.....539...1335..1034..329....8
high leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0.......4.......16.....20.......1......0
low leaf .......0........7.....78.......0.....14.....52.....122...744...1853...1402..300...2
low leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0.......5........16.....13......1......0
Totals
high leaf =5405
low leaf =7289
Pops.3/2/07
PCGS
................53......55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63..........64......65.....66...67
high leaf...3.......34....100......1.......4.....111.....240...1034....591...74....1
low leaf.....3.......29.....95.......1.......9.....131...300.....1631....794...89....2
NGC
.......................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf........1......17.....95.......1.....17.....65....108....591...1445..1132..338......8
high leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0...........5.......16.....21.......1........0
low leaf .......0........10....105.....0.....17.....61.....138.....804...1998...1513..319.....2
low leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0...........5........17.....15.......1........0
Totals
High Leaf=6054
Low Leaf=8089
3/14/07
ANACS
.......................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf.....................................12....11.....17......29.....85....156......82......6..........
high leaf pl....................................................1.......1.......2........2.............................
low leaf .....................................15....12.....32......34.....153...313.....145....7...........
low leaf pl...................................................................................1..............................
TOTALS:
ANACS+PCGS+NGC
high leaf=6484
low leaf=8832
pops.3/17/08
PCGS
..................50......53......55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63..........64......65.....66...67
high leaf.......2......5.......41....129......1......21.....135.....273...1099....572....91....2
low leaf................3.......32....115.......1.....18.....161.....342...1752....921...123....3
NGC
.......................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf........2......24.....112.......1.....18.....71....121....625...1545..1196..339......8
high leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......1...........5.......17.....21.......1........0
low leaf .......1........18....142.....0.....17.....73.....148.....857...2154...1642..322.....2
low leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0...........5........17.....15.......1........0
ANACS
.......................50......53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf...........1........3.......9.......27....18.....13......19.....30.....90.....161.....82.......6..
high leaf pl................................................................1.......1.......2........2.....................
low leaf .....................2.......6.......33....20.....13......37......41...162.....320..146........7...
low leaf pl..............................................................................................1.................
TOTALS:
ANACS+PCGS+NGC
high leaf=7068
low leaf=9693
pops.7/05/08
PCGS
..................50......53......55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63..........64......65.....66...67
high leaf.......2......5.......42....132......1......21.....135.....274...1109....681....99....2
low leaf................3.......32....119.......1.....18.....161.....345...1754....932...128....3
NGC
.......................53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf........2......25.....112.......1.....18.....72....122....634...1561..1211..339......8
high leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......1...........6.......17.....22.......1........0
low leaf .......1........19....146.....0.....17.....75.....148.....862...2195...1683..322.....2
low leaf pl....0........0.......0.......0......0........0.......0...........5........18.....15.......1........0
ANACS ***************ANACS numbers identical to last update.***************
.......................50......53.....55.....58.....60.....61.....62.....63......64......65......66......67.....68
high leaf...........1........3.......9.......27....18.....13......19.....30.....90.....161.....82.......6..
high leaf pl................................................................1.......1.......2........2.....................
low leaf .....................2.......6.......33....20.....13......37......41...162.....320..146........7...
low leaf pl..............................................................................................1.................
TOTALS:
ANACS+PCGS+NGC
high leaf=7144
low leaf=9813
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Comments
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
<< <i>
Totals
high leaf =5405
low leaf =7289 >>
The published estimates were: High Leaf 3,000 to 5,500 coins, Low Leaf 5,500 to 8,000 coins. So, ignoring resubmissions (which IMO probably aren't too many; if you make one of these, why bother to resubmit it?), the totals certified by PCGS and NGC now total up to almost the high estimate for each variety. This also ignores ANACS and all of the other services. Looks to me like the published estimates are too low.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>
<< <i>
Totals
high leaf =5405
low leaf =7289 >>
The published estimates were: High Leaf 3,000 to 5,500 coins, Low Leaf 5,500 to 8,000 coins. So, ignoring resubmissions (which IMO probably aren't too many; if you make one of these, why bother to resubmit it?), the totals certified by PCGS and NGC now total up to almost the high estimate for each variety. This also ignores ANACS and all of the other services. Looks to me like the published estimates are too low. >>
I suspect the published estimates on coins always tend to be too low and
this applies especially to moderns.
These coins were very well struck compared to most coins coming out now.
One would almost think more care was taken with them than other coins.
I'm surprised of the large increase from July to Sept.
That's a lot of 65's and 66's for a coin that has be out for so long.
I wonder where are they finding these at???
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>More will probably show up. Ithink they are a little overpriced and doubt if they are really necessary to complete a SHQ collection. JMHO >>
There are a very large number of states quarter collectors and not very many
need to feel they are a part of the set to make these mintages appear very
tiny. These are also a couple of the most interesting varieties to come out of
the US mint since the 19th century. This will cause even a few people who
don't collect states coins to want them.
There will be more getting slabbed but at this point the number available is be-
ginning to become apparent. I'm not nearly so sure they're overpriced. There
is a strong tendency for this kind of coin to start of slow and just keep growing.
<< <i>I know the dealer who owns one of the PCGS MS67's, (and a truckload of the MS66's). He's sitting on that puppy waiting for it to become his retirement plan.
Russ, NCNE >>
Hmmmm...... Vancouver ?
Ken
For the record, I still live just North of San Antonio, Tx and the local dealers are not able to buy either variety of the Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters anymore from walk in customers. That fact is very important. I think that most of the hoards of these Extra Leaf Quarters have been submitted to the major TPG Companies. The weekly population increases of both quarter varieties is somewhat stable or headed down. I have no idea how many coins that are recorded have been submitted to other TPG Companys or were regraded.
I truly believe that there were no more than 20,000 total minted of both varieties and the Extra Low leaf coin represents about 70% of that total. The US Treasury's OIG office admitted that a Denver pressman stopped the production for awhile of the Extra High Leaf Variety !!
I will share what I know about these rare quarters with any forum member via a PM.
These Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters are the real thing and will not simply disappear over time. Please read Pages 220 - 222 of the latest Cherrypickers' Guide. They state that they "Love These Coins" !!
If you think about a previous message here concerning the up tick of the NGC Extra Leaf Quarters since the middle of 2006, I will state that I am a NGC dealer and on Monday, May 1, 2006 I submitted in person all of my raw Wisconsin Extar Leaf Quarters as a bulk submission. I have no intention of selling our recently certified coins on any quantity basis. I would like to go on record as stating that all you have to do is to look at how "Generous" NGC graders were with the MS 67 and MS 68 designations early on in 2005 and believe me that had tightened up severely by the second half of 2006 !! I would say that a June, 2006 NGC high grade Extra Leaf Quarter might well cross over to the same grade with PCGS. That is simply my opinion and not a fact.
It is my aim to share information to coin collectors and investors as to the rarity and significance. Arizonia dealers and Bob Ford's family have my deepest appreciation for announcing and marketing these scarce varities. At some point in time, the other part of the Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarter Story, that being the many experiences of finding /buying these coins here in the South Texas area will be documented. Until then, I would suggest seriouly consider owning a set of these quarters and not get to sidetracked with the 40-50 different MN "P" and "D" and now "S" double struck error quarters. Not to mention the recently discovered Oregon DDR Quarter that was just found. The Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters have at least withstood the test of time. Sincerely, Mark Smith.
take time to see which ones get the demand and the relative populations.
It's a safe bet that many of these will be much more common than the WI's.
Since the NGC-MS67 coins are worth roughly a few thousand dollars per coin and the PCGS-MS67 coins MANY MULTIPLES of that right now, why would anyone not just cross them then (not to mention that a coin croosed to PCGS-MS68 would be worth "moon money")? I like the high/low leaf quarters myself, but, honestly, when one of the "holy grails" of doubled dies Wash quarters (ex: the 1943(p) DDO in finest known PCGS grade of MS63 with less than a half dozen or so MS coins known to even exist) is now worth far less than a PCGS-MS67 WI error quarter (with 300+ MS67 & 8 MS68's at NGC alone) - there is something not right with that picture - no?
Wondercoin
Joeyuk: Thanks also for the updated pops. If HighLowLeaves' submission is responsible for all the jump in NGC pops, that's a lot of coins! For all of 2005 there was an error in NGC's pop data as they did not report sets on an individual basis. I think they fixed it along the line and the pops jumped as a result. I would like to enlist you to write or supply info for pop survey chapter in my book. Are you interested? The book is somewhat of a group effort, so I want to spread the credit around.
Russ: You said -
I know the dealer who owns one of the PCGS MS67's, (and a truckload of the MS66's). He's sitting on that puppy waiting for it to become his retirement plan. I know the two owners of the MS-67's and they are not dealers. Is your info confirmed? Please PM me specifics, so I can update my records. I personally have placed about 2/3's of the PCGS MS-66's and I don't know of any hoards of these either.
<< <i>Russ: You said -
I know the dealer who owns one of the PCGS MS67's, (and a truckload of the MS66's). He's sitting on that puppy waiting for it to become his retirement plan. I know the two owners of the MS-67's and they are not dealers. Is your info confirmed? Please PM me specifics, so I can update my records. I personally have placed about 2/3's of the PCGS MS-66's and I don't know of any hoards of these either. >>
This is confirmed.
I know the dealer also and he made the latest 67, which I believe he still has, with a bunch of 66, 65 and some 64 coins. You might check the PCGS cert numbers between 11115679 thru 11115778. Also you might watch Ebay to confirm what Russ and I have said.
A thread was here a few months ago and I put my 2 bits worth in saying the pops would change dramatically because a dealer had submitted a 100 coin submission. A few said Yea Right. Well it happened didn't it and that submission was from the dealer that I have known for over 20 years and the dealer that Russ seems to know also.
Personally I do not think the state quarter is his retirement plan....
Cheers.
Ken
Morgan, modern sets, circulated Kennedys, and Wisconsin error leaf quarter Collector
First (and only - so far) Official "You Suck" Award from Russ 2/9/07
<< <i> know the dealer who owns one of the PCGS MS67's, (and a truckload of the MS66's). He's sitting on that puppy waiting for it to become his retirement plan. I know the two owners of the MS-67's and they are not dealers. Is your info confirmed? >>
Not only is it confirmed, he listed the coin on eBay a while back with a very high opening bid to see what kind of action it would generate. He did a bulk submission of 100 of them, and that's where the coin came from. I can't remember, though, if it's a high leaf or a low leaf. He also thinks a few of his MS66's should be in MS67 holders so those are put back for a while.
Russ, NCNE
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Rick: I have owned the MS67 Low Leaf from the time the coin was slabbed by a collector on a small submission batch and sold to me via the BST board (a number of years ago and only after a fellow board member/state quarter collector beat me to the coin (we joke about that still from time to time) , but passed because he thought it was being offered at too high an asking price). But, you can see from my comments on this thread that I was surely not "bidding up to $50k to $75k" to buy the other coin (high leaf MS67) - in fact, I wouldn't be interested in the coin too much above where the Price Guide presently sits ($9,000) and then, only to pair them up (although I do believe the Price Guide could comfortably move to $15,000 on the pop 1/0 coins without much debate if Jamie ever felt like it). I believe I probably have the finest PCGS collection of Silver Wash quarter varieties (yet unregistered) and the low leaf MS67 coin is a great addition to the set (once PCGS adds the coin if they chose to do so for a 1932-date Wash quarter variety set and/or a state quarter variety set ). But, there are true rarities in that series (like the Choice MS 1943(p) DDO I mentioned earlier or the pop 1/0 1950D/S in PCGS-MS67 or pop 2/0 1937 DDO PCGS-MS66) and IMHO the MS67 high/low leaf quarters simply are not in that league (but, I do cherish the low leaf piece). They are "keys" to the state quarter series though and your book should benefit the state quarter series overall as well. If you need a scan of the PCGS-MS67 Low Leaf for your book just let me know and I can have PCGS forward you their pictures after I drop the coin off there.
Wondercoin
<< <i>Oh, OK, I guess some people you think are collectors, turn out to be dealers. My mistake. I guess we were talking about the same person after all. >>
Huh ? Steve has been a dealer for close to 25 years. He also has the collecting bug which it seems in this area a few dealers have.
Now if I could just pry some of those raw coins away from him.
Ken
<< <i>I'm surprised of the large increase from July to Sept.
That's a lot of 65's and 66's for a coin that has be out for so long.
I wonder where are they finding these at??? >>
I'm responsible for two -65's...one high leaf and one low leaf. I had NGC put the two varieties plus a -66 normal quarter in a multi- coin holder. I submitted these coins at the Denver ANA Money Show. I found the MS-66 normal in the Budget section of the show for 86 cents. I got the set today. Photos to follow. Pleased!
I got the two leaf varieties early on in February and March of 2005 off of ebay.
Russ, NCNE
I beleive that time is quickly running out to acquire a nice high grade set for a reasomable price. More articles and books on the subject will most certainly be printed in the future which will add to their interest !!
For some reason, I haven't gotten excited about all of the MN P DDR quarters. I did find some BU MN P DDO Quarters which maybe the first DDO State Quarters discovered. It is great to simply collect the State Quarters and have varieties to boot !!
<< <i>The superlative write up in the latest Cherrypickers' Guide discussing the scarce Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters will do nothing but provide more credence as to the collectability of these modern day rarities !! Please see Pages 220 - 222 in the latest Guide. In conclusion, the Cherrypickers' Guide said that they "Loved the Extra Leaf Wisconsin D State Quarters".
I beleive that time is quickly running out to acquire a nice high grade set for a reasomable price. More articles and books on the subject will most certainly be printed in the future which will add to their interest !!
For some reason, I haven't gotten excited about all of the MN P DDR quarters. I did find some BU MN P DDO Quarters which maybe the first DDO State Quarters discovered. It is great to simply collect the State Quarters and have varieties to boot !! >>
It is an excellent writeup. I just got my copy today and am very pleased with the overall quality
of the book. It will be even better as more of the significant varieties are added and there are
some typos but it is a great book and will be a great boost to the interest in varieties.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
Sure, there are rarer varieties. But the interest factor of the Extra leaf WI Quarters rates a *****+. Part of the glamor is that it is not yout typical die variety. It has yet to be explained in the press, but that is coming very soon. Everyone knows how doubled dies and repunched dates occur, these remain a mystery to most collectors. In my mind mysteries = collector interest.
Rick: Agreed. I got a call from the PCGS Price Guide Editor the other day asking me if I recently sold my low leaf PCGS-MS67 quarter as he had information that it was being offered by someone else at this time at "$85,000" for immediate delivery. Perhaps this other guy simply figures if he finds someone for the coin, he can quickly call me up and ask me if I would take $75,000 for it
Wondercoin
According to my records there wasn't any second bidder.
All I can say, at this point is:
Boy was that stupid
Greg
<< <i>Wondercoin, Thanks for the useful and clarifying information. There is so much rumor and inuendo and out and out lies (remember that bag of Extra Leaves that was supposed to have shown up in Ohio!) I appreciate you clearing that up.
Sure, there are rarer varieties. But the interest factor of the Extra leaf WI Quarters rates a *****+. Part of the glamor is that it is not yout typical die variety. It has yet to be explained in the press, but that is coming very soon. Everyone knows how doubled dies and repunched dates occur, these remain a mystery to most collectors. In my mind mysteries = collector interest. >>
Not only is it not your everyday die variety but it is virtually a different design or type. It
wasn't officially made but what does that really matter. It's unofficial origins also added to
its mystique and the controversy when it was discovered. The publicity in the main stream
press just served to fan the flames and cause the pot to be further stirred while interest
roiled over.
It's not difficult to think even collectors with no interest in doubled dies or rotated reverses
might consider these "different designs" to be part of a complete collection.
Demand for these could be quite great and it's well past time that it's reasonable to think
more might show up. There are none on the ocean floor or in a warehouse somewhere. This
is almost certainly all there are.
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Hi notlogical,
The next time you run into your friend at your coin club meeting who has all the "cheap" Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters, Please tell him that there is a semi-retired South Texas coin collector who paid $200 way back in 1963 for a "common" 1955 Doubled Die Lincoln Penny in order to complete that teenager's hard earned 1909 - present Penny Set would like your "friend" to start linning his genuine Wisconsin Extra Leaf State Quarters up in a line from Nebraska all the way to Marion, Tx. Tell this "Sharp Cookie" that there is some serious money sitting in a large pot of gold here in Texas for all his common $25each coins !!!! If he doesn't beleive you, then give him my name and phone number. Keep up the good fight. You will win the battle of unbelievers over time !! Sincerely, Mark Smith. Ph: 830 560-1205.
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The collecting community is what dictates the price of these coins. If enough people want them then the prices go up. If nobody wants them then the prices go down. Pure and simple. Current prices indicate that a LOT of people want these! My but's still sore for selling my 64's! Ha ha ha
As far the guy at the coin club goes, just ignore him unless he can provide you with a graded extra leaf for $75. It would be a nice profit for this jerk and a windfall for you!
Hang in there!
The name is LEE!
Box of 20
<< <i>Well I took the plunge and bought the high and low leaf in NGC MS 66. >>
I think in a few years, you'll be very glad you did. I bought an NGC MS65 set from Rick Snow back when he was selling them.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
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<< <i>I'm sittin on a couple of sealed mint boxes of Wisconsin rolls. Anyone know if a particular production number or date is any indicator of high/low leaf? >>
Apparently they don't show up in any of these boxes or from any source except the jumbo
bags which were shipped to the TX and AZ areas. Some of these could have been placed
in $500 bank boxes by private parties though. It's really starting to look like they are all
accounted for, though I can't explain why there are some 1800 high leaf varieties "missing".
I keep thinking it would be a nice companion to my other Wi. variety in ms64.
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I did purchase several $500 face value boxes of WI D state quarters that were wrapped by Brinks in San Antonio, Tx from Frost Bank in downtown San Antonio. Many of the boxes were dated mid December, 2004. Several Extra Leaf Quarters were discovered. The ratio of High Leaf to Low Leaf was almost 50/50 !! This was contrary to the Tucson, AZ find which produced almost two Low Leaf Quarters to every High Leaf Quarter. Question... When was the last time you saw any Arizonia Coin Dealers offering single High Leaf Quarters ???? I beleive that the long-term senario is taking shape Big Time !! Namely, the High Leaf Wisconsin Quarters will be in much greater demand in any condition in the near future !! There will be two well written books published soon that will highlight these scarce modern day State Quarter Varieties.
I have held back from offering many of our Extra Leaf Quarters until all the MS quarters are graded. So far, I have submitted some to NGC, PCGS and ANACS. I live within 60 miles of ANACS. They are great people to work with. I just trust that their recently graded coins are appreciated more in the future. The Wisconsin varieties are young in the market place but are gaining acceptance daily !!
Mark.
<< <i> At that time, I doubt that only a couple of people knew that they were being distributed by the Federal Reserve Branch here in San Antonio, Tx. at that time. Two to three weeks later, the entire world knew that they might find some in the San Antonio and Austin, Tx area. But only for a short period of time. >>
Fortunately for me I was one of them. Thanks.
For a period of time there was a discussion of some being found in Missouri, but I think you and I know, that discussion may have been about me. Thanks again.
I am not saying that I know that for a fact but I have not found any in circulation here, all mine came from the box I purchased from you. I am still kicking myself for not buying two of them when you offered them to me.
I am sure you are still kicking yourself for selling me any.
As you said in the previous post my box ran about 50/50 for high and low leaves.
<< <i>I have no idea how many coins that are recorded have been submitted to other TPG Companys or were regraded. >>
I have not had any of mine regraded yet, but have been looking at a couple of 63's that somebody obviously misgraded. They had to be smoking something at the time.
<< <i>These Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters are the real thing and will not simply disappear over time. Please read Pages 220 - 222 of the latest Cherrypickers' Guide. They state that they "Love These Coins" !! >>
Me too. I think they have excellent eye appeal due to the placement of the leaves regardless of the cause.
<< <i>If you think about a previous message here concerning the up tick of the NGC Extra Leaf Quarters since the middle of 2006, I will state that I am a NGC dealer and on Monday, May 1, 2006 I submitted in person all of my raw Wisconsin Extar Leaf Quarters as a bulk submission. >>
I saw that jump and thought/hoped it might be you. It appears you did quite well in the quanity found and the grades recieved.
<< <i>It is my aim to share information to coin collectors and investors as to the rarity and significance. Arizonia dealers and Bob Ford's family have my deepest appreciation for announcing and marketing these scarce varities. >>
I couldn't agree more.
<< <i>At some point in time, the other part of the Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarter Story, that being the many experiences of finding /buying these coins here in the South Texas area will be documented. >>
I could probably write one of these chapters, but I am affraid the pages on your copy would be unreadable from crying when you read it.
Thanks again Mark.
Scott
<< <i>Hi, Mark
<< <i> At that time, I doubt that only a couple of people knew that they were being distributed by the Federal Reserve Branch here in San Antonio, Tx. at that time. Two to three weeks later, the entire world knew that they might find some in the San Antonio and Austin, Tx area. But only for a short period of time. >>
Fortunately for me I was one of them. Thanks.
For a period of time there was a discussion of some being found in Missouri, but I think you and I know, that discussion may have been about me. Thanks again.
I am not saying that I know that for a fact but I have not found any in circulation here, all mine came from the box I purchased from you. I am still kicking myself for not buying two of them when you offered them to me.
I am sure you are still kicking yourself for selling me any.
As you said in the previous post my box ran about 50/50 for high and low leaves.
<< <i>I have no idea how many coins that are recorded have been submitted to other TPG Companys or were regraded. >>
I have not had any of mine regraded yet, but have been looking at a couple of 63's that somebody obviously misgraded. They had to be smoking something at the time.
<< <i>These Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters are the real thing and will not simply disappear over time. Please read Pages 220 - 222 of the latest Cherrypickers' Guide. They state that they "Love These Coins" !! >>
Me too. I think they have excellent eye appeal due to the placement of the leaves regardless of the cause.
<< <i>If you think about a previous message here concerning the up tick of the NGC Extra Leaf Quarters since the middle of 2006, I will state that I am a NGC dealer and on Monday, May 1, 2006 I submitted in person all of my raw Wisconsin Extar Leaf Quarters as a bulk submission. >>
I saw that jump and thought/hoped it might be you. It appears you did quite well in the quanity found and the grades recieved.
<< <i>It is my aim to share information to coin collectors and investors as to the rarity and significance. Arizonia dealers and Bob Ford's family have my deepest appreciation for announcing and marketing these scarce varities. >>
I couldn't agree more.
<< <i>At some point in time, the other part of the Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarter Story, that being the many experiences of finding /buying these coins here in the South Texas area will be documented. >>
I could probably write one of these chapters, but I am affraid the pages on your copy would be unreadable from crying when you read it.
Thanks again Mark.
Scott >>
Welcome aboard Retirementcoins.
It was important to the future of these coins that they got as wide a distribution as
possible. There are many reasons for this but varieties that are largely snapped up
by only a few individuals tend to take many years to become popular. This is proba-
bly much of the reason the '82-NMM dime hasn't been more popular. Initially there
were huge hordes of this coin and this stifled the demand. If any demand did show
up it would be buried by one of the hordes. Apparently these are mostly dispersed
now.
Th WI quarters were already being scattered when the find was announced and many
people were able to get some examples. They were also released at about the perfect
time to capture public attention.
Thank you for the kind words. It was always a pleasure to do business with you. Scott, because I had sold you the box of BU Wisconsin D Quarters that was loaded with Extra Leaf Quarters, the thought kept me interested in acquiring more boxes of coins and outright purchasing the varieties in the open market. The future will be bright for both of us !!
Then, the Speared Bison Nickel benefited both of us again !! I am still looking for the third great find !!
It is almost impossible for me to purchase raw BU Wisconsin Extra Leaf State Quarters here in South Texas anymore !! They are simply not coming into the local coin shops !!
Scott, have a great day !!
Sincerely, Mark Smith.
Again, if anyone that is interested in the Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters cares to, please go back to the initial message on this thread. Compare the high percentage of MS 67 and MS 68 High and Low Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters that NGC graded from March, 2005 through say, September, 2005 to the current NGC Census counts. In the beginning, NGC was awarding 27% of the High Leaf Quarters with a MS 67 grade. When I had mine graded in May/June , 2006 their MS 67s have gone down to 3% !!!! That is what you call TIGHTENING !!!
My point is, one must buy the coin and not the holder !! I almost want to know what date a person submitted their NGC graded quarters !!! This sounds harsh but it is reality !!
<< <i>Then, the Speared Bison Nickel benefited both of us again !! I am still looking for the third great find !! >>
Just my opinion but I think it is the 'Close AM" 99 proof Lincoln. Populations are extremely low right now but I am sure the sets are out there that have them.
I think the populations are less than 200 for both major services. They are way less interesting than the WI leaves though, but there is a large Lincoln collector base.
I know, buy the coin and not the holder.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
My sentiments exactly !!!! Some of these TPG Companies should be ashamed of their so called " consistent grading" practices.
For over a year, the grades that most companies gave were consitently very high grades for low grade material. One must state that PCGS has been consistent from the beginning and have held to high grading standards. All of the dealers know that too !! Look at the prices that PCGS graded Exytra High Leaf Wisconsin State Quarters bring!! Once PGGS offers a three coin lense, I will submit some of my recently graded NGC high grade sets to PCGS as a crossover. If several do crossover, then my suspicions will be confirmed. That being, that NGC has greatly TIGHTENED their standards beginning in early to mid, 2006. Someday, I will offer some of our sets of Wisconsin Extra Leaf Quarters at a large coin convention where hopefully they will be well received and collectors can grade the coins and not the plastic !!
May everyone have a great Columbus Holiday tomorrow and each receive their AGE three coin sets Tuesday !!
Mark Smith.
NGC 4152 High 5509 Low NGC totals went down 4 last week !!